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Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:45 am      Reply with quote
Don't know if you noticed, but they're all master trainers at FlexEffect: Sean, Cathy, Loli. There's none other that I've seen except on the workshop by Pat, who was a trainer in training (and I was hopeful about hearing more from her but she's vanished).

There's no formal qualification route from what I can make out, only that you need to have done it a couple of years! So you could probably qualify as one!

For sure the stuff your discussing is advanced and I never hear them discussing this sort of thing which I think is a mistake!
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Hey TheresaMary--Sean is one of the Master trainers at FlexEffect. I believe that there are only a handful and change of Master trainers at FlexEffect, and it requires certification at two prior levels, as well as two years of training clients. So I know that at least under the FE system, he is considered an expert. HTH Smile
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Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:28 am      Reply with quote
Hey TheresaMary,

And Claudia, her sister, and Deb are all Master Trainers, so 6 in total (??) and how I got "a handful and change" of Master Trainers Smile Here's the qualification page on how to be certified as a FE trainer: http://www.flexeffect.com/certification.htm

Anyhow, I apologize for side-tracking this conversation...and now back to Ageless Cool

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Just to add, many people have been messaging me, and at no point did I say the skin sags first, as thats an after occurence, its usually the muscle will sag and drag the skin down with it. And there are many more differences between facial muscles other than their insertion points, size, muscle fibre ratios etc all differ individuals to individuals. What I actually said was (and emphasis I'm bolding here is the direct statement ):

This means that when the facial muscles sag, the skin attached to them goes along for the ride.

Its also important to note, my posting actually goes much more into depth than that one paragraph on the forum, and I've read Lou's reasoning for this but do not agree with it entirely but am by no means saying that my answer is conclusive as I'm sure its one of those things which again differ individual to individual. Just thought that many people were asking me why I made that statement, and its not my statement but CM's understanding of my original statement.

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Just to add, many people have been messaging me, and at no point did I say the skin sags first, as thats an after occurence, its usually the muscle will sag and drag the skin down with it. And there are many more differences between facial muscles other than their insertion points, size, muscle fibre ratios etc all differ individuals to individuals. What I actually said was (and emphasis I'm bolding here is the direct statement ):

This means that when the facial muscles sag, the skin attached to them goes along for the ride.

Its also important to note, my posting actually goes much more into depth than that one paragraph on the forum, and I've read Lou's reasoning for this but do not agree with it entirely but am by no means saying that my answer is conclusive as I'm sure its one of those things which again differ individual to individual. Just thought that many people were asking me why I made that statement, and its not my statement but CM's understanding of my original statement.


Yikes, sorry, Sean, for my sloppy paraphrasing!! Shock I didn't mean that you said the relationship was causal, but re-reading what I wrote, it was quite sloppily worded, so I apologize for that!

Anyhow, Sean has a very nuanced and thoughtful analysis of all the changes that occur on the FlexEffect 3rd edition board, AND the benefit of his post is that it is written by an expert Smile Cool

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Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:48 am      Reply with quote
Don't worry CM, I know that wasn't your intention but others were all too happy to read that and attribute it to me, and I just thought it was wise to point out. Otherwise others might think me a mad man - skin sagging first and all.

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Yikes, sorry, Sean, for my sloppy paraphrasing!! Shock I didn't mean that you said the relationship was causal, but re-reading what I wrote, it was quite sloppily worded, so I apologize for that!

Anyhow, Sean has a very nuanced and thoughtful analysis of all the changes that occur on the FlexEffect 3rd edition board, AND the benefit of his post is that it is written by an expert Smile Cool

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Hi, This is my first post on this board so I hope I do it right. I am 52 and hate the jowls and drooping mouth. I have marionette lines and I guess my cheeks have fallen. I was googling and found this thread about ageless face exercise to pump up the cheek muscles. I can't even believe that you can actually exercise the face and restore some youth. Is this possible? Has anyone had any good results from using the ageless system and is it very hard or time consuming? Also, I read that if you order the system you might not get it. Is there somewhere I can get the system for sure? I know Im lengthy but really excited if there is something out there to help this sagging face. Thanks to those who respond.
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Hey Sujean

You've come to the right place.... that sounds like me in my early 50's. Believe it facial exercises rock and I wouldn't be without them. Take a look at the befores and afters on the Ageless Website and FlexEffect too. Ageless isn't very time consuming, but there is problems with the ordering part there. So I think if I were you I'd advise you to try other programs first. Take a look at these instead:

www.flexeffect.com
http://www.flexeffect.com/beforeafter.htm (scroll down the bottom of the page)

www.facercise.com

http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/
http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/before-after/

In fact I think Carolyn started in her 50s by buying other programs and then designing her own and many say its an easy program to use, but I've never used it. I tried Facercise and it didn't do anything for me, and I used the new dvd for ages and just ended up giving it to a friend. The puff puff blow comment someone made a little while ago just cracks me up. I tend to use FlexEffect now, and am really loving it. I did do Ageless for a while, but it only built up my cheeks and did jack for my lower face, which is why I felt the need to move from it.

