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Thu May 12, 2016 11:59 am      Reply with quote
Now are the massage exercises you purchase different than just pinching the skin?? I didn't buy the massage part, so am I missing something or is it just pinching the skin on the forehead (even if it causes temporary lines?) ANd To OtherLoulou, I did send you another PM if you wouldn't mind!. 'thanks
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Fri May 13, 2016 3:59 am      Reply with quote
Yes it is different than pinching the skin, but its massage for the whole face (not just forehead) so whilst there is a technique for the forehead, there are other and different ones but its not just pinching. In fact, the massage for the forehead I doubt would cause lines at all.
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Now are the massage exercises you purchase different than just pinching the skin?? I didn't buy the massage part, so am I missing something or is it just pinching the skin on the forehead (even if it causes temporary lines?) ANd To OtherLoulou, I did send you another PM if you wouldn't mind!. 'thanks
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Just wondering if can you please take a look at my face, what bothers me most are the bulges under my mouth and to the sides and I don't know what causes that. Do you?? ANd any exercises I should avoid based on my face?? And will this program help my issues do you think?? thanks
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Sat May 14, 2016 9:31 am      Reply with quote
Hi again; I see you!

Place your palms flat on the centre of your cheek and then use them to pull up and out towards the temple. Can you see that the thickness at the side of your mouth disappears? Where the face droops the point where many muscles merge and stack up slides into the lower face and becomes visible. The Ageless exercises are devoted to resorting their original uplift.

Mamaherrerra, your issues are the ones that every woman encounters with the downside of the face.You're exacerbating the problem because you're unhappy: your expression is pulling your face down and I feel sad for you because you are so beautiful and not enjoying your young,pretty face to the full. I bet an enormous change in your issues could be brought about by lifting your mood. I think that your expression is the greatest factor In the areas that trouble you so much. Ironic, hey?

Yes, Ageless will address your issues, and as I stated in an earlier post, exercise 6, Crush, is for sculpting the lower cheeks, so you might want to avoid that one. Everything else is suitable for you (and everyone else).

Please try not to scrutinise your face too closely. Get on with things you enjoy and let your face lift in the background, but truly, almost everyone on this board would be overjoyed at having your youth and beauty.

(((Hugs))) mamaherrerra, keep your chin up!

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Sat May 21, 2016 11:34 am      Reply with quote
Hi I heard this program is good but it seems to be geared towards making the face more feminine. I'm a guy! Will this program make me look feminine????

Any men tried it could you post or pm me. Thanks,
Lenny
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Tue May 24, 2016 10:24 am      Reply with quote
Hi Lenny,

Women look more feminine because the bulk is lifted away from the lower face, restoring the shape it had when she was younger. It will do the same for you. Your face will resume the structure of your younger face, it can't change the male form that underlies your face!

About 10% of my one-to-one clients are men. I hope they will contact you Smile

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I guess this mainly addresses British forum members, but if you're interested there'su an article about me/Ageless in this week's Real People magazine.

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Hi all,

i have a question, i hope Loulou can answer or anyone, who made an equal experience.

I am 43 years old and do ageless if you dare since 2 weeks. I am thrilled, that there is a possibility to look better without all that scary botox/filler stuff.

I am pleased with my tiny results so far:

- Skin is emproved and more smooth, less irregular structure on my cheeks.
- cheeks slowly build up
- glow on my cheeks (i haven't seen for years)

But one thing bothers me, i'm not sure what to do about:

Under each of my eyes appears a flat, but visible, bump. Like a small tear sac or maybe lymph node. I can see a small flat hump and if i touch it, i can feel, that it is an oblong stucture from outside corner under eye to the inside corner. So becouse of this structure i don't think, it is a moved fat pad. Visible is just the part on the outside corner.
I have hollows under my eyes for my hole life, so it is not that terrible as it fills this part a litte. But i don't think it will look good, when it gets bigger and i never ever had these bumps, I can see how they appear, when i do resistant training for cheeks.

So what should i do? Maybe less resistance for the exercise, that directly puts the "force" from under eyes upwards? As it presses the "bumps" out?

Thank you!

