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Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:30 pm  |
| Fawnie, can you post some EDS links that talk about the green cream? I can’t seem to find any posts. |
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30s, combo skin, wavy hair |
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Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:01 pm |
| there is nothing wrong with you, when most people smile(even my teenager) they will have some lines, that's natural.stop worrying. |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:13 pm |
natefan, small children also have "smile lines" when they smile 
do pay attention to them only when they are here when you are not smiling. |
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31, combo - oily, breakout-prone, fair complexion, sensitive and prone to rosacea |
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Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:02 pm |
I would lay off the retin-a. My gosh you're only 21...and you're already using retin-a...what will you use when you're 31?
I thought retin-a use contributed to the fine lines on my face because it thined out my skin. Might be the same thing for you? Definitely invest in a good collagen building cream tho! That should do the trick... |
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Whatever you do, do it with passion and conviction...even if it means spending a couple hundred on something you want but don't need! |
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:56 am |
I wouldnt advise you to do facial massages they will only deepen them however you should continue with using Retin A even around the eye area i do that too my skin is smooth around the eye area i used to hate the fine lines that started creeping up on that area.. but Retin A has saved my skin.... then again it depends on your genes.... go slow otherwise   |
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Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:52 pm |
| Your skin looks normal to me. I have seen an 8 year old with more lines when he smiles. Don't worry. Also as a man, lines help to make you look distinguished. It's the women who worry about every line and wrinkle. |
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:31 pm |
| Hi Nate! I had the exact same issue w/ my eyes and smile lines when I turned 24 -- I used ISclinical pro-heal serum and they went away, literally w/in a few weeks. I'm almost 28 now and the eye lines are JUST starting to rear their ugliness again... |
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:00 pm |
| I have to add something here. There seems to be the misconception that retin A "thins" the skin. Yes it temporarily makes the epidermis-outer layer, thin, as it has an exfoliating effect. But over time, this normalizes. The dermis actually thickens over time with retin A. Collagen is increased. This can take over 6 months to kick in. With irritation and redness, and peeling, Retin-A takes time before you start seeing results. I would continue using it. There is so much data on Retin A that it's hard to ignore. They even did a study with 2 twins, one who used it for 20 years, and she looked way better than her twin. I think the wrinkles you experience are normal but maybe they are more than usual because your skin has been through the ringer. Pick a few products and give them a year to work. No more chemical peels, unless you choose to go off retin A. Retin A and chemical peels do not go together (i learned that the hard way). |
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:12 pm |
I forgot to add something. Make sure that you don't use emu oil over the retin A. retin A works better if you just use it alone.
Also, I should say that it's true that nothing works for everyone. But It works for many people, and if your skin can tolerate it, i would continue. Skin aging is all about collagen, so make sure that whatever you use boosts collagen. Moisturizers are great but they usually just temprarily puff out lines. If you wanted to use retin A and emu, i would rotate one day emu, one day retin A.
What kind of sunscreen are you using? There are so many bad sunscreens out there. I used one for a whole year that I later found out was not stable and had bad UVA protection. I also wear sunscreen indoors since 90% of UVA rays gets through windows. |
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:00 pm |
| wow! thanks for all the comments...makes me feel better. Anyway, i use Retin A for acne purposes...not necessarily for anti aging reasons although its always good to start early! |
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:12 pm |
| which sunscrean are you using now anovanovis........and how do you know its not bad as the others in terms of stability etc? |
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age 33 .. skin dry with odd breakout now and then. skin color best i can describe is golden brown..tans easily |
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:12 pm |
I just went to pull up a picture of my 20 week old daughter smiling to make sure that she also has lines, and she does.
When she smiles hardcore there are lines under her eyes and around the corners of her eyes.
Not as many as I have (i am 24) or as many as you have, but, we are MUCH older. So I would say this is normal. |
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Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:32 pm |
Hi simran. Here is a really good site that you can use as a starting point on sunscreen info:
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/special/sunscreens2008/index.php
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http://www.smartskincare.com/skinprotection/sunblocks/
I used to use a sunscreen with Avobenzone. It was spf 20. This is a really unstable product that degrades quickly under the sun.
Basically to sum it up, UVA protection in US sunscreens is generally poor, compared to sunscreen in Europe. The FDA takes a really long time to approve effective ingredients that have been used Europe for years, under their extremely high safety standards. In Europe sunscreen must have a UVA rating not just UVB like in the US.
The best ingredients in the world for UVA protection are currently Mexoryl and Tinsorb. Harder to find in the US, especially the latter. These ingredients are stable, and also very effective at blocking the UVA spectrum. Some sunscreens do not actually block out all different lengths of UVA light! (there are short waves, long waves, etc).
There are some disadvantages with these ingredients though. Mexoryl can be shiney. It makes my pores look kind of big. I prefer Tinsorb. It is less irritating, and very matt, at least in the sunscreen I use. Rub it in well. It doesn't layer very well if you have several products under it to be honest. But knowing that UVA rays cause 80% of aging to the face, I'm very willing to put up with that.
I use Avene emulsion "very high protection" 50+ or "very high protection" cream 50+. It is in a orange bottle. I order it fromwww.leguidesante.com which is in france. its pretty cheap but shipping is expensive. There are also antioxidants in it. Another good brand to check out besides Avene is La Roche Posay. You can find Avene and L.R.P is the states but honestly the european formulations are generally better. La Roche Posay Canada has some good formulations. |
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Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:38 pm |
| natefan87 wrote: |
Okay, HELP! Im 21 and im obsessed with my skin.
I use retin A and Emu Oil currently and obviously sunscreen during the day.
whats going on here????
u can ttoally see the crinkling up of my skin when i smile, and i think this has to do with thin skin (im not really sure, just a hypothesis since last year i went way crazy with the peels...)
what can i do to fix this?? i cant afford botoz and frankly, at 21 it shouldnt even be a thought. |
I think your skin looks just fine. Be advised there is NOTHING on this planet that will get rid of fine lines and wrinkles. I think you have great looking skin. |
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:10 am |
| Your face looks completely normal to me too - your skin looks good |
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Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:48 pm |
| Those are not wrinkles, just laugh lines, keep on using Retin A would help for sure.. |
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