Thing about these photos is that they are sent from the people themselves, so they've often been criticised because of lighting etc but I think you can still see some definitive changes there!

Theresa
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Hey Sujean wave ,
I agree with TheresaMary....I too started facial exercises at 52....am 55 now and I have found that facial exercises are the only thing that has helped the lower face sag. I have used all the programs mentioned and have settled with Flexeffect third edition. I have many other skin care devices and love them all but facial exercises are truly what lifts the lower face! Wink
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Hi, Thanks for your responses. Being a beginner and just starting face exercise. Which system do you think would be easy enough to stay with it? I'm afraid I won't understand the process and just give up. So I guess I'm asking, which system is easy, quick and effective? It is a little confusing when you know nothing about the exercises. I rely on everyone elses opinions, especially if you have been where I am now. Everything I read looks like bodybuilding people with skills. I am just an average Jane with jowls and sagging skin. I am ready to start a program and feel better about the aging process.
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Hi, Thanks for your responses. Being a beginner and just starting face exercise. Which system do you think would be easy enough to stay with it? I'm afraid I won't understand the process and just give up. So I guess I'm asking, which system is easy, quick and effective? It is a little confusing when you know nothing about the exercises. I rely on everyone elses opinions, especially if you have been where I am now. Everything I read looks like bodybuilding people with skills. I am just an average Jane with jowls and sagging skin. I am ready to start a program and feel better about the aging process.

You are me all over again. I would like to share the process that will help you but out of respect for the topic of this thread I will take this post over to the Flexeffect third edition and answer it. The answer is here
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=550705#550705

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Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:47 pm      Reply with quote
I ordered the download about a wk or two ago and it cut out halfway through downloading. I cannot get back to the link and download it again and Loulou is not answering email. According to the Agelss forum she has not been responding for a bit.
I just wanted to let people know could be a bit risky ordering this in case you don't get anything.

For my situation, I wonder if it is possible to get a copy of the download from someone that has it if I show you my receipt to show I have paid? Not 100% sure how this would be done technically..Seems like lost $ otherwise..
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Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:58 pm      Reply with quote
What exactly is it that you ordered? The PDF? I've got that.
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:47 am      Reply with quote
Just checked my email and she has sent me the link. That's good. Thanks for asking bluugrass Smile
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Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:50 am      Reply with quote
TheresaMary wrote:
Hey Sujean

You've come to the right place.... that sounds like me in my early 50's. Believe it facial exercises rock and I wouldn't be without them. Take a look at the befores and afters on the Ageless Website and FlexEffect too. Ageless isn't very time consuming, but there is problems with the ordering part there. So I think if I were you I'd advise you to try other programs first. Take a look at these instead:

www.flexeffect.com
http://www.flexeffect.com/beforeafter.htm (scroll down the bottom of the page)

www.facercise.com

http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/
http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/before-after/

In fact I think Carolyn started in her 50s by buying other programs and then designing her own and many say its an easy program to use, but I've never used it. I tried Facercise and it didn't do anything for me, and I used the new dvd for ages and just ended up giving it to a friend. The puff puff blow comment someone made a little while ago just cracks me up. I tend to use FlexEffect now, and am really loving it. I did do Ageless for a while, but it only built up my cheeks and did jack for my lower face, which is why I felt the need to move from it.

Thing about these photos is that they are sent from the people themselves, so they've often been criticised because of lighting etc but I think you can still see some definitive changes there!

Theresa


Hi TheresaMary, I've sent you a PM. Interested in your experience with different programs. Smile
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Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:26 am      Reply with quote
Got it and responded. Hope that better explains it! Laughing
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Am so sad Loulou seems to have disappeared and her book doesn't seem to be available anymore. I love her exercises and I've got great results from doing them. I love my cheeky cheeks Very Happy and my upturned eyes. My top lip is all Frenchified and I can pout very nicely thanks to Lou.

I've added in a few things from elsewhere, and adapted her exercises as I've learnt more about my face, and really I got exactly what I wanted from doing the exercises, and more actually. I didn't know that I could change my face when I started doing Ageless, I thought I could maybe just slow down the ageing process a little. Looking prettier and having more symmetrical features is a real bonus I didn't expect.

