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Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:10 pm  |
This may sound like a dumb question, but once you get a travel adaptor, how do you use it? Does the UK plug go into the back of the adaptor? Thanks.  |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:27 pm |
| lipglossdoll wrote: |
| This may sound like a dumb question, but once you get a travel adaptor, how do you use it? Does the UK plug go into the back of the adaptor? Thanks. |
They just piggy-back together, in the same way you use a double adaptor. |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:58 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
Well that's interesting - I bought my UP5 Ultrasound device from Winhealth and their customer service was very good. They don't send the UP5 to the US though, so I wonder whether they would send the Stop - it's all to do with FDA approval I think. |
win-health.com sends STOP to US, but stop-age.com does not. |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:23 pm |
| Keliu, Thanks! |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:47 pm |
Is there information anywhere about how permanent these results will be?
I know that Dermarolling, which also induces collagen, is recommended to be done once or twice a year for maintenance after the desired results are achieved initially. But the idea is that this stimulates new collagen which is accepted into the skin just like regular collagen growth we have when we're younger... so the longevity of results would be measured in years, not months.
The "Stop" information does say that this stimulates collagen growth, but they recommend once every 2 to 4 weeks for maintenance. It just seems more short-term than genuine, permanent collagen stimulation should be, no? Or am I missing something?
This seems like it migh be a good alternative to a Prolight demo, but I'd like to get a better idea of how permanent the results are. I rather like the idea of stimulating the body's natural responses to get actual skin restoration, as opposed to just doing something that gives a temporary (even if dramatic) cosmetic effect.
ETA: The amount of gel that comes with the unit is expensive and alarmingly small  ... maybe you only need a tiny amount? |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:51 pm |
| There should be a more cost effective solution for RF gel. My understanding that the same gel is used for RF, IPL treatments and one of the purposes is to cool skin, since the outer skin layers are being heated. We should be able to find such cooling gels for the treatment at a fraction of the cost offered on the official STOP web site. |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:16 pm |
| I only need to use a small amount of gel each time. The gel bottle doesn't seem large but I think I can keep using it for a few months. |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:22 pm |
| buramiko wrote: |
So I mail orderd the Stop and tried it for 2 weeks now. The immediate result was great even with only 1 treatment. It heated up my skin and my face was blushed and plump. This plumpness lasted till the next day even after my face got cooled off. When my skin was more plump and felt more elastic, I felt much younger and the lines/folds were less significant. I totally remember the days when I was in my 20s that my face used to feel much fuller.
And it takes much less time than LED, a stop treatment only takes 15 mins as recommended. I do this once every other day and now the fine lines around my eyes got alot finer, and my nasolabial lines were not as deep. So far I'm happy with the results and I find this to be a great treatment to do right before going to dinners / parties. It gave me the glow and the plump on the face just made me at least 5 years younger. Most important of all result is instant and all I need to do now is to maintain the result.. |
| Keliu wrote: |
Your Mum will be thrilled with the size of these images! (not really) but tell her thanks for being such a good sport.
It looks to me that in the After photo the cheek area is significantly plumped/swollen up. The wrinkles on the cheek and more significantly around the eye area are diminished. The skin also looks slightly redder, probably from the heat.
Is this plumpness temporary? If so, how long does it last? Also, do you think that the effects are cumulative, that is, is there an ongoing improvement?
Thanks again to you and your Mum for posting the pics - it's very helpful. |
I wonder how much of this improvement is due to deeper inflammation. This sounds just like people using the dermaroller and seeing immediate results... even though collagen could not have developed that quickly.
I haven't read any additional research other than the article we previously discussed, but I will not be sold (nor spend the money) until I hear that someone uses it, takes a 3 month break, and still sees prolonged improvement. Sorry to be the skeptic here, but I have become much more cynical these days, sigh. |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:26 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
| There should be a more cost effective solution for RF gel. My understanding that the same gel is used for RF, IPL treatments and one of the purposes is to cool skin, since the outer skin layers are being heated. We should be able to find such cooling gels for the treatment at a fraction of the cost offered on the official STOP web site. |
Here are the ingredients for both the gel and post treatment cream;
STOP™ Preparation Gel:
The ingredients are glycerin, Cera Alba, Carbomer, Gluconolactone, Fragrance (Parfum), Sodium Chloride, Sodium Benzoat.
- Cera Alba is simply bees wax
- Carbomer is used as an emulsifier to incorporate a solid into a liquid..(comes in powder form)
- Gluconolactone comes in powder form and is used to make some foods (tofu), and in cosmetics. I believe (not sure though), it has moisturizing and exfolliating properties when used in cosmetics. (Recommended use in cosmetics up to 10%)
- Sodium Chloride is simply table salt, minus the anti-caking agent that's added.
- Sodium Benzoat is a preservative with anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties. It's commonly used as a preservative in sodas, fruit juices, vinegar or salad dressings, or anything with a PH under 3.6
I'm not sure what they charge for this gel, but it should be easy (and cheap) enough to DIY for those who dabble. At the very least, a little glycerin and kosher salt added, will give you extra mileage..
