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Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:09 am  |
Okay...I'm confused here...(not a strange state for me to be in  )
I've read so many conflicting statements about the "health" of silicone in products...both facial and hair.
If you go to a natural skin care site, they hate silicone and say this...
"Silicone emollients are occlusive - that is they coat the skin, trapping anything beneath it, and do not allow the skin to breathe (much like plastic wrap would do.) Recent studies have indicated that prolonged exposure of the skin to sweat, by occlusion, causes skin irritation. Some synthetic emollients are known tumour promoters and accumulate in the liver and lymph nodes. They are also non-biodegradable, causing negative environmental impact.· Dimethicone · Dimethicone Copolyol · Cyclomethicone"
Now if you go to someone who uses Silicone in their products like Jane Iredale, you'd get a completely different story:
"Made from sand (silica) that is a combination of minerals but largely comprised of quartz. This state-of-the-art ingredient replaces the need for oils and is the coating on our micronized titanium dioxide. Dimethicone aids spreading, is transfer resistant and imparts a remarkable smoothness and creaminess to the overall product. It also improves coverage without adding heaviness. And, it is non-comedogenic and highly water repellent. It gives micronized titanium dioxide the highest light refractive ability of any titanium. This outstanding ingredient is one of the driving forces behind the creative evolution of color cosmetics.
In a recent medical article titled "Effective Sunscreen Ingredients and Cutaneous Irritation in Patients with Rosacea," Dr. Nichols and colleagues found that the addition of silicon-based protectants (dimethicone and cyclomethicone) into sunscreens greatly reduced facial irritation that rosacea sufferers experienced to these products. The physicians performed this study because in their medical experience patients with rosacea are particularly susceptible to irritation caused by sunscreen ingredients.
The results of the study demonstrate that in addition to their protective actions, dimethicone and cyclomethicone were found to have excellent moisturizing actions."
Wow...two VERY different stories! I know I hate silicone in hair products...probably because there's so much in them, and they seem to "grease-up" the facial skin around my hairline and make my hair look flat and oily (have dry hair). But then again, I don't have a problem with JI products and other facial products that contain dimethicone, cyclomethicone, etc, at all.
What do you all think? Any experiences with the silicones?
Thanks, Cathy |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:35 am |
hi Cathy! 
Silicone breakouts out alot of people, if it doesn't break you out, it gives *slip* to alot of products like foundation primers and foundations. I don't use it everyday and it doesn't seem to break me out, but when I want a smoooother surface I will use it. |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:12 am |
 interesting.
I know in the Benefit range it's in the Dr.Feelgood and I have used it in the past before apply foundation because if you have open pores it sort of acts like Polyfiller (For our us cousins I think it's called Spackle ) |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:57 am |
silicone is not the same as silica or even silicon! If ya want the science here is a site! if not, then basically silicon (no 'e') is an element found in oxides and silicates
Silica is silica dioxide or sand
SiliconE is a synthetic polymer and is not natural but is made out if silicon. Now, I hope that you fully understand. I WILL be setting homework on this next week 
Liz 
http://www.silicone-review.gov.uk/silicone/ |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:22 am |
| Silicone and silica are totally different things. Silicone tends to clog a lot of people's pores. I can't stand the artificial slippery texture myself, and products containing silicones almost always clog my pores overnight. |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:37 am |
| Personally, the silicones in products today do not clog my skin. I love the feel of it. When I really want a smooth texture, I use silicone-based products. Smash Box's Photo Finish is PURE silicone....Imagine, a $40 bottle of silicone. Wonder if I could add it to other products to improve texture and slip? |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:30 pm |
| Silicones in makeup (ie Max Factor Colour Adapt) do clog my pores, but I loved the way the foundation looked otherwise. I now use glycolic lotion each night and have no problems any more,in fact my skin is a lot calmer than it used to be. |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:38 pm |
Okay...now I'm even more confused. I read the reference guapagirl gave us(thanks!) but I truly believe these two chemicals are related...take a look at this:
"Synonyms
Polydimethylsiloxane (PDMS),
Dimethicone,
Cyclomethicone,
Cetyl dimethicone,
Cyclopentasiloxane,
Silicone oil
Description
Silicones are a large group of compounds that include large polymers containing silicon. Depending on the formula and the degree of polymerization and cross-linking of the polymers, they may be slippery liquids, waxes, or rubbers.
Uses
Silicones are used as emollients (skin softeners), as lubricants, as thickeners, and as volatile liquids that make coatings feel smooth, but evaporate without leaving a greasy residue. "
And even Jane Iredale intersperces the use of silicon:"...silicon-based protectants (dimethicone and cyclomethicone)...". So is Silicon the "earth" ingredient, and Silicone a petroleum bastard of Silicon? Don't know, but this has definitely been an eye opener. Still would like to avoid SiliconE if I can!
Thanks All!
Cathy
PS. Oops...that's what you were saying, wasn't it, that the two elements are related...didn't read guapagirl's post correctly. So, is Jane Iredale using a "questionable" ingredient in her foundations? |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:40 pm |
| Oh...and Homework!....Shiver!.... |
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:40 pm |
What about the Signature Club A that advertises on HSN (Home Shopping Network). It is makeup and pre-makeup products that fill in very mature womans lines and wrinkles Silicone). It is very inexpensive. I just got the idea it would be like plaster on you face and when you smiled it would crack. 
Has anyone tried this product? I can't seem to find any reviews on it.
Thanks,
Winnie
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:20 pm |
Hey Winnie....
When you get the answer on that question, I want to know.
JUDY |
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:42 am |
| just had to add the thumbs up for the photofinish - it does what is says on the tin - softens the look of fine lines & pores and makes your foundation look smooth. I don't care what's in it for a night out. |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:35 pm |
So, do you understand it, Cathy?
I don't. Help me.
What is Dimethicone made of?
Some say it made of silicone (plastic).
And, other say made of silica (mineral).
Are there two kind of dimethicones?
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:02 pm |
| I use mineral sunscreen which contains silicone ...honestly i have not seen any irritation in my skin...no rashes or anything and my skin is ultra sensitive. if anything my skin is softer and i actually prefer wearing the sunscreen because my skin feels like a baby's bottom...i dont break out from it either. sweat can irritate the skin no matter what...so i wouldnt believe everything you read... |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:06 pm |
Thanks Tipu
So funny...I have HD TV now (every detail shows up). Unbelievable how they plaster the makeup on the models on HSN. The average person wouldn't leave their house looking like that. I would rather have a few wrinkles then look like I have a mask on.  |
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Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:21 pm |
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| So funny...I have HD TV now (every detail shows up). Unbelievable how they plaster the makeup on the models on HSN. The average person wouldn't leave their house looking like that. I would rather have a few wrinkles then look like I have a mask on. |
LOL...I couldn't agree more. My husband talked about us getting hdtv for a while but the thing that finally made me say, "Yes" was when I heard that the detail was so good that you'd be able to see that even movie stars have pores like the rest of us. It's true!
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Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:07 am |
Theres lot of info swirling around the internet, mainly misinformation on cosmetic ingredients. The cosmetic dictionary from Ruth Winters book or cosmetics cop website are the only ones that have integrity. These people do their research complete with references:
Silicone. Substance derived from silica (sand is a silica). The unique fluid properties of silicone give it a great deal of slip and in its various forms it can feel like silk on the skin, impart emolliency, and be a water-binding agent that holds up well, even when skin becomes wet. In other forms, it is also used extensively for wound healing and for improving the appearance of scars (Source: Journal of Wound Care, July 2000, pages 319–324).
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