I hope all Lou's knowledge isn't lost Crying or Very sad

Hawthorn.

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Am so sad Loulou seems to have disappeared and her book doesn't seem to be available anymore. I love her exercises and I've got great results from doing them. I love my cheeky cheeks Very Happy and my upturned eyes. My top lip is all Frenchified and I can pout very nicely thanks to Lou.

I've added in a few things from elsewhere, and adapted her exercises as I've learnt more about my face, and really I got exactly what I wanted from doing the exercises, and more actually. I didn't know that I could change my face when I started doing Ageless, I thought I could maybe just slow down the ageing process a little. Looking prettier and having more symmetrical features is a real bonus I didn't expect.

I hope all Lou's knowledge isn't lost Crying or Very sad

Hawthorn.


Sorry, this is totally off topic--I hope it's okay that I ask this here--but I was wondering what the hibernation diet is...Smile I've not heard of it before, so my curiosity is piqued Smile

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Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:10 pm      Reply with quote
Hello cm! Smile

I googled the Hibernation Diet and found a lot of interesting links, not certain these are the same as Hawthorn is doing? I am not linking all I found so here are 4. Smile

http://www.dietspotlight.com/hibernation-diet-review/

http://www.benefits-of-honey.com/hibernation-diet.html

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/invention/2007/08/hibernation-diet.html

http://ezinearticles.com/?Hibernation-Honey-Diet&id=443881

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Thanks, Darkmoon, for the links! Well, honey is out of the question for me (as a vegan), but I'm still curious about this and the theory behind it. For example, does it have to be honey, as fruit tends to have that same perfect 1:1 ratio of fructose and glucose, and I'm a fruit-o-phile Smile I'd be curious to hear what hawthorn says and what her experience with it has been Smile The word hibernation got my attention, as I have been experimenting with meal timing and sleep, and it seemed like this diet is related to that same thing.

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Thanks, Darkmoon, for the links! Well, honey is out of the question for me (as a vegan), but I'm still curious about this and the theory behind it. For example, does it have to be honey, as fruit tends to have that same perfect 1:1 ratio of fructose and glucose, and I'm a fruit-o-phile Smile I'd be curious to hear what hawthorn says and what her experience with it has been Smile The word hibernation got my attention, as I have been experimenting with meal timing and sleep, and it seemed like this diet is related to that same thing.


I gathered the same about sleep and meal timing, I am sure Hawthorn will know much more in regards to using fruit instead of honey. I had never heard of the diet either, but have read a great deal about meal timing, size, how often to eat small meals ect.
This does piqué my interest, I love exploring many theories out there. Smile

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cm5597 wrote:
Thanks, Darkmoon, for the links! Well, honey is out of the question for me (as a vegan), but I'm still curious about this and the theory behind it. For example, does it have to be honey, as fruit tends to have that same perfect 1:1 ratio of fructose and glucose, and I'm a fruit-o-phile Smile I'd be curious to hear what hawthorn says and what her experience with it has been Smile The word hibernation got my attention, as I have been experimenting with meal timing and sleep, and it seemed like this diet is related to that same thing.


I gathered the same about sleep and meal timing, I am sure Hawthorn will know much more in regards to using fruit instead of honey. I had never heard of the diet either, but have read a great deal about meal timing, size, how often to eat small meals ect.
This does piqué my interest, I love exploring many theories out there. Smile


Yes, me, too. Recently, I've been experimenting with eating my last meal at 4 pm and going to bed around 11 pm - 12 am (I know, I need to work on going to bed earlier!). Anyways, I had this massive detox that I wasn't expecting last week...but now I feel totally euphoric and love it...it's still to early to give a definitive conclusion. I got the idea from Tonya Zavasta's Quantum Eating, though I'm only doing the ``eat your last meal earlier'' part of that...Anyways, I, too, just love hearing about and being open to new theories, ideas, and ways of doing things! Smile I hope you are doing well and enjoying the nice fall weather Smile

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bethany wrote:
Mpstat, you beat me to it....I wrote LL and suggested this very thing last night! Thanks!

Kassy, the download is 106 pages. But you really only need to print the sections with the exercises (a much smaller quantity).


so many pages, do you know if there one book tp buy? Very Happy
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this sounds very interesting,

I know honey is natural and all, but can it possible have the same detrimental effects on the skin as sugar can ?

Jackie xx
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About Louise Annette- Can anyone tell me where she is or how to locate her? After reading all the positive posts on this site, I went to her site and ordered the book & dvd, and have heard nothing, gotten no responses to emails and no book. I really want to learn more but am stymied here. Can anyone help?
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Lulu seems to have vanished. Several people have been asking where she is.
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