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Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:58 pm |
Kassy_A wrote: |
....... I believe it's 2 treatments per week, and the treatment is for 20 minutes per area.. ...... |
One "full" treatment per week.
1. Use Red on day 1
2. Rest on day 2
3. Use Infrared on Day 3
repeat the treatment from day 1 of a new week. If you start on Monday, you wait until the next Monday to use Red again.
What I did was:
Day 1: Red on one side of my face
Day 2: Red on the other side of my face
Day 3: Infrared on one side of my face
Day 4: Infrared on the other side of my face
Repeat the treatment until Day 1 of following week. |
_________________ 53, DermaQuest, NCN Products, PMD, Dermarolling |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:39 am |
This is from Nanci's newsletter:
The DPL has infrared lights, whereas the DermaWave doesn't - infrared light is only good for pain and not for skin rejuvenation. The AmRed 605 color is strictly for skin rejuvenation. Other LEDs that have red and amber lights don't have anywhere near the capability of the DermaWave. Other LEDs have the amber and red lights together - those two colors together do not give you true amber/red lighting (think of mixing two colors together - and what do you get - a third color)! The Dermawave has TRUE amber/red lights, HUGE in terms of skin rejuvenation!
The more I read about LEDs the more confused I get. So, Kassy, what made you purchase the Omnilux when you've been so happy with the AALS? Plus, 20 mins per area makes for a long treatment time.
MACrisis, what is your opinion on the statement that infrared is not for skin rejuvenation? And have you seen any results from using the Omnilux - weren't you using a ProLight before? |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:56 am |
MACrisis wrote: |
Kassy_A wrote: |
....... I believe it's 2 treatments per week, and the treatment is for 20 minutes per area.. ...... |
One "full" treatment per week.
1. Use Red on day 1
2. Rest on day 2
3. Use Infrared on Day 3
repeat the treatment from day 1 of a new week. If you start on Monday, you wait until the next Monday to use Red again.
What I did was:
Day 1: Red on one side of my face
Day 2: Red on the other side of my face
Day 3: Infrared on one side of my face
Day 4: Infrared on the other side of my face
Repeat the treatment until Day 1 of following week. |
MACrisis, what results have you had with the Omnilux?
Kassy, what are you hoping to improve on with the Omnilux? Good luck. I'll be watching for your pictures and review of this device! |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:33 pm |
I hope it will be simpler to use than what MACrisis shared.. Can't you just do a full treatment in one sitting with one wavelength, and then in a few days do the full treatment with the other.. (I use the AALS for an hour, so even if the Omnilux took 2 I'd be willing to do it watching TV.)
I have been thinking about this device for about 6 months.. It was actually Steve from LS who told me back in February that the studies were proving it to be a great device. (I really respect Steve + his company on so many levels..A+ all the way around.. )
I'm still extremely happy with both of my LS devices. They have transformed my skin in 2 years. But my curiosity (and a great ebay deal) just got the better of me, and made the timing perfect to try this LED that I've been pondering for a long while.. And just like all of you, I love my gadgets and I'm always looking for the next great one.
Most of you who really know me well, already know that I'm most responsive when I change things up.. I tend to get in a skin rut when I keep things the same for too long. My feeling is that maybe this LED will give me just that little change from what I'm doing, to perk up the collagen synthesis even more .. I'll never know unless I try. I already know that I'm very positively responsive to LED treatments, so I'm really expecting this LED to work as well, and hopefully even better. My skin is really in fabulous condition, so my only concern is keeping the sag at bay and building more collagen.. Believe me when I tell you, (and I'm sure Keliu will agree), being 59 brings a new sagging dilemma every day, and keeping up with that alone is a miracle of sorts.
One thing is for sure though, if using these specific wavelengths separately (rather than simultaneously as in the AALS), makes a real difference to the results, I will be yelling it loud and clear to all of you..
I haven't used either LS for the past week, and won't get the Omnilux for about 8 days, so my plan is to do it exactly as instructed, using only the topicals included for treatment, and test it for a full 8 weeks.. My thought is that since I am so responsive to LED treatments, I should have a good idea in one skin cycle, if this will be as good or better than the AALS.
