Just vile- treatment of women.
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enjoys freebies · Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:18 pm Quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26223335/

enjoys freebies · Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:41 am Quote

It really is heartbreaking how women are treated in so many countries under Islamic rule, or an Islamic majority. And all of these barbarities upon women, while not exactly sanctioned within the Quran, are allowed to persist because of the fact that the script indicates women are inferior to men.

I'm no moral relativist. Some things are just wrong, no matter where or what culture. And this is wrong. I hope someday women in these countries will be treated with equal rights and compassion, but I don't see it happening soon. Religious extremism is getting worse, not better.

enjoys freebies · Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:08 am Quote

Yeah- it's just so sickening, it's at the point where I don't want to know what is going on in those places. I'm also not a moral relativist. But the acid in the face- that's sick on so many levels. It's incredible that this kind of violence comes from family- husbands in general it looks like. I'm also reading it as saying that all a woman has of value is her appearance so the disfigurement is supposed to destroy her.

Basically I agree- anytime a person has power over another, there is potential for abuse. Someone can argue that (I'm not arguing this) "good men" would never do this, so most of the time it's not so bad for a man to have power over his wife. But the potential for abuse is there. Then again there are those who'll argue that it's ok for a man to hit his wife, as long as it's not too hard and as long as she really deserves it. There are those who argue it's their culture. Again, I really am not a moral relativist. As long as there is the slightest potential for abuse there will be abuse.

athena123 wrote:

It really is heartbreaking how women are treated in so many countries under Islamic rule, or an Islamic majority. And all of these barbarities upon women, while not exactly sanctioned within the Quran, are allowed to persist because of the fact that the script indicates women are inferior to men.

I'm no moral relativist. Some things are just wrong, no matter where or what culture. And this is wrong. I hope someday women in these countries will be treated with equal rights and compassion, but I don't see it happening soon. Religious extremism is getting worse, not better.

enjoys freebies · Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:41 pm Quote

Nimue, it seems easier to close our eyes against horrors that occur so far away, but when you realize that some of these same barbaric practices are reaching our American shores, we need to open them.

Honor killings have occurred in the United states because in these societies, a woman's honor is more important than anything else. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391531,00.html

Hence, any perception that a woman is betraying the honor of family gives justification for death and abuse. I'm more than happy to open our arms to Muslims and people of all faiths. But religious practice should not ever override secular law. Never. Not once, because this is the door that could be opened.

enjoys freebies · Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:13 pm Quote

I would not say that my eyes are closed. I meant that I don't like to think about horrors all the time, which probably goes for most people. I posted this particular story on this forum because it provided this horrific contrast. This forum- all about beauty. Somehow, those women profiled in the article most wanted to work in the beauty industry. What else struck me- one of the women mentioned that the day before she had acid thrown in her face, she was freaking out a about a pimple.

I'm with you- I'm all for secularism. Restrictions on a woman's right to abortion are terrifying to me, and that's also an example of religion influencing secular law, and in the end, it's the women's rights that are curtailed.

athena123 wrote:

Nimue, it seems easier to close our eyes against horrors that occur so far away, but when you realize that some of these same barbaric practices are reaching our American shores, we need to open them.

Honor killings have occurred in the United states because in these societies, a woman's honor is more important than anything else. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391531,00.html

Hence, any perception that a woman is betraying the honor of family gives justification for death and abuse. I'm more than happy to open our arms to Muslims and people of all faiths. But religious practice should not ever override secular law. Never. Not once, because this is the door that could be opened.

enjoys freebies · Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:15 am Quote

It's sad how such countries are living in barbaric times...they haven't progressed like we or the US have...

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