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Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:41 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
sittinpretty, I am mid 40's and a smoker, so my concern are the vertical lip lines above the upper lip. Any oil recommendations for that area to diminish wrinkles that are already there? |
rileygirl - have you looked into cupping? Cupping - For Skin Tightening!!! thread
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=27735
Some people reported good results for upper lip lines. |
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:01 pm |
Hi, mpstat! No, have not looked at the cupping. I just purchased the 1.5 mm dermaroller and will give that a shot! I will take a look at the cupping thread! |
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sittinpretty
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Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:10 pm |
For Rileygirl,
Me too, an ex-smoker, with those whistle marks above lips. They will diminish when you quit smoking. Want tips on quitting please let me know. I was never able to get rid of them completely with creams or oils so let me know if you find a mention of any thing that works.
What you might try is exfoliation with something gentle. You can use some raw oatmeal and water and rub gently on your lip area, face and hands once a week. Or some raw pineapple or papaya left on the skin, no rubbing, for 10 min. once a week. The enzymes naturaly eat up any dead skin and leaves the healthy skin alone.
Do not use any exfoliation product that has crushed seeds as they can cause permanent scaring to the face. It left tiny red marks that are permanent on my face. Lancome, and I am sure co.'s like Clarins and Clinique would also have products containing exfoliating beads that dissolve and can cause no harm.
Squalane oil followed be Retinol Cream followed by Sunblock. Lightly layer this on you face every day, preferably in winter because the retinal makes the skin sun sensitive. Or use a higher spf sun block. Do that for a month or more and then use a product with elastin and collagen which will plump up the skin around the lips. Not on the eye area please. Then begin using a product like Stivectin which will give your skin a glow and helps skin turn over and regenerate. I found that his product does help smooth the eye are for me. A product with emu oil may be worth a try as well around the lips.
Plumping the lips will not hide the vertical lines around the lips.
If your lips are looking thinner from aging then plumping will make you look younger. I believe MAC has lipsticks that plump just a bit and do not look like the lips have swelled.
Injesting hyaluronic in a product like Rejuve will also help keep moisture in the skin. Most smokers are dehydrated and that is what causes the wrinkles in general. So drink water even when you are not thirsty as smokers do not have the ability to know when they should drink fluids.
Also smoking burns 200 calories a day through a mechanism of fat exchange in the cells, so if you quit in the past and gained weight, just cut out 200 calories or do an activity that burns 200 calories and you will not gain weight. Not everyone gains when they quit but for those who do this may be the cause. |
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:50 am |
Thanks for the recommendations, sittinpretty. Bottom line that I take from what you wrote is you have had no luck with oils to diminish wrinkles around the lips! |
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sittinpretty
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:32 pm |
Hi rileygirl,
Regarding vertical whistle lines above lips from smoking.
The sqaulane will allow creams to penetrate as a carrier oil that is very safe to use. An oil by itself, well I don't know. But many of the oils mentioned here I have never heard of and not yet investigated.
The problem is that you are not healing the lip area. There is no inflammation or scarring. It is more like a muscle problem than a skin problem. Someone who knows more about facial anatomy may be of benefit. The Pearl cream mentioned on this thread, it caused the fold from her nose to her lip to fill in. I never used it but one never knows?? |
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:16 pm |
I understand, sittinpretty. I use really good skin are (retin A, topical C, sunscreen every single day, etc, etc.). I was just curious if any oil would help. I'll look into the squalane as far as something that will help other products penetrate deeper, but I think I am already doing about as much as I can! Thanks for trying to help! |
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:47 pm |
It's so hard to choose! For acne and acne marks tamanu oil seems to be fantastic. I've been spot treating with it and I got it because other EDS members had success with it. But I don't think of it as a carrier oil really since I'm spot treating with it.
