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Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:21 pm |
Mars - yes, your red light is bringing out hyperpigmentation. I had the same problem with my original LightStim, although I loved its tightening effects.
Whether the red lights cause it or just bring previous damage to the surface doesn't really matter to those of us who find freckles where there weren't any before.
I got an amber/red LightStim Anti-Aging light to see if it makes a difference - too early to tell on that.
Mineral makeup camouflages the color differences decently. Even with the spots underneath, people mention how great my skin looks. It does - it looks bright and smooth. I think it's the effect of the lights, so I won't stop using. |
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Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:29 pm |
I've had the opposite effect on my skin. It's actually a good 3 shades lighter than when I started the AALS in Feb..
Wonder if it has to do with the kind/color/type skin we have to start with..
Mine was on the sallow/dull side, with sun damage/hyperpigmentation only on the neck + chest...Also just a couple of freckle/age spots on my hands.....All is eradicated now, and my facial skin just keeps getting paler.
When I finally broke down and bought an MMU to use as a sunscreen, the second from lightest color was a tad too dark.... Once upon a time, I used the 4th from lightest color... |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:08 am |
My first posting here. I just ordered from LEDman, and I am in the waiting mode now. I asked Dr Pickart about LED use and his SRCPs and he said they go together good. |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:58 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
My first posting here. I just ordered from LEDman, and I am in the waiting mode now. I asked Dr Pickart about LED use and his SRCPs and he said they go together good. |
Dazed, welcome to EDS!
What did you order? We would love to hear all the juicy details! |
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:02 pm |
Bethany, I just purchased the 120 LED Hand Held unit for $130. |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:04 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
Bethany, I just purchased the 120 LED Hand Held unit for $130. |
Dazed, did you get red/infrared, amber, blue, green, or a combo?
What are you trying to treat with your LED? |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:52 am |
Bethany, I got the Red/Infrared, and I am dealing both with aging and acne scars. I have had one treatment of Fraxel Repair and I am scheduling a 2nd in Jan 2009. I believe this might aid in the recovery. |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:14 am |
Dazed wrote: |
Bethany, I got the Red/Infrared, and I am dealing both with aging and acne scars. I have had one treatment of Fraxel Repair and I am scheduling a 2nd in Jan 2009. I believe this might aid in the recovery. |
Welcome Dazed!
The red/infrared should be very good to *help* ease the inflamation of fraxel.
The blue (acne), and amber (skintone + collagen), might have been a better option for the other issues..
Is it too late to 'tweak' your order.. Maybe he could add another wavelength in there..
I know for acne it must involve the 'blue' diodes, and used daily to kill the bacteria.
Wishing you great success here at EDS! Please share all the "juicy details" as Beth pointed out .. |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:30 am |
Kassy_A, I am not dealing with any active acne, so I didn't think the other colors would be useful. |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:25 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
Kassy_A, I am not dealing with any active acne, so I didn't think the other colors would be useful. |
Well that rules out the need for "blue", so that's good..
Red/Amber/Infrared are the real powerhouses, for everything else I think! |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:31 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
Bethany, I got the Red/Infrared, and I am dealing both with aging and acne scars. I have had one treatment of Fraxel Repair and I am scheduling a 2nd in Jan 2009. I believe this might aid in the recovery. |
The red/infrared will definitely help reduce any inflammation from the Fraxel process. But keep in mind that part of what Fraxel does is create numerous small wounds under the skin, and inflammation is a VERY important part of the wound healing cascade. Inflammation helps triggers the release of various enzymes and growth factors that are required for the development of collagen...if you reduce the inflammation too quickly, you may lose out on some of the Fraxel benefits. I would personally not use the LED for at least a full week after your treatment. |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:22 pm |
Bethany, thanks. I will actually lay off the LED for at least a month after the Re:pair, as the LED is more for the aging than for the scars. I also use the 1.55mm Dr Roller weekly along with SRCPs from Skin Biology. |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:36 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
Bethany, thanks. I will actually lay off the LED for at least a month after the Re:pair, as the LED is more for the aging than for the scars. I also use the 1.55mm Dr Roller weekly along with SRCPs from Skin Biology. |
You are rolling with a 1.50mm roller weekly?
Are you doing a series of 6 rolls and planning to take at least 3 months off, or are you rolling every week? |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:41 pm |
Bethany, I have been rolling weekly for about 12 weeks. I should probably take some time off in preparation for the Re:pair. I have heard varying opinions on the use of the roller. What do you think is the best routine? |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:58 pm |
Hi, chinachatters, I just read your reply about the red lights bringing out my hyperpigmentation. I'm eager to hear about your results using amber.
