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Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:17 am |
Thanks Shasta girl for your feedback.
I have read a couple posts about people not being able to dissolve the ascorbic acid.
I've have tried several brands in my local health food store and finally found a ascorbic acid powder that dissolves in seconds.. just a few shakes and no white residue on my skin. It is Country Life's Vitamin C Crystals.
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:13 am |
rollergal wrote: |
I think that vitamin C oxidise with metal? --- is this true? I bought the metal spoon one ;( wrong decision
My vit c serum, leave white residue when applied to skin.. like powdery.. and a bit sticky like 'salt water' when it's still wet. is this normal? So far I only mix it with distilled water and witch hazel (cos the other ingds not arrived yet) |
I think if you are using stainless steal measuring spoons that are accurate, the small amount of time and the fact they are stainless steal you really don't have anything to worry about! Ascorbic Acid will react more likely if you used copper or lead which I seriously doubt your spoons are made of! This is my opinion of course, with a good deal of research behind it, plastic is a safe choice if you feel concerned!
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Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:09 pm |
Hi all, please use only liquid vitamin C, Ascorbyl Tretaisopalmitate, also known as Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate.
Ascorbic acid and L ascorbyl are both very very unstable, typically start turning brown in a few days and becomes completely useless. They also exist in acidic form which is quite irritating.
The "new" liquid Vit C is much more easily absorbed, much more stable and it's not acidic. Just add it to your favourite ready-made creams 5% to 10% and enjoy all the great benefits.
TanyaB, essential oils are best used in a carrier oil or carrier oil blend. That way, it's 100% natural and won't interfere with other ingredients. Simply apply 2-5 drops of diluted essential oil blend into dampen skin using your palms. Then apply the cream (with or without the vitamin C incorporated). The ingredients from the cream could penetrate deeper as the essential oils draw them along and into the the skin. |
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:30 am |
arielstar08 wrote: |
Ascorbic acid and L ascorbyl are both very very unstable, typically start turning brown in a few days and becomes completely useless. They also exist in acidic form which is quite irritating.
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I made C serum with ascorbic acid around 25th November and it doesn't show any signs of oxidation. It is whitish as it was at first day. So, it is not such unstable at all, but I must make new one because I have just a few drops left.
Let's stirring |
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:15 am |
*mirjana* wrote: |
arielstar08 wrote: |
Ascorbic acid and L ascorbyl are both very very unstable, typically start turning brown in a few days and becomes completely useless. They also exist in acidic form which is quite irritating.
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I made C serum with ascorbic acid around 25th November and it doesn't show any signs of oxidation. It is whitish as it was at first day. So, it is not such unstable at all, but I must make new one because I have just a few drops left.
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That's the way most do it just making enough for a 1-2 weak supply kept in a dark bottle and refrigerate for good measure!
Happy mixing!
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Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:19 am |
From wikipedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid?wasRedirected=true
Ascorbic acid
This article is about the molecular aspects of ascorbic acid. For information about its role in nutrition, see Vitamin C.
L-Ascorbic acid
IUPAC name
(5R)-[(1S)-1,2-dihydroxyethyl]-3,4-dihydroxyfuran-2(5H)-one
Other names Vitamin C
Identifiers
CAS number 50-81-7
PubChem 5785
EC number 200-066-2
ATC code A11GA01
SMILES
OC=1C(OC(=O)C=1O)[C@@H](O)CO
InChI
1/C6H8O6/c7-1-2(5-3(9)4(10)6(11)12-5/h2,5,7-10H,1H2/t2-,5?/m0/s1
InChI key CIWBSHSKHKDKBQ-SZSCBOSDBY
ChemSpider ID 17206850
Properties
Molecular formula C6H8O6
Molar mass 176.12 g mol−1
Appearance White or light yellow solid
Density 1.65 g/cm3
Melting point
190-192 °C, 463-465 K, 374-378 °F (decomp.)