I think argan oil has a lot to offer, especially for acne prone skin. Avocado oil is of course great... I'm using rice bran oil right now and it's not a very exciting oil but it's not bad. And of course I can't forget castor oil. I use castor oil on my eyelashes and around the eyes once in a while. I noticed my eyelashes are looking flakey (imagine dandruff, but on the eyelashes) so I'll use castor oil tonight. |
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sittinpretty
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:18 pm |
Nimue,
I have never put oils on my eye area at night because the body temperature rises at night and will cause the oil to heat resulting in stretching of the delicate tissue around the eyes.This becomes a situation that is hard to repair and easy to prevent. Use your oils during the day. And use vegetable gycerin bought only in the health food store around the eyes at night. Add water if it feels too thick. You will love what it does to the eye area to prevent any wrinkles and crows feet. Do not put moisturizer or eye cream around the eyes at night for the same reason.
Did you research caster oil. I know it is used as a "pack" over internal organs for healing. Is it safe on the eyes? Let me know info. |
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:39 pm |
I don't know what the best is, but I use EVOO. I happened upon reviews on makeupalley. I have had great results using it in a variety of ways. |
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Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:33 pm |
Hi Sittinpretty,
I believe that you have great success with not using oil at night and using just glycerin, and that's great, but there are also many women who do have success with using oils at night.
I don't think that any rise in temperature is significant. Also when we sleep body temperature actually falls, not rises, unless we're sick. For example: in russian movies, the dangerous thing to do when you're cold is to fall asleep, because then you die.
I did research castor oil and it's safe to use around the eyes, as long as it's totally pure and cold pressed and processed and fresh. I started a castor oil thread in the DIY forum:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28985&highlight=castor+oil
I love castor oil
sittinpretty wrote: |
Nimue,
I have never put oils on my eye area at night because the body temperature rises at night and will cause the oil to heat resulting in stretching of the delicate tissue around the eyes.This becomes a situation that is hard to repair and easy to prevent. Use your oils during the day. And use vegetable gycerin bought only in the health food store around the eyes at night. Add water if it feels too thick. You will love what it does to the eye area to prevent any wrinkles and crows feet. Do not put moisturizer or eye cream around the eyes at night for the same reason.
Did you research caster oil. I know it is used as a "pack" over internal organs for healing. Is it safe on the eyes? Let me know info. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:06 am |
I completely agree with Nimue. I have been using castol oil for years and years. Do not have any fine lines around my eyes which I attribute completely to castor oil. There are no eye bags or any sort of puffiness either. Many friends of mine started using castor oil after learning what I am doing.
I also use lots of other carrier and essential oils, and can not be happier with them.
Nimue wrote: |
Hi Sittinpretty,
I believe that you have great success with not using oil at night and using just glycerin, and that's great, but there are also many women who do have success with using oils at night.
I don't think that any rise in temperature is significant. Also when we sleep body temperature actually falls, not rises, unless we're sick. For example: in russian movies, the dangerous thing to do when you're cold is to fall asleep, because then you die.
I did research castor oil and it's safe to use around the eyes, as long as it's totally pure and cold pressed and processed and fresh. I started a castor oil thread in the DIY forum:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28985&highlight=castor+oil
I love castor oil
sittinpretty wrote: |
Nimue,
I have never put oils on my eye area at night because the body temperature rises at night and will cause the oil to heat resulting in stretching of the delicate tissue around the eyes.This becomes a situation that is hard to repair and easy to prevent. Use your oils during the day. And use vegetable gycerin bought only in the health food store around the eyes at night. Add water if it feels too thick. You will love what it does to the eye area to prevent any wrinkles and crows feet. Do not put moisturizer or eye cream around the eyes at night for the same reason.
Did you research caster oil. I know it is used as a "pack" over internal organs for healing. Is it safe on the eyes? Let me know info. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:22 pm |
mpstat, are your friends noticing good things for themselves using the castor oil? |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:02 pm |
This might come in handy;
ESSENTIAL OILS FOR VARIOUS SKIN TYPES + PROBLEMS
SKINCARE
(General) Lavender, rose, rosemary camphor, cypress, geranium, chamomiles, rosewood, geranium essential oils and hydrosols
ACNE: Tea tree, Manuka, Helichrysum, lavender, spike lavender, thyme linalool, rose geranium, tea tree, Petitgrain, grapefruit, sandalwood, Vetiver, mints, basil, German chamomile, atlas Cedarwood, rosewood, Palma Rosa, thyme, Cajeput, Niaouli, Yarrow Hydrosol.