Dazed, good luck with your lights! |
_________________ 65 Caucasion, history of acne, sagging, some wrinkling, rough texture. Using Dermawand, AALS, Microderm Machine,Copper Peptides |
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:57 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
Bethany, I have been rolling weekly for about 12 weeks. I should probably take some time off in preparation for the Re:pair. I have heard varying opinions on the use of the roller. What do you think is the best routine? |
Why don't you pop on over to the Dermarolling thread and I'll answer your question there.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=22460&start=2400 |
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Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:37 pm |
Hi Mars. It's been a couple of months, at least. You know time flies when you're getting old.
I think the patches of freckles could be fading - if so, it's probably the light. I haven't used Vitamin C for a while, because I keep forgetting to mix my serum, so that may be part of the improvement, too. For all the wonderful bleaching, healing and protecting Vit C does, it makes my skin sun sensitive. Plus it smells like a hot hand full of pennies.
I'm not at all sure that the amount of exposure I've had over the years with different levels of LED light might not have contributed to the problem.
The derm thought I was crazy when I mentioned that some other difficulties - syringomas under my eyes - seemed to develop rapidly, just after I started wearing eyeglasses at the computer. My scientific brain decided the lenses were magnifying the light.
Kassy, i'm sure it depends on the skin type. Mine is thin and pale. You know what, though - I still have no wrinkles at all. That's the light treatments. Before I got my first LightStim I was seeing fine creases on my forehead. I'd rather have spots there than wrinkles, if I can't have a china plate complexion. |
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Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:10 pm |
I have been combining Vivite Vibrance with the Obagi C-Rx Clarifying Serum (with 4% HQ), and using my green LED a couple of times a week....I definitely seeing some significant lightening with this combination. |
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Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:39 pm |
I looked at this website and it looks like his blue lights are 470nm, I thought the wavelength for getting rid of acne was around 415 or 420nm blue light? Has anyone tried the blue light, and how did it work for acne? |
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Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:51 am |
Just got today a red/infrared, amber, blue, combo for my son's terrible acne.
Couldn't be happier with the machine and V was so helpful! |
_________________ 54 fair skin green eyes, some fine lines. |
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Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:41 pm |
Just got my 660/880 120 LED array and I have tried it for 5 minutes on each side.
Bethany, I have stopped the rolling and will stay off for at least 2-3 months. I have Fraxel Re:pair scheduled for Jan 8, and I will also not use the LED for a while after that procedure. |
_________________ "Imagination frames events unknown, In wild fantastic shapes of hideous ruin, And what it fears, creates." Hannah More |
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Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:12 pm |
Dazed wrote: |
Just got my 660/880 120 LED array and I have tried it for 5 minutes on each side.
Bethany, I have stopped the rolling and will stay off for at least 2-3 months. I have Fraxel Re:pair scheduled for Jan 8, and I will also not use the LED for a while after that procedure. |
Cool...keep us posted!
Actually, you might want to start a new thread under the Skincare and Makeup forum called "Fraxel Repair" because I know a lot of other people would like to hear about it too! |
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:53 am |
hihi! i'm thinking of getting red/infrared, blue and amber LEDs (all in different panals) from him as its much cheaper!
i've emailed him and we had a few email correspondences already.
i asked him about the output and wavelengths for each light (especially for blue and amber cause i haven't found the answer), and below is his reply:
"the 880nm lights put out 26 mw per square cm or more (i presume its infrared as per my example to him)
the 660mm lights put out about 23 mw per square cm (i presume its red as per my example to him)
the blue 458 - 465nm put out about 50 mw per square cm
the yellow 590nm put out about 12 mw per square cm"
i know nuts about all this physics stuff, so i would like to ask
1) how similar or different is it for devices like LS and PL?
2) what are the implications from this specs? eg. is it too powerful or not powerful etc
3) wavelengths are fixed for the different colours right?
sorry if my questions are silly, i really do not know!
thank you for all your time! |
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:39 pm |
Zhenz, Mpstat is the resident math wizard...hopefully she will come along. I think the general consensus is that V's units are weaker than the ProLight and AALS.
But I can tell you that my green LED from V puts off a TON of heat, so I really do not think that it is something you really need to worry about. I also find it much more convenient to use than my Prolight because the LED area is larger.
The key is to USE whatever you get regularly. |
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:01 pm |
Will "V" make it to order, if you request certain specific wavelengths?
For instance, if I wanted 600nm rather than the typical 590nm for amber, would/could he get it?
I'd consider getting a larger panel type model if I can get the wavelengths I want. |
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