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Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:38 pm      Reply with quote
I know there has probably been tons of posts about this very topic, but with new products constantly emerging, I wanted to make sure I have the most up-to-date recommendations. I have broken capillaries around my nose that started about two years ago and is gradually getting worse. I am trying to find something that will make them go away, not just camouflage them. Can anyone recommend something that I could try, preferrably something that EDS sells?
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:56 am      Reply with quote
I am interested in this as well, though I honestly don't think a topical product woud help. I have a lot of broken caps on my upper cheeks and nose. I have a feeling a derm visit is really the only thing that will help!
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:32 am      Reply with quote
IPL is the only thing that I know of that successfully treats broken caps. However, the ones around the nose can be very stubborn. I've had mine treated several times, but they always come back.

As for topical creams, I don't think they do anything. To treat broken caps, the blood has to be dispersed with a laser. I did read recently that Ferulic Acid is beneficial because it strengthens capillary walls but I'm doubtful that it would fully cure them.
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:01 am      Reply with quote
The SC C, E, Ferulic (which I love) did nothing for my broken caps.
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:50 am      Reply with quote
There is also an electrical procedure the dermatologist can do. I believe it is called needle coagulation, but I could be wrong. It is fast but painful. I had it done for a couple of them, and just could not stand the pain. I was hoping for the laser treatments, but, thanks to Keliu, will check it before going for it.

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Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:31 pm      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
I am interested in this as well, though I honestly don't think a topical product woud help. I have a lot of broken caps on my upper cheeks and nose. I have a feeling a derm visit is really the only thing that will help!

I hope that there is something out there that does not require a vsit to a derm. The closest derm is hours away so that is not an option for me.
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Unfortunately, from talking with my derm - once the capillaries are broken - there isn't much topically you can apply that will help. (And, I'm not sure I would feel safe applying something topically that could alter the blood supply in my face!!) Shock

There are certain things you can do to *avoid* having them break further (i.e. supplements to strengthen the capillary walls or avoiding UV exposure or the types of trauma that cause them).

I have heard of quite a few people who have stopped professional micro-dermabrasion treatments because the vacuum wands are too strong and cause capillary breakage.

As for treatments - IPL or, alternatively, the Nd:YAG laser are supposedly the gold standard right now for dealing with broken capillaries - but they can pose a risk of hyper/hypo-pigmentation. And, treatments don't prevent them from coming back.

I have heard of a product called "Capillary Clear" which is supposed to help reduce broken capillaries - but I don't know if it's just another hype filled product which doesn't actually do anything. Maybe one of the other forum members has had experience with it?

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Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:14 am      Reply with quote
I had a birthmark on my neck of a small cluster of coagulated caps.
When I grew up I had them removed in a salon with an electric needle, which took only two sessions.
After the first session the caps crusted over, and after about two weeks the scabs fell off,leaving paler caps.
The same thing happened after the second session. Only this time when the scabs fell off the caps had gone forever, leaving me with an unblemished neck to this day.

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Holmes wrote:
I had a birthmark on my neck of a small cluster of coagulated caps.
When I grew up I had them removed in a salon with an electric needle, which took only two sessions.
After the first session the caps crusted over, and after about two weeks the scabs fell off,leaving paler caps.
The same thing happened after the second session. Only this time when the scabs fell off the caps had gone forever, leaving me with an unblemished neck to this day.

HTH


I also had great success with the electric needle treatment, called diathermy. I treated two small clusters on my cheek only once 15 years ago, and they have never returned.

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Septembergirl wrote:
Holmes wrote:
I had a birthmark on my neck of a small cluster of coagulated caps.
When I grew up I had them removed in a salon with an electric needle, which took only two sessions.
After the first session the caps crusted over, and after about two weeks the scabs fell off,leaving paler caps.
The same thing happened after the second session. Only this time when the scabs fell off the caps had gone forever, leaving me with an unblemished neck to this day.

HTH


I also had great success with the electric needle treatment, called diathermy. I treated two small clusters on my cheek only once 15 years ago, and they have never returned.


Does this hurt, and is this done in the derms office? I would love to get something done with my broken caps. Septembergirl, do you use Retin A or similar? My nurse told me that if I wanted to continue with the Retin A, I would have to live with the caps or keep going somewhere to get them treated?
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My nurse told me that if I wanted to continue with the Retin A, I would have to live with the caps or keep going somewhere to get them treated?


