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Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:21 am |
lisacollins00 wrote: |
Keliu wrote: |
This is from Nanci's newsletter:
Other LEDs have the amber and red lights together - those two colors together do not give you true amber/red lighting (think of mixing two colors together - and what do you get - a third color)! |
This does raise an interesting point about mixing colors and not ending up with the exact wavelengths that you might get with using them seperately. |
I'm thinking along the lines that the lights have different frequencies and penetrate to different levels of the skin. Hence, using the light together and separately should reap the same benefits. Not that it creates a new light. |
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:55 pm |
Keliu wrote: |
Kassy, if you place the Omnilux diagonally across your cheek, including the crows feet area, how far does the light spread across the cheek. Maybe, you're only supposed to do 20 mins on each side of the face. That's how the instructions read to me. But then what about the neck and forehead? Why does it say its just for periorbital wrinkles, it's a bit odd. I can't see anyone wanting to sit there for 3 hours at a time, that's ridiculous. Just as well Mr. K is removing Chi Chi from the area, the poor little thing would end up getting irradiated!
The light certainly sounds as if it's very strong, stronger than the AALS. At least you're getting some positive feedback (from unexpected quarters as well).
Keep at it - I'm following with interest. |
It will be useless to me unless I can use it everywhere.. It only covers a small section at a time, so it would be at least 10 or 12 spots just for the face.. (I did 8 and it didn't include the forehead!)
The brightness of the lights has absolutely nothing to do with power contrary to what many believe.. In the case of this device the brightness seems to be a reflection of the casing and because of the "flush mounted diodes". The heat factor doesn't equate to power either.. Mostly it reflects an inferior housing.. (This is what I hear from my fancy engineering friends anyhoo..)
I haven't had a response from customer service regarding my questions, so I guess I'll just have to wing it.. I was hoping someone who has/uses this would help me out with my dilemma but that hasn't happened either ..
I'll let you know how things are going after some more frying next week.. Oh, I treated my decollete with it last night, and have all red dots there today.. I'm thinking that the neck and chest skin might be to thin to withstand this kind of heat. I guess I could try holding it just clear of touching. ! |
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:51 pm |
Hi Guys! I'm also using the Omnilux right now but my protocol is rather "willy-nilly!" I've read the directions and I know the recommended treatment time is 20 minutes for the periorbital regions which I try to do. I'm also trying to treat other areas of my face, neck, and chest.
Truthfully, I'm probably only treating each area about 10 minutes, but I'm also trying to use the device on a daily basis alternating IR and red.
Basically, I'm using the device and adapting it to what fits best in my schedule. I still spend approximately 60-90 minutes a day. Oh, I'm also treating the backs of my hands.
My best guess for the Omnilux to be used specifically for "crow's feet" is probably determined by their research/tests/studies.
Kassy, this is probably no help to you at all since I'm flying by the seat of my pants on this one, but I am hoping to have some positive results as well.
I'm not using any pre-treatment creams or serums, but afterwards I apply all the Obagi Nuderm products (p.m.) including retin a without any problems.
Looking forward to hearing about your progress!
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:14 pm |
Hi kims, I'm glad you chimed in. Misery likes company..
May I ask why you are doing things against what the directions say.. ie; no pre or post treatment lotion + treating every day? The directions specifically say to leave "at least 48 hours between treatments".. I believe it's something to do with avoiding chronic inflammation and too many collagen digesting enzymes..
How long have you been using it kim? Have you noticed anything positive yet? |
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:52 pm |
Hi Kassy,
I guess I'm just a rebel at heart!!
There are times when I do have a 48 hour reprieve (or longer) but I think I try to do my best to fit it into my schedule, and I never treat the same areas twice in a 24 hour period. I think I justify my frequent usage due to the fact that I don't treat each area for a full 20 minutes. See, I told you this is rather "willy-nilly!
I didn't use any pre-treatment creams because I really didn't know I was supposed to nor did I receive any with my Omnilux. Although, I'm certainly not opposed to trying one. Hey, I'm up for anything that works!
As for results...I've just "seriously" started the treatments for about 1.5 weeks. I bought the device in the spring along about the same time I started Nuderm. Didn't think it wise to use it with a red and peely face! Since I'm almost to the maintenance phase, I thought I'd give it a shot.