STOP™ After Treatment Cream:
The ingredients are Aqua, Cetearyl Alcohol (And) Cetearyl Clucoside, Ceteareth 2, Stearic Acid, Camillia Sinensis (Green Tea) Extract, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Extract, Retinyl Palmitate, Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Algae Extract, Dehydroacetic Acid, Sorbic Acid, Aloe Barbadenisis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter, Fragrance (Parfum), Allantoin. |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:52 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| I haven't read any additional research other than the article we previously discussed, but I will not be sold (nor spend the money) until I hear that someone uses it, takes a 3 month break, and still sees prolonged improvement. Sorry to be the skeptic here, but I have become much more cynical these days, sigh. |
With hundreds of $$ on the line, skepticism is a necessity 
Kassy, nice sleuthing! I couldn't find any ingredients during my (admittedly half assed) search for info, but I was hoping to learn what they were so I could consider alternatives.
Of course, I think I'm with Bethany on this one - if someone maintains their improvements after 3 months of non-use, I'll seriously consider it. Until then, as much as I'm tempted to be the guinea pig, I think I'll stick with Ageless and dermarolling. |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:47 am |
| Kassy - thank you for the gel info! This is exactly what I was looking for. It should be so easy to make the gel out of glycerin and salt, and very cost effective!!! |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:27 am |
| mpstat wrote: |
| Kassy - thank you for the gel info! This is exactly what I was looking for. It should be so easy to make the gel out of glycerin and salt, and very cost effective!!! |
Try to incorporate the beeswax too, it's what will give it thickness/substance..
If you don't want to deal with preservatives, just make small batches that will be used fairly quickly, and keep refregerated..  |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:33 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
| Kassy - thank you for the gel info! This is exactly what I was looking for. It should be so easy to make the gel out of glycerin and salt, and very cost effective!!! |
Mpstat, please let us know how this works if/when you try it! I'm hoping something like this would work with my ultrasonic probe, too. I'm not really crazy about the seaweed gel I'm currently using, and aloe vera gel doesn't work at all for me. |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:08 pm |
Lowbrowscientist - I ordered STOP and waiting for it to arrive.
There is some sort of overlap for ultrasound and RF in terms of skin tightening by heating skin. The difference would be in the wait time for results to show. Ultrasound heating is very low, at least for at home use units, and it takes very long time to tighten skin with ultrasound maybe a year or so. STOP should heat skin to higher levels, and tightening results should be expected way sooner compared to ultrasound.
Ultrasound also used for product penetration in addition to skin tightening. I use galvanic instead of ultrasound for it, plus I feel that galvanic gives more then just product penetration. I do not see STOP as a substitute for product penetration tools or for LEDs.
For ultrasound treatments you can use any water based gel. The main thing is not to use oil based ones. You can even prepare your own DIY gel.
Once I get the device and start using it I will share my experience  |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:14 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
Lowbrowscientist - I ordered STOP and waiting for it to arrive.
There is some sort of overlap for ultrasound and RF in terms of skin tightening by heating skin. The difference would be in the wait time for results to show. Ultrasound heating is very low, at least for at home use units, and it takes very long time to tighten skin with ultrasound maybe a year or so. STOP should heat skin to higher levels, and tightening results should be expected way sooner compared to ultrasound.
Ultrasound also used for product penetration in addition to skin tightening. I use galvanic instead of ultrasound for it, plus I feel that galvanic gives more then just product penetration. I do not see STOP as a substitute for product penetration tools or for LEDs.
For ultrasound treatments you can use any water based gel. The main thing is not to use oil based ones. You can even prepare your own DIY gel.
Once I get the device and start using it I will share my experience |
WOW Mpstat, lucky you! I can't wait to hear how it works for you!
Dr. H. (developer of 302 skincare) has mentioned ultrasound, and as you said, he suggested that a person would see results with about a year of regular use, but he said that it was good for breaking down old crosslinked proteins - i.e. scars, lines/wrinkles, so the skin can be remodeled. Do you think the same is true of the STOP device?
I would still want to use the ultrasound for penetration, but since you've mentioned it, I'm now curious about galvanic... I know absolutely nothing about it, so I'll have to do some searching.
In any event, the tightening effect - is this an actual permanent change within the skin, or more of a temporary surface effect? My impression from Dr. H is that the ultrasound made an actual change in the skin itself, and thus "permanent" (with the simultaneous use of remodeling agents and good general skin care ).
In any case, I'll be checking back on a regular basis to see how things go when you get your new Stop unit |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:22 pm |
When I talked to Rita of ProLight she was saying that "cooking" (heating several degrees) skin stimulates collagen production, and "shrinks" skin. Also I did see some of Dr H ultrasound suggestions on 302 thread. He suggested another alternative such as hot towels. There are different methonds to heat skin and the way it is achieved. Using hot towels might be the simplest way, but using devices might be more efficient and of cause not all devices are created equal.
You probably could feel heating sensation when using ultrasound. I felt that the treated area was getting a little warmer with ultrasound very lightly so. With STOP I expect to heat skin much more.