What does she mean exactly? I know that if you get the caps fixed by a laser you have to cease using Retin-A for a couple of weeks before-hand. Is she saying that Retin-A causes broken caps because I recently read on a web-site that Retin-A is recommended for treating them.
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:19 am      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
Septembergirl wrote:
Holmes wrote:
I had a birthmark on my neck of a small cluster of coagulated caps.
When I grew up I had them removed in a salon with an electric needle, which took only two sessions.
After the first session the caps crusted over, and after about two weeks the scabs fell off,leaving paler caps.
The same thing happened after the second session. Only this time when the scabs fell off the caps had gone forever, leaving me with an unblemished neck to this day.

HTH


I also had great success with the electric needle treatment, called diathermy. I treated two small clusters on my cheek only once 15 years ago, and they have never returned.


Does this hurt, and is this done in the derms office? I would love to get something done with my broken caps. Septembergirl, do you use Retin A or similar? My nurse told me that if I wanted to continue with the Retin A, I would have to live with the caps or keep going somewhere to get them treated?


Hi, rileygirl!
I went to an esthetician to have the treatment and did not find it painful at all. I don't know if you people in the US need to go to a derm's office or not.

Diathermy is a quick process where a fine needle with electric currency is inserted into the capillary. The current is supposed to drain away the blood that causes the capillaries to appair.

I cannot see any reason for not having diathermy when being on Retin-A, but it might be a good idea to skip tretinoin some days prior to treatment in order to decrease sensitivity.

Diathermy is best suited for smaller capillaries. It's a cheap and easy treatment which is very similar to electrolysis.

Here is a thread where some other EDS-members share their experience with electro coagulation/diathermy

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=20351&highlight=diathermy

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Keliu wrote:
rileygirl wrote:
My nurse told me that if I wanted to continue with the Retin A, I would have to live with the caps or keep going somewhere to get them treated?


What does she mean exactly? I know that if you get the caps fixed by a laser you have to cease using Retin-A for a couple of weeks before-hand. Is she saying that Retin-A causes broken caps because I recently read on a web-site that Retin-A is recommended for treating them.


Hi, Keliu. Yes, she is saying that the Retin A causes broken caps.
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Thanks for the info, Septembergirl!
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:07 pm      Reply with quote
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Hi, Keliu. Yes, she is saying that the Retin A causes broken caps.


In that case - I think she's incorrect, take a look here:
http://www.treatment-skincare.com/August-2006/Broken-Capillaries.html which says:

Primary causes of broken capillaries:

increasing age;
rosacea;
hereditary;
hormonal fluctuations (puberty, pregnancy, menopause);
pregnancy (increase in the amount of blood in the body, causing vein enlargement);
obesity;
leg injury — including prolonged standing;
fluctuations in temperature;
UVA sun damage.

Recommended Treatments for Broken Capillaries —

Face

A Serum used in Broken Capillary Treatment or Gernetic Veinulo Special Broken Capillary Treatment and Vasco Cream.
Daily use of a True Broad Spectrum Sunscreen used in Broken Capillary Treatment.
Retinol.
Jan Marini TGF Products with Vascular Epithelial Growth Factor (VEGF).
Avoidance of harsh facial scrubs, such as those containing ground walnut or apricot seeds


In everything that I've read about Retin-A, I've never seen it linked to broken caps - I think it mistakenly gets blamed for everything. My derm reassured me that broken caps were mainly a hereditary condition.
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Interesting, Keliu.

I wonder though, if you are prone to broken caps (hereditary or whatever the cause), if RA could possibly aggravate the condition? It could be a simple case of just bringing to the surface what was there all along.
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Interesting, Keliu.

I wonder though, if you are prone to broken caps (hereditary or whatever the cause), if RA could possibly aggravate the condition? It could be a simple case of just bringing to the surface what was there all along.


I've been a huge sufferer of broken caps and, as mentioned before, have had numerous IPL treatments to get rid of them. I've also been using Retin-A for about a year and can honestly say that they haven't become worse. If anything, they've improved (but I also use a Dermaroller). It's just that those pesky ones around the nose are very stubborn.
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Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:10 pm      Reply with quote
Does diathermy work on the very fine caps that look almost like a rash when in a bunch?
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Does diathermy work on the very fine caps that look almost like a rash when in a bunch?


That is exactly what I have, Mishey! I have never thought to describe it how you did, but I new immediately what you were talking about!
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Mishey wrote:
Does diathermy work on the very fine caps that look almost like a rash when in a bunch?


I had two small "bunches" of tiny caps that I got as a child, and diathermy eliminated them completely. Diathermy will work best on the small, thin veins.

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Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:35 am      Reply with quote
Fantastic!! I have these on my chest which my derm said is from sun damage, and laser did nothing for them. It took abit of calling around but I finally found someone who does diathemy. Believe it or not, not many derms or Drs had even heard of it. Shock
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