ASTRINGENT: Grapefruit, yarrow, rosemary, lime distilled
BLACK HEADS: Coriander, thymus vulgaris, peppermint, lemongrass
CHAPPED/ CRACKED SKIN: Myrrh, patchouli, sandalwood, Vetiver, Cajeput, roman & German chamo, lavender
Calendula infused oil.
CHILBLAINS: Black Pepper, Cinnamon leaf, clove bud, ginger, lavender. (ie, circulatory stimulants to promote warming.)
CLEANSING: Sweet Basil, juniper, lemon, lemongrass, Niaouli, peppermint
COMBINATION SKIN: Geranium, Rosewood, Ylang-ylang, Rose Geranium Hydrosol, Neroli Hydrosol
COUPEROSE
(Thread veins, congested capillaries) Lemon, Helichrysum, cypress, rose, lavender, parsley, roman & German chamomiles, geranium, calendula infused oil, Helichrysum or Neroli hydrosols.
DEVITALIZED SKIN: Eucalyptus globulous, myrtle, neroli, basil juniper, lemon, lemongrass, Niaouli, peppermint, pine, orange, oregano, rosemary, spearmint, geranium, grapefruit
DRY ACNE: Petitgrain, lavender, spike lavender, clary, rose geranium
DRY SKIN: Carrot seed, Cedarwood, clary, jasmine, geranium, lavender, orange, Palma Rosa, rose, roman chamo, rosewood, neroli, Petitgrain, Mandarine petitgrain, Vetiver, sandalwood, ylangylang, carrot seed, lavender, rose or neroli hydrosol, Calendula infused oil.
ECZEMA: German Chamomile, Helichrysum, Lavender, Bergamot, Carrot Seed, Atlas Cedarwood, Roman Chamomile, Juniper, Myrrh, Palma Rosa, Patchouli, Sandalwood, Teatree, Yarrow, Ylangylang. Calendula infused oil, Cranberry Seed Oil.
HYDRATING: Palma Rosa, sweet orange, Mandarine, tangerine, rose, most hydrosols, esp. Neroli
INFECTIONS: German chamo, Manuka, eucalyptus, lavender, myrrh, roman chamo, rosemary, spikenard, tea tree, thyme linalool, calendula, Palma Rosa, Niaouli, laurel, myrtle, rosewood
INFLAMMATION: Helichrysum, st. johns Wort infusion, carrot seed, Cistus, galbanum German & Roman chamomiles, clary, myrrh, myrtle, rosewood, angelica, yarrow, Helichrysum, Witch hazel or Chamomile Hydrosols
ITCHING: Jasmine, heli, lavender, peppermint, roman chamo, Lavender or Witch Hazel hydrosol
LARGE PORES: Myrtle, lemongrass, rose, Cedarwood
MATURE, AGED SKIN, WRINKLES: Carrot seed, elemi, Cistus, frankincense, galbanum, fennel, geranium, myrrh, patchouli, rose, Clary, rosewood, sages, cypress, fennel, lavender, neroli, Sea Buckthorn Berry Extract, Rose Hip Extract.
NORMAL SKIN: Atlas Cedarwood, geranium, jasmine, lavender, neroli, roman chamo, rose, rosewood, ylangylang, angelica, all hydrosols
OILY SKIN: Roman & German chamos, Cedarwood, (atlas, red, texas) geranium, Clary, lavender, Ylang-ylang, lemon, peppermint, Niaouli, Cajeput, cypress, calendula infusion, frankincense, patchouli, sandalwood, juniper, Melissa, yarrow, coriander, Petitgrain, lime distilled, grapefruit, thyme linalool, Lavandin, spike lavender, rose.