Solubility in water 33 g/100 ml
Solubility in ethanol 2 g/100 ml
Solubility in glycerol 1 g/100 ml
Solubility in propylene glycol 5 g/100 ml
Solubility in [[{{{Solvent4}}}]] insoluble in diethyl ether, chloroform, benzene, petroleum ether, oils, fats, fat solvents
Acidity (pKa) 4.17 (first), 11.6 (second)
Hazards
MSDS External MSDS
LD50 11.9 g/kg (oral, rat)[1]
(what is this?) (verify)
Except where noted otherwise, data are given for materials in their standard state (at 25 °C, 100 kPa)
Infobox references
Ascorbic acid is a sugar acid with antioxidant properties. Its appearance is white to light-yellow crystals or powder, and it is water-soluble. One form of ascorbic acid is commonly known as vitamin C. The name is derived from a- (meaning "no") and scorbutus (scurvy), the disease caused by a deficiency of vitamin C. In 1937 the Nobel Prize for chemistry was awarded to Walter Haworth for his work in determining the structure of ascorbic acid (shared with Paul Karrer, who received his award for work on vitamins), and the prize for Physiology or Medicine that year went to Albert Szent-Györgyi for his studies of the biological functions of L-ascorbic acid. At the time of its discovery in the 1920s, it was called hexuronic acid by some researchers.[2] |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:16 am |
I know that vitamin c serum increases collagen so my question is if you put it in your lips would it plump them up? |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:27 am |
rosesandpeonies wrote: |
I know that vitamin c serum increases collagen so my question is if you put it in your lips would it plump them up? |
I never tried that! I'm using the NOTH lip plumper with good results after years of using Lip Fusion $$$. I just would think (may well be wrong) if it was suitable for the lips the majors would have come out with lip plumper's using ascorbic acid or a derivative? I guess this requires more research!
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:01 am |
^^Dark Moon, this is my theory on beauty companies using ascorbic acid as a derivative: if it is true that Vitamin C serum plumps lips after long term use, then perhaps the beauty companies don't put it in their products because to get results, one would need to use the product on a long term basis. Consumers today want instant results so they settle for lip plumpers which give them fuller lips immediately but is temporary.
I think I will try doing this on my lips and measure my progress after 6 months or so. I use it on my face daily, I may as well try it on my lips. |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:20 am |
I agree to some extent, however most of what we use including Vitamin C serums for the face work as long as we use them, if we stop eventually the skin reverts to the condition prior to use!
But hey it's worth a shot, if it doesn't dry or irritate your lips and works you might just have a new take on a product!
Keep us all posted, I know I won't be the only one interested in your results! Good luck! I really hope it works!
DM
rosesandpeonies wrote: |
^^Dark Moon, this is my theory on beauty companies using ascorbic acid as a derivative: if it is true that Vitamin C serum plumps lips after long term use, then perhaps the beauty companies don't put it in their products because to get results, one would need to use the product on a long term basis. Consumers today want instant results so they settle for lip plumpers which give them fuller lips immediately but is temporary.
I think I will try doing this on my lips and measure my progress after 6 months or so. I use it on my face daily, I may as well try it on my lips. |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:47 am |
Rosesandpeonies - Hello there. I suggest trying hyaluronic acid (100 mg) and this may help with lip plumping. It does for me.
Lips 2 Kiss (L2K) has a nice system that has helped a lot of people here have healthier, fuller (more pouty!) lips. Overall lots of raves. May be worth checking out. |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:34 am |
The HA also needs to be taken consistantly for results!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=hyaluronic+acid
Hyaluronan is a common ingredient in skin care products.
In 2003 the FDA approved hyaluronan injections for filling soft tissue defects such as facial wrinkles. Restylane is a common trade name for the product. Hyaluronan injections temporarily smooth wrinkles by adding volume under the skin, with effects typically lasting for six months.