I'll take a few 'before' pictures and try to duplicate them at 4 weeks and 8 weeks.. I'm really excited to give this one a try.. (Hopefully it won't wind up in the dead tool graveyard with so many other's.. ) But really, for $125 bucks it's well worth a shot. I actually saw the pack of 9 topicals on Amazon by itself for $145. )
So that's it.. I hope you will all keep your fingers crossed and wish me luck.. As always I'll share the good, the bad or complete f-*k up with my usual bluntness and candor.. |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:28 pm |
Kassy_A wrote: |
So that's it.. I hope you will all keep your fingers crossed and wish me luck.. As always I'll share the good, the bad or complete f-*k up with my usual bluntness and candor.. |
Fingers crossed for you, and can't wait for your review! |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:30 pm |
Yep can't wait to hear how it goes Kassy.
Good luck. |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:46 pm |
Hi All,
I bought the Omnilux about 5 months ago which was about the same time that I started Obagi Nuderm. I've been reluctant to use it while on Obagi -- didn't think the time was right with a red and peely face. However, I'm getting to the end of the full regimen and I'm almost ready for maintenance so I think I'll start using it in a more consistent fashion. I've used it intermittently the past few months. I have to say that the few times I've used it, my skin felt immediately tighter. Other than that, I can't say anything one way or the other. It'll be interesting to compare notes with other users!
BTW, Kassy, you got an awesome deal on yours!! |
_________________ 50 Is definitely NOT nifty!! |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:11 am |
Keliu wrote: |
This is from Nanci's newsletter:
Other LEDs have the amber and red lights together - those two colors together do not give you true amber/red lighting (think of mixing two colors together - and what do you get - a third color)! |
This does raise an interesting point about mixing colors and not ending up with the exact wavelengths that you might get with using them seperately. |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:29 am |
lisacollins00 wrote: |
Keliu wrote: |
This is from Nanci's newsletter:
Other LEDs have the amber and red lights together - those two colors together do not give you true amber/red lighting (think of mixing two colors together - and what do you get - a third color)! |
This does raise an interesting point about mixing colors and not ending up with the exact wavelengths that you might get with using them seperately. |
All I could tell you about my success with using 4 wavelengths simultaneously (AALS) is that I did not *wish* my fine lines, sun damage and sag away..
However they engineered this device to make that work, and all I can say is that it works.. (BTW, you might be interested to know, that 4 LED manufacturers bought the AALS to try to cross engineer it, but were unsuccessful.) I doubt people would be going to that trouble if it didn't work, ya know.
I'm looking forward to trying the Omnilux now, to see for myself if *individual* wavelength treatments work even better.. |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:49 pm |
Kassy, I'd like to know more about the topicals that came with the Omnilux. Are there any interesting ingredients in them and how are they used exactly? |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:53 pm |
Keliu wrote: |
Kassy, I'd like to know more about the topicals that came with the Omnilux. Are there any interesting ingredients in them and how are they used exactly? |
The only thing I've been able to read on it so far is this;
http://www.phototherapeutics.com/pdf/new-u-skincare.pdf
When I get the package I'll let you know if there's anything interesting that isn't on the website..
I'll use the products for my 8 week trial and see how they work.
I already have most of those actives in the house, so a DIY version might be on the horizon.. |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:32 am |
Hi Kassy,
I can’t wait for you to get the Omnilux. Good luck and like everyone else looking forward to your review! |
_________________ male, 45, sensitive skin, broken caps, some hyperpigmentation |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:48 pm |
Thanks Jimm (and all) for the good wishes..
Hopefully it will turn out to be another good tool for us to add to the anti-aging *arsenal*...
If anybody who is using it has any pointers or advice to share, I'm all ears. |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:49 am |
I have lots of papers on the use of combined red with near IR light - which is more technical - if you would like me to share this with you - let me know it might take me a few hours to write it up and make sense of it myself.
PQ |
_________________ I am now blogging at Home Beauty Device Reviews. http://homebeautydevice.co.uk |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:57 am |
photoqueen wrote: |
I have lots of papers on the use of combined red with near IR light - which is more technical - if you would like me to share this with you - let me know it might take me a few hours to write it up and make sense of it myself.
