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Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:26 pm |
mpstat wrote: |
As we discussed before we are on our way to celebrate sweet sixteen all over again!!! |
Awww man.. I have GOT to get this thing!!
You're all seeing results in a relatively short amount of time - like, between 4 to 6 treatments, yes?
I ask this because, if I buy this in June, I want to be sure that I'll be seeing SOME results by August (I'm seeing some extended family then and I don't want to look haggard in front of the raving beauties).
Based on the feedback here, even if I'm a slow responder it sounds like I should be seeing some visible results by then. I think I'm pretty much sold! |
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:34 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
Awww man.. I have GOT to get this thing!!
You're all seeing results in a relatively short amount of time - like, between 4 to 6 treatments, yes?
I ask this because, if I buy this in June, I want to be sure that I'll be seeing SOME results by August (I'm seeing some extended family then and I don't want to look haggard in front of the raving beauties).
Based on the feedback here, even if I'm a slow responder it sounds like I should be seeing some visible results by then. I think I'm pretty much sold! |
I was pretty surprised myself. I just did my 5th treatment, and did a close assessment before starting...
4 treatments yielded:
- 50% improvement in forehead lines (previously oblivious to everything except Botox)
- 75% improvement in 11's (except I only have one)
- 10% improvement in facial sagging/marionette lines
- Neck rings look softer
- Neck and forehead feel tighter
- Skin under my eyes looks smoother |
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:51 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
mpstat wrote: |
As we discussed before we are on our way to celebrate sweet sixteen all over again!!! |
Awww man.. I have GOT to get this thing!!
You're all seeing results in a relatively short amount of time - like, between 4 to 6 treatments, yes?
I ask this because, if I buy this in June, I want to be sure that I'll be seeing SOME results by August (I'm seeing some extended family then and I don't want to look haggard in front of the raving beauties).
Based on the feedback here, even if I'm a slow responder it sounds like I should be seeing some visible results by then. I think I'm pretty much sold! |
I got Stop at the same time as Toby, and the results were pretty much immediate, and improved over time. According to Halina and the manufacturer I have good skin, and very good response to RF.
I do not know if it matters, but Toby and myself have had pretty similar routines over time. We have been into facial exercises for soon to be two years, have used ProLight LEDs, and now using RF device Stop. And consider ourselves responsive to these treatments.
I think that unless you are in non-responsive to RF category (and we have not had such severe cases on this thread yet) you should see at least some results if you buy the device a couple months before the event, and hopefully you'll see the results sooner. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:02 am |
It is sooooo great to hear these results from you girls! Hopefully down the road we will see more pics. I know some of you really don't like to post those, but it does help those of us who are in limbo with this device a great deal. Though I LOVE to hear your great results, I am more of a visual person myself! In the mean time, keep those thoughts coming!!!!
Bethany, I know you have used fillers in the past...just wondering how long ago you had them and if you've noticed the STOP making any difference in the volume of the fillers. Perhaps you had them so long ago that there is not much left to begin with, but just curious. I got mine last Sept and can still feel that Juvederm line a bit in my NL's, although these days they seem to be dissipating quickly!! |
_________________ Female: 42...Fair/Dry...Brown Hair/Green Eyes...Using: Born Again MSM Cream...Country Divine Emu Serum...Juvederm...Botox...Retin-A .05%...Easy Eye Solutions...Started 2/9/12 with Skin Bio Skin Signals Cream and TTT, Spot treating with TriRed |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:32 am |
bren21 wrote: |
It is sooooo great to hear these results from you girls! Hopefully down the road we will see more pics. I know some of you really don't like to post those, but it does help those of us who are in limbo with this device a great deal. Though I LOVE to hear your great results, I am more of a visual person myself! In the mean time, keep those thoughts coming!!!!
Bethany, I know you have used fillers in the past...just wondering how long ago you had them and if you've noticed the STOP making any difference in the volume of the fillers. Perhaps you had them so long ago that there is not much left to begin with, but just curious. I got mine last Sept and can still feel that Juvederm line a bit in my NL's, although these days they seem to be dissipating quickly!! |
Great question, I have botox but would love to stop spending all that money on something so temporary.
I have also had forehead lines since I was a child.
I went a little overboard over Christmas and need to cut spending but I wast this...
Lucie. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:50 am |
I've just ordered my little red Stop! I came back from Honkers completely broke, but where there's a will there's a way. I remembered I had some credit card reward points I could redeem for cash, so the little red devil is mine!