I can't really comment yet on results -- too soon to tell, I think. But I will certainly keep everyone posted! |
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Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:20 am |
I bought the omnilux too...unfortunately AFTER reading dr.K's complaints of the tiny head and cheapy housing! OOOHHHHH!!!! I wished I'd just saved the money towards an AALS. I thought that it was such a great price for what seemed like the same kind of thing as the other LED's (bought it for $125 on ebay).
However, it's on it's way in the post now, and therefore I will be using it devotedly for at least a few months to see what happens with it.
The fan does sound annoying.
BTW, I'm planning to use it on the arthritis in my neck and wrists and hands and shoulders (I'll stop here), as well as on my face/neck/decolletage. That little baby is going to get the workout of it's life. |
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Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:06 pm |
You'll love it for the arthritis Trigger! I did a little on my knee and it brought the swelling down a bit.. Felt good too from all the heat.
I was really hoping to get an answer from customer service with advice for treating the entire face/neck, rather than just what it shows in the brochure.. Five days and not a word..sigh!
There has to be a better option than a 3 hour treatment.. I know I could just treat certain areas each day, but then I'd have to do it almost every day, and that doesn't interest me at all.
For now I'll plow on with the 3 hour sessions twice per week, and see how it goes.. The 2 wavelengths work, I already know that, so for me the test is to see how they work individually. I'm also curious to see if I miss the 'amber/orange' I love so much..
Please keep me posted on your thoughts and ideas.. Maybe we can figure something better out to shorten the treatment times.. I'm leery to do it less than 20 minutes though, because that is what was used in the studies that worked..
The fan is a bit of a nuisance because of the very long time it took me..
All in all I feel it's well worth the $125. ebay find.. I'm just hoping it holds up to 3 hour sessions..
I so miss my AALS treatments, and hope that I won't regress from not using it.. I have high hopes from this peanut of a light.. |
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Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:25 pm |
Yes, worth the relatively small price... I'm just surprised to hear how tiny it is. I was imagining it was a decent size. I'll see how I go with this, and will most likely invest in the amber too, down the track (once I've proven I'm actually going to use the thing!). I'm sure it will be soothing for sore body parts... |
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Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:37 pm |
trigger wrote: |
Yes, worth the relatively small price... I'm just surprised to hear how tiny it is. I was imagining it was a decent size. I'll see how I go with this, and will most likely invest in the amber too, down the track (once I've proven I'm actually going to use the thing!). I'm sure it will be soothing for sore body parts... |
The head is very 'tiny' compared to the LightStim which has 72 larger diodes compared to 30 (I think ) in this. I find the round head of the LS much easier to maneuver, and I am totally missing my nice long handle. The Omnilux from end to end is about an inch longer than a deck of cards..
Overall it's just very compact and kind of chintzy.. But if it works well, I can live with that.. It's not at all as sturdy or large as it appears in pictures.
Judging by this thread, it doesn't seem like too many people are using it. I gues we'll just have to be the guinea pigs.. |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 am |
I don't think a lot of people are using it either, Kassy. It will be interesting to hear what CS says to you about treatment times -- if they ever respond.
Also, it wouldn't surprise me if they tell you it's not intended for use other than the periorbital region. On the Contraindications page of the user guide, it states:
DO NOT use the Omnilux new-U except for the reduction of periorbital wrinkles.
That being said, I'm definitely using it for some of my other problem areas! We all may need to come up with our own protocols based on trial and error. |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:55 am |
Hi Kassy and all,
If you have a minute could you have a look at the ‘Britebox Revive’ I just came across and share your first impression...
It’s a panel device that operates at the exact same wavelengths as the Omnilux (633nm/830nm).
It looks a lot sturdier than the DPL and the panels are quite large for an at-home device.
Specifications from the website:
Mains Voltage 100 – 240V AC
Max Current 2.5A
Weight: 4kg (8.5lb)
Open: 550mm x 500mm x 60mm
Closed: 275mm x 500mm x 120mm
Light Output:
Red – wavelength 633nm (Power output 8.4mW/cm2)
Infrared – 830nm (Power output 24mW/cm2)
Treatment time recommendations: 15 minutes a day.
