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Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:15 am      Reply with quote
I have lots of small white bumps under my eyes and recently found out that they are fordyce. The dermatologist told me there is no prevention nor cure for them.

Has anyone had luck with curing these pesky little bumps? Everytime i look into the mirror, i want to scratch them out.

She says they are too tiny to be lasered but I've been trying NOT to take a needle to them.

Thank you

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Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:07 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Snowstar,
I have little bumps under one eye,the thing that seems to help is my microfiber cloth.I use it several times a day. It has taken several months,but they are becoming less noticeable.
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:46 pm      Reply with quote
Do you think she's right in her diagnosis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordyce%27s_spot

Most common under-eye conditions are milia and syringoma. They can be lasered and zapped with an electric needle. My derm uses a pen to mark things like syringoma that are too small or light for the laser to "see."

A lot depends on how well the patient can shut up and sit still and how willing the doctor is to get involved with what some think is nonsense.

A cosmetic dermatologist is probably better for this sort of work than one who went into medicine to cure sick people.
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:01 pm      Reply with quote
Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordyce's_spot


< clicking on Chinachatter's link >

< reading the text >

< nodding head >

< absently looking at pictures on said Wikipedia page >

< spewing tea at monitor >

Shock
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:10 pm      Reply with quote
*gasp*

Okay, over my shock now... (Didn't know they could put pics like that on Wikipedia! LOL)

Hi Chinachatters,

Sorry about the silly - but it sure took me by surprise!

From what I read in the Wikipedia entry - it doesn't sound like Fordyce's spots are usually found under the eyes... (Along the vermilion border of the lips - and, er... elsewhere...)

Could they possibly be milia instead?

In either case - it sounds like, while they could be lasered off, that treatment isn't recommended.

Perhaps some gentle exfoliation might help, as milia are formed when the skin doesn't slough off normally. Sun exposure can exacerbate the situation - so a non-comedogenic sunscreen would probably be advisable too.

Maybe other people have some better advice/suggestions?
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Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:47 am      Reply with quote
I KNOW. I got the shock out of my life when I googled to find out more information on it. I sent her an email asking her if she was 100% sure and asked if it could be milia or syringoma? She was extremely certain and told me it's commonly found *there* and on the lips and eyes...

She is very well known and was the president of the derm society at one point... so I'm thinking she should know what a milia looks like... it's not some rare disease. Plus now she is practicing cosmetic dermatology (more $$)

i really have no idea what to say...

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Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:13 pm      Reply with quote
8-)

The bottom line is that you want the bumps removed and your current doctor says it's impossible. Try somebody else and keep trying until you find the one who can and will try to do what you want in an informed, state-of-the-art manner.

You help your own cause by being familiar with what the dermatology machines can do and then finding the derm who has the machine you want in the office. Fraxel has a wonderfully informative site with an excellent photo gallery: http://www.fraxel.com/

In fact, I got ALL the manufacturers of skin lasers by clicking the "similar pages" feature beside the fraxel entry in google. You'll have to copy and paste:

< http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xJi&q=related:www.reliant-tech.com/fraxel-repair-laser.cfm >
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Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:33 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Snowstar,

Oh - well, if your derm is certain it's Fordyce - I guess she must know what she's talking about...

In any case - I think Chinachatters is right - that if you're not getting the response you want from this derm, it can't hurt to go and get a second opinion.

Different derms have different treatments in their arsenal - so it can't hurt to find someone who might have a different approach.

Would definitely NOT take a needle to the spots just yet! (Though I know how tempting that is!) Very Happy

Let me know how it goes!
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Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:43 am      Reply with quote
Hi everyone, thanks for the encouragement and advice Smile

I went to see another derm and picked a governement hospital that has a aesthetic clinic instead of a private derm.

Verdic - the guy is ABSOLUTELY sure it is NOT fordyce spots and that it is syringoma. He's a kindly 40+ man who told me to try and live with it. In his own words, he "absolutely refuse" to laser it for my own good.

The previous derm (who is also very popular) is 100% sure it's fordyce cos she sees it in many of her clients. I emailed it and badgered her.

In summary, the solution is to live with it as both specialists advise leaving them alone. This is very strange for me as I live in Asia where doctors are more than happy to give you anything you want! I'm a private patient for both doctors and hence it's not a matter of insurance coverage.

However, I am alot happier now as I tell myself there are syringomas - sweat glands and EVERYONE has them. Well, not everyone, but lots of people.

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Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:43 am      Reply with quote
snowstar wrote:
Verdic - the guy is ABSOLUTELY sure it is NOT fordyce spots and that it is syringoma. He's a kindly 40+ man who told me to try and live with it. In his own words, he "absolutely refuse" to laser it for my own good.


A friend of mine just got her syringoma lasered off 2 weeks ago.

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Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:57 pm      Reply with quote
Did the laser remove all of the syringoma? Did any of them come back?
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