I'm still not convinced that this gadget will shrink saggy skin, but of course, I live in hope. I can understand the collagen renewal process, but the ability to shrink skin still has me baffled. Of late, I've become addicted to using my AALS and do so most nights. When the Stop comes I will do one night Stop, one night AALS and see what happens. As of the moment, I think the Dermaroller and AALS have improved my crows feet and forehead lines - now if the Stop can do something about my marionettes and double chin I'll be thrilled. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:56 am |
Wow, those sound like great results, MP and Bethany! I really want one of these, but I am holding off to see if Charis gets any improvement in the darn ULL's with this!
Keliu, I can't wait to hear your results with the STOP! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:39 am |
Keliu wrote: |
I can understand the collagen renewal process, but the ability to shrink skin still has me baffled. |
Hi Keliu, I'm watching this thread to see how things go for people with STOP, but I can answer your question about the skin shrinking. I had a Titan treatment a few years back which uses infrared (rather than radio waves) to heat the dermis while cooling the epidermis. The heat can immediately shrink the collagen fibers on a permanent basis(I saw lifting of 1/16" - 1/8" right away), plus it stimulates further collagen generation to occur over time. According to the physician who did the Titan treatment, not everyone gets that immediate shrinkage effect and they don't as yet know why, nor can they predict when it will occur. HTH. |
_________________ 50+, fair brown/brown, Obagi, L2K, AALS; battling: pigmentation, crepeyness, sag |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:13 pm |
I had also done 4 treatments with Stop. I do not see major improvements, but I definitely see some - skin tone, fresher younger look, 11 are much better, criss cross under eyes are much better (I sleep on the side and have them under the left eye), NLs are much better. It is not major, but it is still better then none.
I usually do not react immediately to anything, so seeing any improvement is a big thing for me.
I also started Ageless and changed the skincare to Xtendlife.
So far I like the results and hope to see a lot more in time.
I also wanted to mention that as Halina had mentioned Stop does help with an occasional pimple (tom, etc.). |
_________________ Early 50s, Skin: combin.,semi-sensitive, fair with occasional breakouts, some old acne scars, freckles, under-eye wrinkles; Redhead with hazel eyes |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:35 pm |
Argh! I've come to the conclusion I am completely confused, and spend way too much time examining myself in the mirror..
If I stick to the every other day agenda, today would be my 5th treatment, since recieving the STOP last Thursday... I think I will do a treatment tonight, and then give everything a break for the entire weekend.. Then on Monday, I'll start fresh, but will try leaving two days between Stop treatments here and there.. On the off nights I'll alternate the LED and Tua Viso..
Me's thinking I've been doing too much..
As I've reported in throughout the past week, I'm feeling more than I'm seeing.. The only thing for sure is that I do believe the NL fold looks flatter, for sure from the profile.. So that's a step in the right direction..
The good news is that I've come such a long way in the past year as far as firming, lifting and general skin condition is concerned, that I don't have much left to correct, so will be happy to maintain what I achieved, and prevent an increase in the dreaded sag..
I really shouldn't be complaining, because I'm regularly taken for my son's wife, and my grandkid's mother, so the plan is coming together... |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:10 pm |
I did my 5th Stop treatment today. No changes in the dreaded ULL's. The main thing that has improved for me (noticed after my 4th treatment) was that N/L area has drastically improved - like others have said. My main confusion at this point is that I (and most of the others are in the same boat)began Ageless about a month ago. Soooo, how do I know if it is Ageless or if it's Stop? I was convinced 2 days ago it was Ageless and my cheeks lifted and voila - the N/L's almost non-existent. Now hearing others say Stop has made them disappear, I am wondering which is it? Or perhaps it's a combo of both (most likely, I guess). |
_________________ 40 years old, blonde & fair, acne prone skin, tazorac, BabyQ, lips2kiss and facial exercise |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:34 pm |
Kassy_A wrote: |
The good news is that I've come such a long way in the past year as far as firming, lifting and general skin condition is concerned, that I don't have much left to correct, so will be happy to maintain what I achieved, and prevent an increase in the dreaded sag..
I really shouldn't be complaining, because I'm regularly taken for my son's wife, and my grandkid's mother, so the plan is coming together... |
I swear, I'm the only person on this board with genuinely crappy skin.. haha..
I'm glad you're looking fantastic! And I'm interested in seeing how much further the Stop will take you. The good news for me is that if Stop can give improvements to people who already have great skin, it might mean that whatever results I get will be that much more noticeable (to me, at least), by comparison. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:50 pm |
Hi,
Don't mean to crash everybody's party ! But I have yet to hear back from Halina from the manufacturer re my DH's technical ?'s.