I am not allowed to post a link. The website is: britebox-led.co.uk |
_________________ male, 45, sensitive skin, broken caps, some hyperpigmentation |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:51 pm |
Wow!! Much less expensive than the Dermawave. Will look into it further. Thanks! |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:00 pm |
The clinical study cited on their website is the one that was conducted using the Omnilux LEDs. The treatment time is 15 mins - the advantage of this device, of course, is that being a panel device, it's just one treatment time of 15 mins.
I don't understand why Omnilux is only recommending treatment of the periorbital area. This device has the same wavelengths but obviously is meant for the entire face.
Interesting find Jimm. |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:08 pm |
Jimm wrote: |
Hi Kassy and all,
If you have a minute could you have a look at the ‘Britebox Revive’ I just came across and share your first impression...
It’s a panel device that operates at the exact same wavelengths as the Omnilux (633nm/830nm).
It looks a lot sturdier than the DPL and the panels are quite large for an at-home device.
Specifications from the website:
Mains Voltage 100 – 240V AC
Max Current 2.5A
Weight: 4kg (8.5lb)
Open: 550mm x 500mm x 60mm
Closed: 275mm x 500mm x 120mm
Light Output:
Red – wavelength 633nm (Power output 8.4mW/cm2)
Infrared – 830nm (Power output 24mW/cm2)
Treatment time recommendations: 15 minutes a day.
I am not allowed to post a link. The website is: britebox-led.co.uk |
Here's the link for those interested;
http://britebox-led.co.uk/skin-rejuvenation/index.php
It looks good to me (but I am far from a techy girl, and most specs are over my head).. It also looks like it has the "flush mounted" diodes which are turning out to be a good thing.
The only thing to keep in mind with the panel, is that the best results are had when the diodes are no more than 1 cm away from the skin.. (The closer the better, with touching proving to be the best.)
Considering the specs are the same as the Omnilux, I'd go for the 20 minute treatment instead of 15.. (So much better than the 3 hours I am doing as I write.. ) |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:15 pm |
Keliu wrote: |
I don't understand why Omnilux is only recommending treatment of the periorbital area. This device has the same wavelengths but obviously is meant for the entire face. |
My guess is that Omnilux wouldn't be selling too many New-U's if each inch of the face needs a 20 minute treatment twice per week..
My other thought is that there is know way in hell this thing is going to hold up to 3 hour stints twice per week for long..
I read somewhere that the 'lights' are only expected to last 5 years in this device, and they get dimmer along the way.. Must be that "flush mounted" chip thing which is different than the diodes in the other handheld's.
I noticed on Perricone's site he isn't endorsing this anymore.. Unless I missed it which is totally possible.. I wonder why? |
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:49 pm |
Jimm wrote: |
Hi Kassy and all,
If you have a minute could you have a look at the ‘Britebox Revive’ I just came across and share your first impression...
It’s a panel device that operates at the exact same wavelengths as the Omnilux (633nm/830nm).
It looks a lot sturdier than the DPL and the panels are quite large for an at-home device.
Specifications from the website:
Mains Voltage 100 – 240V AC
Max Current 2.5A
Weight: 4kg (8.5lb)
Open: 550mm x 500mm x 60mm
Closed: 275mm x 500mm x 120mm
Light Output:
Red – wavelength 633nm (Power output 8.4mW/cm2)
Infrared – 830nm (Power output 24mW/cm2)
Treatment time recommendations: 15 minutes a day.
I am not allowed to post a link. The website is: britebox-led.co.uk |
Jimm, didn't you buy the Dermawave LED? |
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:00 am |
Yes that’s correct.
The main issues I want to address are hyper pigmentation, redness and broken caps.
That’s why I am more focused on the amber/orange wavelengths.
I am using it since the 28th of august (3x a week) but totally missed last week so it’s really only been two weeks. At this point I have had five treatments. The sixth is scheduled for tonight, the seventh for Friday and the eighth for Sunday.
So far the results are subtle (a nice glow) and not dramatic.
Except for maybe the scalp area. The skin on my scalp seems to respond quite fast and seems to already get a nice even tone. But I am critical and will speak in terms of ‘seems to’ as long as there aren’t any hardcore improvements.
The scalp area that already seems to respond is quite a nice and promising thing but it’s improvement of the facial skin that I am after.
Results are cumulative so I will give the DW a fair amount of time. At least eight weeks before I will get a realistic impression of what the device is worth. I have to keep in mind that softening the appearance of hyper pigmentation and broken caps will take a long time, surely more than eight weeks. But I think that if the DW is going to work for me by the eighth week it will show some positive signs.