Juvederm is non-animal-sourced Hyaluronic acid injectable filler, similar to Restylane but differing slightly in terms of effect and longevity. It is used for lip augmentation, reduction of folds and wrinkles as well as removal of scars. The effects of Juvederm treatments are also temporary, and costs are similar to that of Restylane.[90]
The presence of hyaluronic acid in epithelial tissue has been shown to promote keratinocyte proliferation and increase the presence of retinoic acid, effecting skin hydration. Hyaluronic acid's interaction with CD44 drives collagen synthesis and normal skin function. Present in the extracellular matrix of basal keratinocytes, hyaluronic acid is critical to the structural integrity of the dermal collagen matrix. These benefits make hyaluronic acid a very effective topical humectant, however results may only be sustained as part of an ongoing treatment program.[91]
Hyaluronan (also called hyaluronic acid or hyaluronate) is an anionic, non-sulfated glycosaminoglycan distributed widely throughout connective, epithelial, and neural tissues. It is unique among glycosaminoglycans in that it is unsulfated, forms in the plasma membrane instead of the Golgi and can be very large with its molecular weight often reaching the millions.[1] One of the chief components of the extracellular matrix, hyaluronan contributes significantly to cell proliferation and migration, and may also be involved in the progression of some malignant tumors. The average 70 kg (154 lbs) person has roughly 15 grams of hyaluronan in their body, one-third of which is turned over (degraded and synthesized) every day.[2] Hyaluronic acid is also a component of the group A streptococcal extracellular capsule,[3] and is believed to play a role in virulence.[4][5] |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:48 am |
sister sweets wrote: |
Rosesandpeonies - Hello there. I suggest trying hyaluronic acid (100 mg) and this may help with lip plumping. It does for me.
Lips 2 Kiss (L2K) has a nice system that has helped a lot of people here have healthier, fuller (more pouty!) lips. Overall lots of raves. May be worth checking out. |
I have read this advice many times at EDS but never understood it logically. Why would taking Hyaluronic Acid internally plump up the lips? HA is found throughout the body; why would an oral supplement suddenly rush to the lips and not be distributed elsewhere throughout our various tissues? Or does it actually go elsewhere as well .... do you puff up in other areas too? I have always thought these "results" were more psychological than physical. |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:53 am |
I also have to agree! Many also tried this to plump the lips and reported that it did nothing at all!
How do any supplements we take internally rush off to our skin? My understanding is our bodies will use what we consume wheather from food or supplements where they are most NEEDED by our bodies!
The fact that it MAY add to the proliferation of malignant tumors doesn't sit well either, this might not be a proven fact but I would just as soon err on the side of caution!
But that's just me!
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Lacy53 wrote: |
sister sweets wrote: |
Rosesandpeonies - Hello there. I suggest trying hyaluronic acid (100 mg) and this may help with lip plumping. It does for me.
Lips 2 Kiss (L2K) has a nice system that has helped a lot of people here have healthier, fuller (more pouty!) lips. Overall lots of raves. May be worth checking out. |
I have read this advice many times at EDS but never understood it logically. Why would taking Hyaluronic Acid internally plump up the lips? HA is found throughout the body; why would an oral supplement suddenly rush to the lips and not be distributed elsewhere throughout our various tissues? Or does it actually go elsewhere as well .... do you puff up in other areas too? I have always thought these "results" were more psychological than physical. |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:09 pm |
rosesandpeonies wrote: |
I know that vitamin c serum increases collagen so my question is if you put it in your lips would it plump them up? |
I don't think topical C would plump the lips (unless you are using the C with possibly a hyaluronic acid topical product). It may help with some of the lines on the lips (eventually), and may make the lips feel smoother, but that is all I would think it would do.
I will be interested in how your experiment goes though, rosesandpeonies! |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:45 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
rosesandpeonies wrote: |
I know that vitamin c serum increases collagen so my question is if you put it in your lips would it plump them up? |
I don't think topical C would plump the lips (unless you are using the C with possibly a hyaluronic acid topical product). It may help with some of the lines on the lips (eventually), and may make the lips feel smoother, but that is all I would think it would do.
I will be interested in how your experiment goes though, rosesandpeonies! |
I tend to agree with you Riley, but will
be interested as well to find out what it does actually do!
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:15 pm |
That link takes me to Beat the BREAK-UP Blues. I did manage to find the Eureka thread though; the exact question I asked was raised by vegas gal and never answered on the thread. I think this is the correct link for anyone interesting in reading Eureka -- I've found the ultimate lip plumper!!
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=3625 |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:33 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
rosesandpeonies wrote: |
I know that vitamin c serum increases collagen so my question is if you put it in your lips would it plump them up? |
I don't think topical C would plump the lips (unless you are using the C with possibly a hyaluronic acid topical product). It may help with some of the lines on the lips (eventually), and may make the lips feel smoother, but that is all I would think it would do.
