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free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:47 am

Keliu wrote:

tessera wrote:

I,[meaning me, Tess], haven't been able to find any information on the temperature to which STOP heats the collagen. Does anyone else have that? Also, I don't get how repeated treatments at a lower temperature can equate to fewer treatments at a higher temperature, given that the collagen response varies dependent on the temperature.

I think you have hit on the "six million dollar question".

I had sent Ultragen a couple of questions yesterday for Dr. Azar, so I just wrote back and asked for the optimal temp that STOP is trying to maintain.

I'll let you know what I hear back!

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:18 pm

bethany wrote:

I had sent Ultragen a couple of questions yesterday for Dr. Azar, so I just wrote back and asked for the optimal temp that STOP is trying to maintain.

I'll let you know what I hear back!

Excellent, thanks!

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:38 pm

This is on the STOP website under clinical papers.

http://www.stop-age.com/clinical-papers.php

Method: A 31 year old woman having normal weight and waist size underwent 8 weekly TriPollar RF treatments using the regen™ system. Each treatment session lasted 45 minutes, initial skin temperature in the treatment area was 29oC and at the end of each treatment session increased to 40oC.

Note - this was for a body treatment. I wonder whether the face requires a different range of temperatures.

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:36 pm

Keliu wrote:

This is on the STOP website under clinical papers.

http://www.stop-age.com/clinical-papers.php

Method: A 31 year old woman having normal weight and waist size underwent 8 weekly TriPollar RF treatments using the regen™ system. Each treatment session lasted 45 minutes, initial skin temperature in the treatment area was 29oC and at the end of each treatment session increased to 40oC.

Note - this was for a body treatment. I wonder whether the face requires a different range of temperatures.

I assume the facial treatments are lower....they would have to be to avoid the fat loss.

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:56 pm

bethany wrote:

I assume the facial treatments are lower....they would have to be to avoid the fat loss.

That is what I would presume. However, skin has to be heated to a certain temperature to enable collagen denaturing.

A known property of collagen fibers, such as those found in the skin, is that the fibers shrink when elevated to a temperature in the range of 60 to 70 degrees Celsius, which is about 30 degrees Celsius above normal body temperature. Temperature elevation ruptures the collagen ultrastructural stabilizing cross-links, and results in immediate contraction in the collagen fibers to about one-third of their original length without changing the structural integrity of the fibers.
http://www.freshpatents.com/Method-and-apparatus-for-treating-wrinkles-in-skin-using-radiation-dt20081030ptan20080269733.php

Whether the Tri-Pollar technology works on a different principal, I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait to hear from Dr. Azar - I'll be very interested to hear what he has to say about this.

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:33 pm

Probably it is mentioned somewhere in the thread but I missed it. At what age can one start using STOP?

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:48 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

Probably it is mentioned somewhere in the thread but I missed it. At what age can one start using STOP?

I don't remember reading about any age restrictions anywhere. But according to the clinical studies for Tri-Pollar RF treatments were carried out on people aged between 18 and 65.
Method Subjects enrolled in the study were healthy female patients between the ages of 18-65 with lax and excess fatty facial, neck and abdominal skin were recruited for the study.
http://www.stop-age.com/clinical-papers.php

free skin care · Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:03 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

Probably it is mentioned somewhere in the thread but I missed it. At what age can one start using STOP?

I would say at any age that one is smart enough to use it responsibly.

Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:59 pm

InkyProse wrote:

Well, I'm going to wait several months, at least, before ordering the POSE. I want to see others' responses. Also, I'm wondering if the fat that the POSE helps you take off will be replaced immediately upon eating.
Question

Inky

Well if you are not eating properly and exercising it will not assist much in getting rid of problem areas. I know we are want a miracle, but even miracles need a little assistance from the body they are trying to help. From my understanding is if you eat and keep to your same rountine you will see results and if you take it even further and do a bit of exercise and eating properly, the results will be even more dramatic...this is in the TriPollar technology information. I think it gives us a great chance with a little will power to get the best out of our bodies for summer and there after. At least that's my plan...South of Spain, end of summer, two piece bikini...oh mama. Again I am too excited to receive it.

free skin care · Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:34 am

41yearsyoung wrote:

Again I am too excited to receive it.