I am quite interested in this whole LED thing in general and will continue to investigate on this subject. I am following everyone’s experience with any led. My interest is not restricted to the DW alone.
Kassy, what are 'flush mounted' diodes? |
_________________ male, 45, sensitive skin, broken caps, some hyperpigmentation |
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:15 am |
Jimm
830nm is good for broken caps.
PQ. |
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:11 am |
Jimm wrote: |
Yes that’s correct.
The main issues I want to address are hyper pigmentation, redness and broken caps.
That’s why I am more focused on the amber/orange wavelengths.
I am using it since the 28th of august (3x a week) but totally missed last week so it’s really only been two weeks. At this point I have had five treatments. The sixth is scheduled for tonight, the seventh for Friday and the eighth for Sunday.
So far the results are subtle (a nice glow) and not dramatic.
Except for maybe the scalp area. The skin on my scalp seems to respond quite fast and seems to already get a nice even tone. But I am critical and will speak in terms of ‘seems to’ as long as there aren’t any hardcore improvements.
The scalp area that already seems to respond is quite a nice and promising thing but it’s improvement of the facial skin that I am after.
Results are cumulative so I will give the DW a fair amount of time. At least eight weeks before I will get a realistic impression of what the device is worth. I have to keep in mind that softening the appearance of hyper pigmentation and broken caps will take a long time, surely more than eight weeks. But I think that if the DW is going to work for me by the eighth week it will show some positive signs.
I am quite interested in this whole LED thing in general and will continue to investigate on this subject. I am following everyone’s experience with any led. My interest is not restricted to the DW alone.
Kassy, what are 'flush mounted' diodes? |
Jimm, I used the Prolight Red and that was really worked on my broken caps, and quickly for me. I stopped using it to try ultrasound out. I am not sure if it was just the Prolight Red or a combination of the 302 drops and Prolight red, but I am going to go back to the Prolight just to see. I'll be on a 302 vacation, so we'll see if it was just that LED or not. |
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:56 am |
PQ, thanks for that info.
Rileygirl, that’s interesting! How many treatments per week did you have with the Prolight Red before you noticed results with the broken caps? |
_________________ male, 45, sensitive skin, broken caps, some hyperpigmentation |
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:24 am |
Jimm wrote: |
PQ, thanks for that info.
Rileygirl, that’s interesting! How many treatments per week did you have with the Prolight Red before you noticed results with the broken caps? |
I followed Rita's advice and used it once per week, 30 seconds on the spots with broken caps. I will say within 6 weeks (of 1 x a week use), I had good improvement in the broken caps. |
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Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:59 pm |
As promised this omnilux (just recieved today) is getting the workout of it's life. It wasn't as small and crappy as I expected from Kassy's post, but I know she was comparing it to the AALS which is obviously much bigger and better built. The fan isn't too bothersome to me, but I can imagine if you were used to not having one it would be an unwelcome change. I don't mind a bit of white noise and find it relatively quiet.
The red lights (which are all I've used so far as I'm starting off with the red treatment today and will do the IR day after tomorrow) are lovely and warm, and feel great on my neck shoulders and face. I've been doing it for hours while at the computer. I've covered my entire face, neck, shoulders, and might even do my wrists and hands!!
I'd love for it to work as well as the studies suggest. I'm using ECGC too, to enhance things. So far I love my new toy, especially as it was an inexpensive foray into my first LED. This way I'll get an idea of how well I feel it works for me, and how often I'll use it before perhaps moving up to a device with amber lights which I'm also interested in.
I'm very happy that the red and IR lights are separate so I know for sure theres not interference. |
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Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:21 pm |
trigger wrote: |
As promised this omnilux (just recieved today) is getting the workout of it's life. It wasn't as small and crappy as I expected from Kassy's post, but I know she was comparing it to the AALS which is obviously much bigger and better built. |
Trigger, can you measure the head of the Omnilux, and tell us the measurements? (Would like to compare the size with the Prolight that I have). |
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Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:30 pm |
2 X 2 1/2 |
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Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:12 pm |
Thank you, Kassy! I'll measure my Prolight tomorrow.
ETA: Kassy, how big is the lightstim that you use? |
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