I will be interested in how your experiment goes though, rosesandpeonies! |
I have accidently used my LAA serum directly on my lips while treating my above the lip lines. It stings! It also end up eating some of it LOL. LAA tends to do a lot of things, including exfoliating (when the concentration is high) for some people, as well as lightening pigmented skin. For those reasons, I would say avoid the lips when using a LAA serum. Mucous membranes are more sensitive than regular facial skin. Perhaps a C derivative would be a better choice for the lips? Perhaps an LAA serum could be used, but you may have to reduce the concentration? Not sure what the professional skincare companies do with respect to lips and vitamin C; it might be best to check out some professionally formulated products and then mimic them with a DIY serum. Good luck!! |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:34 pm |
Lacy53 wrote: |
I have accidently used my LAA serum directly on my lips while treating my above the lip lines. It stings! It also end up eating some of it LOL. |
I've applied it to my lips, and it does not sting my lips. I did not do this but a couple of times as I was not comfortable with the idea of ingesting it! |
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Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:01 pm |
I put a homemade 15% solution on my lips everyday. Not for any reason except that I cover my whole face with it.
I can say that it doesn't sting or make my lips fuller. |
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Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:52 pm |
Hello, first time poster here.
I've been doing tons of research to try and make my own vitamin c serum. I do not want to use glycerin, propylene glycol or any sort of alcohol.
I tried to find a formula using the following..
L-ascorbic acid powder
distilled water
hyaluronic acid
Can this work? Also, could I maybe add vitamin E oil? I've looked at so many different recipes and none really match what I had in mind so maybe this formula won't work. I already know I need a pH around 2.5 for it to absorb into my skin, how to store, shelf life, etc. I just would prefer HA than any other moisturizing agent.
Thanks for any help/advice! |
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Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:00 pm |
This was asked earlier on in the thread and here in the quote below is a recipe from 2005. I hope this is what you are looking for!
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Skippie wrote: |
shellybutorac,
I was reading through some posts from 2005 and a member named "quacko" posted this recipe which sounds like one you might be able to use:
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I used this recipe from Lolli (posted here at DIY).
Here it is:
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rosebud, I'm making my own with reversed osmosis water, Natural Source L-ascorbic acid and hyaluronic acid serum, I mix up 1/4 teaspoon of l-ascorbic crystals with 3/4 teaspoon water until dissolved then add a teaspoon of hyaluronic acid serum I think my formula is at about 12% vit c.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=51323#51323 |
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Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:11 pm |
SandraD4880 wrote: |
Hello, first time poster here.
I've been doing tons of research to try and make my own vitamin c serum. I do not want to use glycerin, propylene glycol or any sort of alcohol.
I tried to find a formula using the following..
L-ascorbic acid powder
distilled water
hyaluronic acid
Can this work? Also, could I maybe add vitamin E oil? I've looked at so many different recipes and none really match what I had in mind so maybe this formula won't work. I already know I need a pH around 2.5 for it to absorb into my skin, how to store, shelf life, etc. I just would prefer HA than any other moisturizing agent.
Thanks for any help/advice! |
Adding the vitamin E to what you have in mind is a very good thing, but you need something to emulsify it or the oil will just rise to the top..
I use "SKB" (Sea Kelp Bioferment) in most of my C serums, which actually has *acted* as an emulsifier to incorporate the vitamin E...
You can just use the L-AA, distilled water and HA as a stand alone serum, but I would then recommend that you apply a thin layer of vitamin E oil over it..
For a 15% serum you could try;
1 tsp L-AA
1 oz distilled water
You would then use part of the 1oz of distilled water to dissolve/incorporate the required HA for a final concentration of 1% HA.
Once the HA has formed a thinnish gel, you would slowly incorporate it into your dissolved L-AA/distilled water stage..
You would definitely need to keep this refrigerated, and use within a week, because you have no preservation power with just these ingredients.
Adding vitamin E + Ferulic Acid to this C serum would give you not only some preservative qualities, but also give you an 8% SPF boost.. And of course you will always get better mileage with antioxidants when you *team* them up.. They aren't meant to be lone rangers..
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