PIMPLES, blemishes: Tea tree, Manuka, Lemon Myrtle, German Chamomile, Helichrysum italicuum, thyme linalool, Cajeput, oregano (spot only) Niaouli, rosemarY
PSORIASIS:
(extremely difficult to treat)
Bergamot, Helichrysum, Cajeput, carrot seed, German or roman chamomile, Lavender, Juniper, Sandalwood, Tea tree. Calendula infused oil, Cranberry Seed Oil.
PUFFINESS: Oregano, Spanish marjoram, cypress, peppermint, rosemary, fennel, celery, clary sage, roman chamomile
REGENERATION: Frankincense, lavender, neroli, patchouli, rose, rosemary, sandalwood, teatree, Helichrysum, elemi, Vetiver, spikenard, caraway, Palma Rosa, Spanish sage, Clary, lavender, galbanum, myrrh, myrtle, calendula, carrot seed, Cistus
REVITALIZING
BASAL LAYER Carrot seed, Rosewood, Niaouli, tea tree, orange, calendula
ROSACEA: German chamomile, Helichrysum italicuum, rosewood, Helichrysum hydrosol
SENSITIVE SKIN: Roman & German chamomile, rose, Palma Rosa, Helichrysum, neroli, rosewood, carrot, angelica, jasmine, Neroli, Chamomile or Yarrow Hydrosols
SCARS: Helichrysum (in a base of Rose Hip Seed Oil), carrot seed, lavender, petitgrain, galbanum
SKIN TONER: Calendula infused , lemongrass, chamomiles, lavender, neroli, orange, rose, frankincense, Petitgrain, lemon, hydrosols
http://www.naturesgift.com/essentialoil-skincare.htm |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:08 pm |
mpstat wrote: |
I completely agree with Nimue. I have been using castol oil for years and years. Do not have any fine lines around my eyes which I attribute completely to castor oil. There are no eye bags or any sort of puffiness either. Many friends of mine started using castor oil after learning what I am doing. |
I am a big fan of castor oil also, and especially love what it does for the eyelashes. I haven't used it all around the eye though, because of how thick and sticky I find it.
Do you find it absorbs enough to go to sleep with it around the eyes? |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:55 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
mpstat, are your friends noticing good things for themselves using the castor oil? |
I got good feedback from them, it is not an overnight thing to cure the problems, there are no miracles, but friends of mine are positive about using castor oil. One of them got hooked up on castor oil when we were back in college, I had been using it for several years when she joined in. Now so many years later she is still using it!!!
My teenage daughter looking at me has been using it for several years now. According to her her eyes "feel nice" the next morning. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:06 pm |
Thanks, mpstat. Where do you get your castor oil? |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:06 pm |
Kassy_A wrote: |
mpstat wrote: |
I completely agree with Nimue. I have been using castol oil for years and years. Do not have any fine lines around my eyes which I attribute completely to castor oil. There are no eye bags or any sort of puffiness either. Many friends of mine started using castor oil after learning what I am doing. |
I am a big fan of castor oil also, and especially love what it does for the eyelashes. I haven't used it all around the eye though, because of how thick and sticky I find it.
Do you find it absorbs enough to go to sleep with it around the eyes? |
That is true Castor oil is quite thick, and some might find it as a turn off, which is understandable. I do not wait for the oil to completely absorb before I go to bed. It is OK with me that my eyes are shiny, I got used to it.
For those who find its thickness being problematic there are other nice options available. I do use other oils as well, and have glycerin too... If I do not use any kind of oil around eyes several days in a row (like went on a trip and forgot my oil) I can feel it. It is not visible but more of I feel that my skin is unhappy kind of thing. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:25 pm |
rileygirl - I get castor oil either from my local health food store or from vitacost. The main thing to look for that castor oil should be hexane free and cold pressed.
http://www.vitacost.com/Home-Health-Castor-Oil
http://www.vitacost.com/Heritage-Products-Castor-Oil
It is cheap and lasts for ages. Just a few drops needed for around eyes area.
That friend of mine that started using castor oil in college had a problem with skin in eye brow and lashes region. The skin in these areas was red, itchy, irritated, and flaky. The doctors prescribed her medical creams, but the creams did not bring needed relief. After she started using it all the skin problems in brows and eye areas disappeared! I had something similar in my eyes area too when I started using castor oil, and it cured the problem. And we have been using it ever since...