PQ |
Please share! |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:00 pm |
These studies are very interesting.
Do I understand it correctly that the Omnilux handheld device, which uses the same LED technology as the larger Omnilux devices, delivers 126 joules of red light and 66 joules of NIR light after 20 minutes of exposure, per treated area?
If (and only if) this is the case, the amount of joules delivered to the skin per area - per session with the Omnilux WAY exceeds the amount of joules (per session) recommended by most of the other suppliers.
I think this is very interesting … I respect this company and their research.
It makes me wonder if one prolonged session per week (with any of the other devices we use)instead of several shorter sessions would be as (or even more) effective ... food for thought. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:07 am |
Hi Jimm,
Theoretically speaking, I wonder if those of us who have the Omnilux would still realize satisfactory results with less than 20 minutes per treatment area?
Sometimes, it's difficult to allot that much time for a treatment. I know that I'm not always doing a full 20 minutes per area.
Kassy: Have you received yours yet? I'm also curious to see what creams/serums you might use with yours! |
_________________ 50 Is definitely NOT nifty!! |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:25 pm |
Just received my Omnilux.. It's really tiny, and looks a bit chintzy.. Hopefully it works better than it looks and feels..
I'm all set to get my 1st treatment under way, and will use the 'cleanser', 'treatment' + after creams that came with it, but I doubt I will repurchase any of them.. (Too many preservatives for my taste, but the good stuff can be easily duplicated in a DIY serum.)
The instruction booklet say's this should be used for treating the crow's feet area only.. I really want to concentrate on the lower face and neck with this, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it.. If it's 20 minutes for each area I would imagine it will be about 2 hours twice a week to treat the face/neck (infrared day 1, red day 3), is that correct? I'm also wondering if it's safe to use on the neck area like the other LED's?
Oh, BTW, does anybody who uses this have any thoughts about the treatment cream? It's really loaded with a lot of crap, so unless someone really thinks it made a difference, I'm leary to even use it.. (Butylene glycol is the 1st ingredient and there's at least 6 preservatives on the end.) |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:54 pm |
Jimm wrote: |
Do I understand it correctly that the Omnilux handheld device, which uses the same LED technology as the larger Omnilux devices, delivers 126 joules of red light and 66 joules of NIR light after 20 minutes of exposure, per treated area?
If (and only if) this is the case, the amount of joules delivered to the skin per area - per session with the Omnilux WAY exceeds the amount of joules (per session) recommended by most of the other suppliers.
I think this is very interesting … I respect this company and their research.
It makes me wonder if one prolonged session per week (with any of the other devices we use)instead of several shorter sessions would be as (or even more) effective ... food for thought. |
I thought the same thing Jimm. Sometimes I wonder if the LED manufacturers just pull a treatment "time" out of their hat. I don't understand how there can be so many variances in treatment times otherwise..Especially when you compare the handhelds discussed here, with similar power and wavelengths. As far as joules are concerned it's over my head and I couldn't care less.. I'm the type that would rather buy something, use it, and then let the mirror tell me whether it's a keeper, or another addition to the dead tool graveyard.. All the specs in the world can't guarantee a definitive result for all anyway.
Personally amongst my cyber friends that I correspond with privately who own/use either ProLight, Quasar or LightStim, the ones who have the most obvious visible changes have been the LS users. I really believe that the 3 minute treatment time is the reason why. Sure 30 seconds once a week *sounds* great, but if it doesn't make those changes it's useless..
Now I'm off to see what 20 minutes can do.. |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:31 am |
What do you mean it says to use on crows feet only - can't you use it on the entire face? What do the instructions say exactly? |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:44 am |
Is anybody aware of the differences (if any) between the Omnilux and this device made by The LED Man which is both red and infrared - the different wavelengths can be used together or separately.
http://www.theledman.net/660880dual.htm |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:41 am |
Keliu wrote: |
Is anybody aware of the differences (if any) between the Omnilux and this device made by The LED Man which is both red and infrared - the different wavelengths can be used together or separately.
http://www.theledman.net/660880dual.htm |
I didn't buy one from the LED man, because he didn't have any of the wavelengths I requested; (605, 633 + 830).. That was about a year ago I think. From the pictures I've seen of his units, it looks to me like they are a better/sturdier quality than the Omnilux.