I know many of you are getting great results & I am envious! For me it's not a matter of money it's safety. Since the skin is our largest organ (and one I have already had a great deal of trouble with)I personally don't want to take long term chances for short term gain.
I am concerned that I have yet to hear anything & if I don't by Monday I will contact the manufacturer myself.
There definitely are concerns if the Stop is modulated RF (as the regen & apollo are) & if so I would like to hear how they have actually been addressed via research.
Sorry to those of you who are avid Stop users , but I think caution is warranted! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:15 pm |
cabrita wrote: |
There definitely are concerns if the Stop is modulated RF (as the regen & apollo are) & if so I would like to hear how they have actually been addressed via research.
Sorry to those of you who are avid Stop users , but I think caution is warranted! |
Can you share what the concerns are....what does modulation do that is negative? |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:23 pm |
bren21 wrote: |
Bethany, I know you have used fillers in the past...just wondering how long ago you had them and if you've noticed the STOP making any difference in the volume of the fillers. Perhaps you had them so long ago that there is not much left to begin with, but just curious. I got mine last Sept and can still feel that Juvederm line a bit in my NL's, although these days they seem to be dissipating quickly!! |
The last filler I got was in October (Juvederm Ultra Plus) before I started Ageless on 11/8, but I metabolize it fairly quickly, and Ageless has made it disappear even faster.
I haven't noticed any further decline since I started STOP, but I don't really feel any left in there anymore. I assume there are still remnants, but that's probably it. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:41 pm |
cabrita wrote: |
Hi,
Don't mean to crash everybody's party ! But I have yet to hear back from Halina from the manufacturer re my DH's technical ?'s.
I know many of you are getting great results & I am envious! For me it's not a matter of money it's safety. Since the skin is our largest organ (and one I have already had a great deal of trouble with)I personally don't want to take long term chances for short term gain.
I am concerned that I have yet to hear anything & if I don't by Monday I will contact the manufacturer myself.
There definitely are concerns if the Stop is modulated RF (as the regen & apollo are) & if so I would like to hear how they have actually been addressed via research.
Sorry to those of you who are avid Stop users , but I think caution is warranted! |
Wow cabrita, I'm surprised you didn't hear back yet.. Maybe Halina hasn't heard anything yet. She is usually pretty quick at getting back..
Why don't you go straight to the horses mouth, and email the good Dr about the specs you need;
For more information contact:
Dr. Zion Azar
zion_a@pollogen.com
My questions were answered within 24 hours when I emailed him.
Please share whatever you are able to find out.. Hopefully it will all be good news! |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:53 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
[I'm glad you're looking fantastic! And I'm interested in seeing how much further the Stop will take you. |
I wouldn't go that far! Suffice it to say, I just look younger than the clock says.. After all, 59 is indeed still 59 ...
I'm anxious to see if the 5th treatment tonight, will show something positive. I'm not expecting any miracles though.
Didn't somebody mention that it doesn't work for 2% of people? Usually I respond pretty quickly to things, so maybe I'm just in the dreaded 2% ... But I want to be optimistic, because I did have that subtle NL improvement. |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:04 pm |
Hi Bethany,
First I will say that I do NOT claim to be an expert in modulated rf. That would be my husband.
I will say that as far as know it has been associated with DNA damage & increased cellular permeability. It may be that even if this device is modulated that the inventor has intervened in some fashion to inhibit the potential negative effects. I would hope so & also that we will be provided with this evidence.(again if it is modulated which at this point we do not know)
My DH is away on business atm. but I will be speaking with him this evening & ask him for specific references for you & other interested parties.
Jennifer |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:48 pm |
tessera wrote: |
Hi Keliu, I'm watching this thread to see how things go for people with STOP, but I can answer your question about the skin shrinking. I had a Titan treatment a few years back which uses infrared (rather than radio waves) to heat the dermis while cooling the epidermis. The heat can immediately shrink the collagen fibers on a permanent basis(I saw lifting of 1/16" - 1/8" right away), plus it stimulates further collagen generation to occur over time. According to the physician who did the Titan treatment, not everyone gets that immediate shrinkage effect and they don't as yet know why, nor can they predict when it will occur. HTH. |
Thanks for that info. Actually, when my derms office first started doing Thermage all the estheticians there had the treatment. Only one woman had a dramatic improvement, the others were either subtle or non-existent. You're lucky you had a good result - everyone responds differently. I did see a minimal improvement in my double chin from my Thermage treatment - but not sufficient enough to warrant the expense.