English is not my mother language, i hope, my writing is understandable.
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Mon May 30, 2016 5:23 am      Reply with quote
I took a picture, but am not able to link it, because i'm a new member. Is there a way, to show the picture anyway?
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Tue May 31, 2016 5:05 am      Reply with quote
Me again Smile

I researched some medical information about construction of eye-area. This is so far:

- There are no lymph nodes under ones eyes
- There are no tear sacs under ones eye. In case of puffiness, this is liquid in context to lymph flow. Or it is fat. (tear sacs are on the sides of nose)

So, i'm quite sure, my little bumps are fat. I have seen a picture of an "beauty" surgery, there ist really fat all around the hole eyeball (except front of course). This is for buffering Laughing

I am happy with my results so far, there are these bad mirrors in my house, i already look better in them. I feel, it's me again. The flesh of cheeks seems to spread in slow motion over my face.

My bumps are getting smaller, i can barly see them. Now i will try to do only one cheek exercise a day. If there are bumps, i know, whitch exercise caused it. Maybe i can adjust it, do it with less power or something...
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Tue May 31, 2016 5:12 am      Reply with quote
Sorry not sure where you researched but there are lymph nodes under the eyes. They are very small and I know this for a fact as I had issues with mine and had to get medical attention at one point. Also if you look in anatomy and physiology books they show you the lymph and it goes around the ears and under the eyes too.

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Me again Smile

I researched some medical information about construction of eye-area. This is so far:

- There are no lymph nodes under ones eyes
- There are no tear sacs under ones eye. In case of puffiness, this is liquid in context to lymph flow. Or it is fat. (tear sacs are on the sides of nose)

So, i'm quite sure, my little bumps are fat. I have seen a picture of an "beauty" surgery, there ist really fat all around the hole eyeball (except front of course). This is for buffering Laughing

I am happy with my results so far, there are these bad mirrors in my house, i already look better in them. I feel, it's me again. The flesh of cheeks seems to spread in slow motion over my face.

My bumps are getting smaller, i can barly see them. Now i will try to do only one cheek exercise a day. If there are bumps, i know, whitch exercise caused it. Maybe i can adjust it, do it with less power or something...
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Tue May 31, 2016 5:39 am      Reply with quote
Hi TheresaMary,

i found descriptions, where there are vessels around the eyes, which connect this area to the lymphatic system.

The facial lymph nodes comprise three groups:

(a) infraorbital or maxillary, scattered over the infraorbital region from the groove between the nose and cheek to the zygomatic arch;
(b) buccinator, one or more placed on the Buccinator opposite the angle of the mouth;
(c) supramandibular, on the outer surface of the mandible, in front of the Masseter and in contact with the external maxillary artery and anterior facial vein.

Their afferent vessels drain the eyelids, the conjunctiva, and the skin and mucous membrane of the nose and cheek; their efferents pass to the submaxillary glands.

But it would be interesting for me to hear other opinions, it think often we can't transfer all these informations from internet to reality. Maybe there are lymph nodes under eye. What size do you think they are (because you said, you had problems with them). Thank you!

Has anybody made similar experiences as i did?
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Tue May 31, 2016 11:33 am      Reply with quote
IF you've had them as well, are they caused by the facial exercises and massages, or something else?






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Sorry not sure where you researched but there are lymph nodes under the eyes. They are very small and I know this for a fact as I had issues with mine and had to get medical attention at one point. Also if you look in anatomy and physiology books they show you the lymph and it goes around the ears and under the eyes too.

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Me again Smile

I researched some medical information about construction of eye-area. This is so far:

- There are no lymph nodes under ones eyes
- There are no tear sacs under ones eye. In case of puffiness, this is liquid in context to lymph flow. Or it is fat. (tear sacs are on the sides of nose)

So, i'm quite sure, my little bumps are fat. I have seen a picture of an "beauty" surgery, there ist really fat all around the hole eyeball (except front of course). This is for buffering Laughing

I am happy with my results so far, there are these bad mirrors in my house, i already look better in them. I feel, it's me again. The flesh of cheeks seems to spread in slow motion over my face.

My bumps are getting smaller, i can barly see them. Now i will try to do only one cheek exercise a day. If there are bumps, i know, whitch exercise caused it. Maybe i can adjust it, do it with less power or something...
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:24 am      Reply with quote
I have had issues with my lymph, and it was at a stressful time in my life so that probably played a huge part of it too. However I have a really good family doctor that I go to, and took my children to, and he is great. He took one look at me and knew something was up and it was that my lymph nodes under my eyes were swollen and I also had a pain in the area around my right ear (which is also a large lymph area). At the time I wasn't doing facial exercises as life was just too busy and I didn't have time/energy for them, but I have done facial exercises for well over 10 years now and wish I started them sooner.