What I can tell you about the Omnilux after using it for more than 3 hours last night, is that in my opinion it is very cheaply made, and I'll be surprised if it lasts even one year.. Perhaps the reason why their indications for use are for 'crowsfeet', is because it might not hold up to treating the entire face, neck, chest and hands. I spent the better part of 3 hours treating 8 face spots and the underside of my jaw. I'll do the same thing with the 'red' diodes tomorrow. Oh, the diodes look very small, and there are 30. The head is a rectangular shape.
The fan operates whenever the unit is on, and I found it intrusive and annoying after the 1st hour. Why is it in there anyway, unless they feel it would burn up otherwise.
The directions said to use 'Infrared' on day 1 for 20 minutes, 'Red' on day 3 for 20 minutes, and then repeat this twice per week pattern for 4 weeks.. I saw nothing at all about a maintenance plan..
It specifically say's the following regarding what it does;
"Indications for use; The Omnilux new-U is a medical device intended to be used for the reduction of periorbital wrinkles (crowsfeet)."
I used the cleanser + creams that came with it, and the 'aftercare treatment cream' burned when I applied it.. (I'm not used to all these chemicals!) I want to give this thing a good test though, so I'll muddle through exactly as directed. |
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Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:32 pm |
I'm surprised that it's so cheaply made and that the head is small. I imagined that the head would be large enough to cover one entire side of the face. I can't understand why they would incorporate a fan either - that would worry me a bit I think - and it might be likely to wear out.
The 660/880 device from The LED Man looks very interesting, IMO - and the price is reasonable. Of course, I don't think he provides any useful information on how the device should be best used for anti-aging purposes - however, that's no different from any other manufacturer really! |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:47 pm |
Whomever is using (or has used) the Omnilux, could you kindly tell me exactly how much of your face + neck you treat..
I did two treatments so far (1st IR, 2nd R) and it took me 3 hours each time to do just my face + the underside of my jaw.. Not including forehead, I was just too worn out.
I wrote an email to Omnilux customer service asking if they had any advice for treating more than the 1 spot shown in the booklet, but haven't heard back..(two days.)
Here's a few thoughts so far;
- I hate the bloody fan and find it annoying and intrusive.
- The 'red' light is very hot and extremely bright, and the goggles are necessary when up on the cheek part of the face. It's almost impossible to leave this for the full 20 minutes on the neck because of the intense heat.. And I love heat!
- When sonny boy dropped off the little scallywags yesterday he gave me a totally unsolicited compliment..(I can count on one hand the compliments he's given me in his 35 years.) He said, and I quote; "Mom, you look really pretty today, did you do something different"? "Your skin looks even prettier than usual".. Trust me when I tell you that this is very high praise indeed.. I must also tell you that I was fresh out of the shower, with hair in a banana clip, and hadn't had my cup of coffee yet.. On the flip side of that, the only thing DH said was; "I'll be in the den while you have that God forsaken light on, so you don't blind me.. And I'm taking Chi-Chi with me."
- I cannot use the treatment + after care lotions as is because they make my skin burn.. I have doctored them up.
I'm anxious to see what this little gizmo will do after a couple of months, and just hope it can last through 3 hour treatments twice a week..
I'll be patiently waiting for any tips other users can offer, and thanks in advance. |
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:29 am |
Kassy, if you place the Omnilux diagonally across your cheek, including the crows feet area, how far does the light spread across the cheek. Maybe, you're only supposed to do 20 mins on each side of the face. That's how the instructions read to me. But then what about the neck and forehead? Why does it say its just for periorbital wrinkles, it's a bit odd. I can't see anyone wanting to sit there for 3 hours at a time, that's ridiculous. Just as well Mr. K is removing Chi Chi from the area, the poor little thing would end up getting irradiated!
The light certainly sounds as if it's very strong, stronger than the AALS. At least you're getting some positive feedback (from unexpected quarters as well).
Keep at it - I'm following with interest. |
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