Where did you order from?

free skin care · Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:25 am

bethany wrote:

InkyProse wrote:

Well, I'm going to wait several months, at least, before ordering the POSE. I want to see others' responses. Also, I'm wondering if the fat that the POSE helps you take off will be replaced immediately upon eating.
Question

Inky

Inky - the POSE tightens the collagen and skin. Eating has nothing to do with it, unless you overeat and gain weight.

You might want to read the "How does it work" section on their website.

Bethany

You might want to check this out:

Waist Circumference Reduction by TriPollar™ RF
Treatment: A Case Report

http://www.stop-age.com/userfiles/Dr_Bril's%20whitepaper(1).pdf

(It looks like what this guy calls a waist, we would call the upper his area.)

free skin care · Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:26 am

41yearsyoung wrote:

InkyProse wrote:

Well, I'm going to wait several months, at least, before ordering the POSE. I want to see others' responses. Also, I'm wondering if the fat that the POSE helps you take off will be replaced immediately upon eating.
Question

Inky

Well if you are not eating properly and exercising it will not assist much in getting rid of problem areas. I know we are want a miracle, but even miracles need a little assistance from the body they are trying to help. From my understanding is if you eat and keep to your same rountine you will see results and if you take it even further and do a bit of exercise and eating properly, the results will be even more dramatic...this is in the TriPollar technology information. I think it gives us a great chance with a little will power to get the best out of our bodies for summer and there after. At least that's my plan...South of Spain, end of summer, two piece bikini...oh mama. Again I am too excited to receive it.

There's a catch to everything, eh? Cool

free skin care · Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:43 am

bethany wrote:

Keliu wrote:

This is on the STOP website under clinical papers.

http://www.stop-age.com/clinical-papers.php

Method: A 31 year old woman having normal weight and waist size underwent 8 weekly TriPollar RF treatments using the regen™ system. Each treatment session lasted 45 minutes, initial skin temperature in the treatment area was 29oC and at the end of each treatment session increased to 40oC.

Note - this was for a body treatment. I wonder whether the face requires a different range of temperatures.

I assume the facial treatments are lower....they would have to be to avoid the fat loss.

Yes, I don't think the STOP is designed to make you lose fat. I haven't studied the two instruments, per se, I have just given the info a light read, but what I do remember reading was that the distance between the electrodes determines how deep into the dermis will be the effect. From that, I'm assuming the electrodes will be placed farther apart on the POSE than the STOP

free skin care · Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:36 am

Inky I can't get that link to open...

free skin care · Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:20 am

Mishey wrote:

Inky I can't get that link to open...

Mishey, you have to highlight the link and paste it into your browser.

Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:42 pm

catski wrote:

After you have used it for six weeks, then what happens?

Are there going to be lots of used ones for sale and swap?!

Well if you are speaking about the STOP, I figure we never stop ageing so at some point you will want to start the full treatment again say in another year. And with the POSE, I do not see ever not needing a touch up on different body parts...the way the body starts to do its own thing after 40, I know I have at least 3 main trouble spots that I will begin with, luv handles, saddle bags and bat wings. And those are just the start for now...I am sure my body will have a mind of it own just like my face as the years pass. Very unfortunate. But I am still excited. Wink

free skin care · Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:45 pm

41yearsyoung wrote:

Well if you are speaking about the STOP, I figure we never stop ageing so at some point you will want to start the full treatment again say in another year. And with the POSE, I do not see ever not needing a touch up on different body parts...the way the body starts to do its own thing after 40, I know I have at least 3 main trouble spots that I will begin with, luv handles, saddle bags and bat wings. And those are just the start for now...I am sure my body will have a mind of it own just like my face as the years pass. Very unfortunate. But I am still excited. Wink

I'm just wondering why you think you would never need a touch up with the POSE? It would be great if you didn't have to, but I'm just wondering why you would with the STOP, but not with the POSE?