This problem probably more common in harsh cold climates where I used to live. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:50 pm |
Thanks, mpstat. I am off to Vitacost! |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:40 pm |
mpstat wrote: |
That is true Castor oil is quite thick, and some might find it as a turn off, which is understandable. I do not wait for the oil to completely absorb before I go to bed. It is OK with me that my eyes are shiny, I got used to it.
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Mpstat turned me on to castor oil as well!
I have not had any issues with the thickness around my eyes, but I mix it with a little camellia before applying to my neck or the back of my hands. I have found that doing so makes those areas feel hydrated for longer periods of time. |
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:15 pm |
Thanks for all the CO info mpstat!
I'm going to start using it around the eyes in the evening.. I like Bethany's idea of mixing it as well for the hands and neck.
I haven't been able to find the cold pressed CO down here, I'm going to check out Vitacost as well. |
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sittinpretty
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Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:31 pm |
Dear Nimue,
Oils are fine for the face at night, I just did not want to see anyone causing the eye area to become puffy from moisturizer or oils on the eyes at night. I realize that I was not clear in the post you replied to as it looked like I was saying not to apply any oils at night to the face. There are are so many oils being discussed that I am sure that some may not cause the problem, but if the eye area is puffy in the A.M. and oil or moisturizer was applied the night before, I was actually suggesting to then apply the oil to the face, but only use the glycerine on the eye area. I apologize for being unclear.
There was a product that I bought at least 25 years ago called Aqualin or Aqualane in the health food store and I paid 16 dollars at that time. It promised to do everything to heal and moisturize skin. It was glycerin and purified water. It did incredible things for the dryness around the eyes. That is how I ended up buying Vegetable Glycerin and using it nightly on the eyes for years. I do believe that is why I never got wrinkles or crows feet around the eyes. I also used light olive oil as a body moisurizer, and organic margerine as a face cream for many years. I was so allergic to commercial products, and the stuff worked very well. Thought you might enjoy that history from a time when ingredients were not listed on creams and cosmetics and oils were more often used in the kitchen.
I will look into into castor oil thread. Thanks |
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Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:48 am |
sittinpretty wrote: |
Oils are fine for the face at night, I just did not want to see anyone causing the eye area to become puffy from moisturizer or oils on the eyes at night. |
Agreed. If I apply oils on the eye area, I would wake up with very puffy eyes. I also have to avoid eye makeup removers that contain oils for this reason. Personally I would not weigh the thin under eye skin down with heavy oils, but obviously this works well for some people. |
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Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:27 am |
sittinpretty wrote: |
Dear Nimue,
Oils are fine for the face at night, I just did not want to see anyone causing the eye area to become puffy from moisturizer or oils on the eyes at night. I realize that I was not clear in the post you replied to as it looked like I was saying not to apply any oils at night to the face. There are are so many oils being discussed that I am sure that some may not cause the problem, but if the eye area is puffy in the A.M. and oil or moisturizer was applied the night before, I was actually suggesting to then apply the oil to the face, but only use the glycerine on the eye area. I apologize for being unclear.
There was a product that I bought at least 25 years ago called Aqualin or Aqualane in the health food store and I paid 16 dollars at that time. It promised to do everything to heal and moisturize skin. It was glycerin and purified water. It did incredible things for the dryness around the eyes. That is how I ended up buying Vegetable Glycerin and using it nightly on the eyes for years. I do believe that is why I never got wrinkles or crows feet around the eyes. I also used light olive oil as a body moisurizer, and organic margerine as a face cream for many years. I was so allergic to commercial products, and the stuff worked very well. Thought you might enjoy that history from a time when ingredients were not listed on creams and cosmetics and oils were more often used in the kitchen.
I will look into into castor oil thread. Thanks |
I did enjoy that history. My favorite beauty product, honey, is also from the kitchen and it was around forever.
I recently stumbled on this pretty thorough carrier oil guide on another forum:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=66
It's really long though so I won't copy and paste it here, it's easiest just to follow the link. |
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