As for the results being permanent, there is nothing permanent  , so the repeated treatments are expected for everything, and for less invasive procedures maintenance might be more frequent. My understanding that STOP is not that invasive , and after treatment does not involve days of red skin, and peeling. But again I need to experience it first hand to see how it feels.
Rita sells reasonably priced portable galvanic devices that are a combo of ultrasound and galvanic: http://www.prolightaesthetics.citymaker.com/catalog/item/6603459/6528796.htm |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:13 pm |
The dermatologist who told me Thermage is no good when he didn't have the machine, got one and just referred to it as RF (radio frequency). He gave me two half-price treatments. They work.
The thing that astonished me was that my neck looked so much slimmer. I think the effect of the professional treatments lasted about six months, maybe four.
I would definitely get a Stop device if I could find out how to get it in the U.S. (with the proper electrical cord). |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:23 pm |
chinachatters - since Stop is at home device it should be weaker then professional one, so the question about how much weaker remains open. I live in US and ordered it from http://www.win-health.com/actinic/acatalog/stop-tripollar-rf.html
Once I get the device I'll see what to do about adaptor, and adaptor should not be a problem.
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:38 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
Lowbrowscientist - I ordered STOP and waiting for it to arrive.
Once I get the device and start using it I will share my experience |
You know I fully trust your opinion, so I will be waiting with baited breath!
But even if you have awesome results, I am still going to make myself wait to get one as a reward for reaching a weight loss goal. I keep telling myself that having great skin really doesn't matter if I'm overweight. I think I'll tape a picture of the STOP machine to my fridge, lol. |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:35 pm |
mpstat - my treatments were zaps - probably less than a second each along the line under my jawbone. I had two sessions, three weeks apart. A third sessions was unnecessary, in my opinion, until I could see how long it took for the effect to wear off. Then I stopped going to that doctor and got my LightStim. It was two years ago this month. Now see what's happened.
<img src="http://creamycomplexion.com/12-22-08.jpg">
Isn't the Stop treatment about seven minutes a day, three times a week for four to six weeks? I think I read that. (I'm selling myself on it!) I should think that unless it's a total fake, the length of time spent should equal the results of one professional treatment. [img] |
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Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:37 am |
Bethany - it is a good idea to align gifts for yourself with significant milestones or events. Since you set your mind on losing weight, there are no doubts that you'll achieve it!
I also ordered STOP as a present for myself for my birthday!!!  |
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Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:39 am |
chinachatters - Great that you had good experience with under jawbone treatments! Even if STOP delivers one fifth of the pro results it would be not bad.
This is what they wrote on the web site about the treatments duration and schedule. It looks manageable:
The device is easy to use. The treatment is non invasive, painless, comfortable and relaxing and creates noticeable effects from the very first time. Each STOP session takes 12 - 15 minutes to perform.
For best and lasting results, you should initially use the STOP device 2 - 3 times per week for 4 - 6 weeks. The manufacturer recommends that the device is not used more than once every other day. The day gap in the treatment is essential for the natural process of collagen regeneration to take its full effect.
To maintain the results after the initial course of treatments, you should use the STOP at least once every 2 - 4 weeks or as needed.
Results normally last several months. However, since the natural aging process continues, you should endeavour to follow the recommended maintenance regime to ensure and enhance long term continuation of the achieved improvements. |
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Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:51 pm |
Hello all. I haven't been here for a while but when I read about "Stop" this was my first port of call, to see if anyone had tried it. At the time, no-one had... so I bought one anyway. Can I just warn UK buyers that the Stop-Age website has the price in Euros. Two months ago it equated to £404 and three weeks ago it was up to £440. I bought mine from Harvey Nicks - just phoned up and they posted it to me: £396. A significant saving over the website current price.
Anyway, the instructions say twice a week for 6 to 8 weeks. I've used it four times in two weeks but I think I can discount the first time because I didn't do it properly. The preparation gel comes in quite a small pot but you really only need a fingertip for each side of the face: not a fingertip full, just a fingertip dab. It's sticky but does spread well and the heat from the device makes it more liquid. It also contains small grains and so must be a slight exfoliant. I did the proper patch test on my inner arm 48 hours before I used the device.
I have very fair, freckled, dry and sensitive skin but I found that using the low and medium settings.. well, nothing was happening. The orange light that indicates the correct heat in the skin just wasn't happening. When I put it on high, the timing mentioned in the instructions was just about right. Having said that, I would still start on low until you know how your skin will react. The failsafe cut-out appears to work very well: you will see the green power light go out and the device is instantly cooler.
And so to results so far: I really don't have wrinkles. My problem, at 54, is sagging; so it is the tightening properties that interested me. I think four treatments out of a recommended 24 to 32 is too soon to tell, although my face does feel good after a treatment - smooth and slightly plumped. The slight redness from the treatment disappears very quickly - within 15 minutes. I'll keep you posted of progress. So far, I still feel optimistic, and my daughter-in-law did say to my son on Christmas morning, "doesn't she look pretty today?" And that with no make-up! |
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Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:37 pm |
| Doh! My maths. Should have read, "12 - 16" treatments. Sorry! |
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Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:58 pm |
| Cesce - thank you for your posts. It is good to know that we have more Stop users, so that we have more experiences with Stop! |
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