And I think you said you already ordered your POSE, correct? How exciting!

free skin care · Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:59 pm

bethany wrote:

I'm just wondering why you think you would never need a touch up with the POSE? It would be great if you didn't have to, but I'm just wondering why you would with the STOP, but not with the POSE?

Bethany, 41yearsyoung said "I do not see ever NOT needing a touch up on different body parts" so she does intend to keep using it.

Have you heard anything back from Dr. Azar yet on the question about the optimum temp of the STOP?

free skin care · Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:04 pm

bethany wrote:

Mishey wrote:

Inky I can't get that link to open...

Mishey, you have to highlight the link and paste it into your browser.

Right... thanks Bethany, got it.

free skin care · Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:29 pm

Keliu wrote:

bethany wrote:

I'm just wondering why you think you would never need a touch up with the POSE? It would be great if you didn't have to, but I'm just wondering why you would with the STOP, but not with the POSE?

Bethany, 41yearsyoung said "I do not see ever NOT needing a touch up on different body parts" so she does intend to keep using it.

Have you heard anything back from Dr. Azar yet on the question about the optimum temp of the STOP?

Oops I did not see the double negative! Embarassed

Nope...have not heard a peep. But per Colleen, he and the other doctor were traveling. Hopefully we will hear later this week.

free skin care · Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:51 am

A quick update for me at 9 weeks...

- I am now on Maintenance, with one treatment recommended every 2-4 weeks...I will probably be sticking with once a month.

- My forehead lines have softened a tad bit, but I see some additional lines right above the outer edge of each eyebrow. Shock

Kind of like maybe the skin didn't shrink at the same rate everywhere? Confused

That is definitely not due to Ageless because I slacked off during the last month Embarassed

and I don't exercise my forehead at all anyway.

- My crowsfeet look a tad softer.

- The under eye damage from CPs (10 months later Rolling Eyes

) seems to have improved a bit.

- I still see the tiny little bumps on the outer edges of my eyes and temples, as I also saw with dermarolling (and view as a positive sign).

- I am shooting for a VISIA skin analysis in early/mid May which will put me at 4 months after starting treatment.

free skin care · Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:53 am

Bethany, this may be a stupid question (I am prone to them!), but if you have improvement in the VISIA, how will you know what to attribute it to? Meaning, how will you know it was STOP, dermarolling, or topicals that you have used since your last VISIA?

free skin care · Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:04 am

rileygirl wrote:

Bethany, this may be a stupid question (I am prone to them!), but if you have improvement in the VISIA, how will you know what to attribute it to? Meaning, how will you know it was STOP, dermarolling, or topicals that you have used since your last VISIA?

I won't....I specifically mentioned that some pages back. Sad

But I was asked when I was getting another VISIA, so I included it is a next step in my update.

But this we do know:
- I have not rolled since the beginning of November...right now is about when I would be seeing changes from that.
- I have not stopped any of the topicals I was using (ZO), but I have added in Nia24.
- Any VISIA results will be minimal at best anyway...I was already in the top 99% for wrinkles for women my age. The best it can be is 100%. Rolling Eyes

And the VISIA results for pigmentation will not reflect STOP progress, obviously.

But I'll do it anyway since I'm a nerd. Very Happy

free skin care · Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:25 am

Ok, that makes a lot of sense if you are using the same topicals, etc., Bethany! Sorry, I think I may have asked that question before, but I could not find where I did! Very Happy

free skin care · Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:09 am

bethany wrote:

... I was already in the top 99% for wrinkles for women my age. The best it can be is 100%. Rolling Eyes

And the VISIA results for pigmentation will not reflect STOP progress, obviously....

Bethany - there should be no 100%. 99% have more wrinkles then you do, which means that you are in top 1% already! Smile

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