Cabrita - I understand your cautiousness (and it's always warranted for any new technology). However, considering the energy output of professional machines and given that they have been approved by the "powers that be", I doubt that there should be concern for a tiny home-use gadget, my concerns are more that it will be totally ineffective. But as I've said many times, I'm cynical as to what home-use gadgets can achieve - but I'm not negative about it! And psychologically, the treatments make me feel that I'm being proactive about anti-aging. (Although, sometimes I really think that we're all completely insane!!)
Kassy - just be thankful that the Stop isn't delivering results as fast as you wish - otherwise you're going to be mistaken for your son's daughter!! |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:26 pm |
Note: Constantly peering into a magnifying mirror all day long to try and see results is absolutely the worst thing that anyone can do. I know this because I'm at it all the time! They should be banned!! |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:00 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
I swear, I'm the only person on this board with genuinely crappy skin.. haha..
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No, lowbrow, you are not alone. I am right there with you, so we can be in misery together! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:05 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
I swear, I'm the only person on this board with genuinely crappy skin.. haha..
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No, lowbrow, you are not alone. I am right there with you, so we can be in misery together! |
We're all in the same boat! Why do you think that we're all here constantly trolling around this Forum - if we were all happy with the way we looked we'd all be off doing far more productive things! |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:58 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
Wow! Works a lot faster than lycopene..
Mishey wrote: |
I love surfing and diving and take them before I go to the beach. Along with a very high SPF and PPD sunscreen.
Typical that I love sun sports and have an aversion to the sun. |
I absolutely LOVE and need the sun but my *skin* apparently has an aversion to it
Have you ever had a chance to really test this stuff? As in, caught out in the sun for longer than expected?
I'm going to have to give this stuff a try! |
Sorry, I've been away for a few days Lowbrow, only just saw you post.
No I can't say I have really tested it. I've always got my sunscreen with me so don't get caught out.
I've read some posts from some trustworthy people who use and recommend it, so trust that it does indeed help. |
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:22 am |
cabrita wrote: |
Hi Bethany,
First I will say that I do NOT claim to be an expert in modulated rf. That would be my husband.
I will say that as far as know it has been associated with DNA damage & increased cellular permeability. It may be that even if this device is modulated that the inventor has intervened in some fashion to inhibit the potential negative effects. I would hope so & also that we will be provided with this evidence.(again if it is modulated which at this point we do not know)
My DH is away on business atm. but I will be speaking with him this evening & ask him for specific references for you & other interested parties.
Jennifer |
Sounds good...thanks! |
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:33 am |
bethany wrote: |
I just did my 4th STOP treatment (the end of week 2 of 6 for me), but before I did that I did a very close examination of my skin.
Things of interest....
- I typically look best 36 hours after a treatment. So if I did a treatment Monday night, I'll look ok on Tuesday morning, but better on Wednesday morning.
- My forehead lines do look softer...if this eliminates them (or close to it, it will be money well spent!)
- I noticed some VERY tiny little raised dots on my face in areas where the skin is thinner, like on my forehead and around the outer corners of my eyes. I would see the same thing about 2 weeks after an intensive dermaroll, and always surmised that it might be collagen developing. (or at least I always hoped it was!)
- I dare say that my neck lines look a bit softer as well.
- My marionette lines are sloooowly shrinking, but I attribute the bulk of the change to Ageless and some subtle change to STOP.
- This is a heck of a lot easier and far more enjoyable that dermarolling, and it does not require a bottle of wine (and a hangover).
- My only question is how much of this "improvement" is due to inflammation. (and we all know how I feel about inflammation!). It mentions edema right in the user manual, but it is certainly nothing like my swollen red balloon head after dermarolling. But cellular inflammation could be a side-effect, thus my hesitation to do this on an ongoing basis more than every 2 weeks. More reading is required on my part. |
I wanted to add a couple more observations to the above list...
- I am personally experiencing some purging from using the STOP. I think the heat opens the pores, and existing crap deep in there shoots up to the top. But surely that can't last forever.
- I do expect that I may have less hormonal acne breakouts due to the heat killing bacteria under the skin. After all, that's the principle of the Zeno I have (and never use, sigh).
- I am definitely seeing more of the very tiny little bumps in the areas where my skin is thinner (outer eyes, temples, forehead). I saw this in the same places (and the back of my hands) after dermarolling...I had fantastic results from that, so I am really hoping that this will be equally effective. The same results without pain, blood, and alcohol would be fabulous! It took 4 months to see lasting results with dermarolling, so I'll be interested to see how long it takes with STOP. |
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