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IF you've had them as well, are they caused by the facial exercises and massages, or something else?
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:23 am      Reply with quote
Thank you, TheresaMary. And hopefully, these bad times are gone for you!

I still don't know, what to do. After all that i have seen in pictures (did some resarch), my bumps are simply fat. I never had fat under my eyes and i'm unsecure now, if i "pressed" fat up and out while doing cheek exercises Crying or Very sad

I am so pleased with the changes for the rest of my face. Really, really happy about it. Only 2 weeks and i like my cheeks again, like the firmer skin over it and eyes are more open. Neck gets better.

But i will not risk to get eye bags, i am already often tired looking. I have quite pronounced hollows under eyes, it's genetic and runs in familiy. So at this moment the little fat bumps don't bother me to much, there is place for them Smile But i can't go on with exercising an pumping fat pads under my eyes.

Loulou, if you read this, do you have an advice?

I can send pictures, i haven't enough postings by now.
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:30 am      Reply with quote
I mean: I have pictures, but can't link them form here.
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Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:20 am      Reply with quote
Hi Dobatz

The single muscle around the eye is responsible for improving every area, every issue.

The muscle Is attached to the fat and the skin. When the muscle improves its condition and flattens it pulls the whole area flat. The droop over the eyes disappears, bags under the eyes, the whole thing becomes smooth.

Fat might accumulate in one place when the muscle is sagging, but once you firm the muscle it will lift/pull the whole area, fat and skin into its original state, spreading the fat out with it when it reforms.

The eye area is one that can be completely youthful all your life and it takes so little work to get it in top condition.

All best,

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PS, it's rather like the accumulation of flesh in the lower face that happens with age. There's nothing new, it's just that Gravity has brought about a redistribution of how everything sits on the face Cool

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Hi otherloulou,

thank you for answering me. Do you think, it's possible, that my cheeks grow too fast compared to my eyemuscles?

Because it was really the case, that the fat under eyes was pushed out! At this moment i stopped doing cheek work for 10 days, and just slightly try to get the eyemuscle stronger. I hope, that ones the eyemuscles are stronger, i can go back to firm the hole face. But it was frightening to see the bumps under eyes. Now they are much better, because i let the cheeks alone.

The fat under eyes is not "free", it is hold by tissue, that is the reason one can see the borders of fatbags and one can not "distribute" the fat by massaging or anything. But i believe - or should i say hope - that the ringmuscle around the eye can hold the hole thing in place.

One thing, if i may...: Have you ever heard or seen this issue in other cases? I just don't want to feel like the exception, for whom face exercises don't work.
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:34 pm      Reply with quote
I've been noticing that my I have one side of my cheeks is fuller and the other has more volume loss. Anything I can do together with the exercises to help with this??? the naso folds are more pronounced,everything and it drives me nuts.
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Mamaherrerra, hi!

You can 'even up' if one side of your face is responding more quickly, by focussing (just in your mind) on the weaker side. I don't know how it works, it just does.

Any problem with your n/l lines indicates lack of rest. They're a side-effect, not an indication of where your face is headed long term 😊

You can do as much work as you like, but your face will always need time to recover before it looks its best. You're not at your best the day after a long run, but your fitness is improving. Same with the face, it's headed towards being smoother and more lifted, give it chance!!

All best,

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I recall Sean of FlexEffect saying something similar and Iím curious to see if there is any proof that this can happen. I know I got a long winded explanation and tried it for a while but didnít see any differences. Iíve also heard Maggio talk about using visualization to equal up the sides but I know myself and several others tried this and it didnít work or produce any results. If something like this could be done, it would be really motivating to have proof of it in photos for example.
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You can 'even up' if one side of your face is responding more quickly, by focussing (just in your mind) on the weaker side. I don't know how it works, it just does.
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And to Theresa Mary, have you noticed that when you started the exercises, your asymmetries became more pronounced as well? Just curious to know if others find that the exercises cause things to become more pronounced or not.
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and again, in my pictures posted above, the whole "dents" in my forehead, like two lines going from each temple that "cut" My forehead in half, like they form a triangle, where the point meets in the middle of my forehead, is massage once a week enough to help with that?
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Iím not sure that I can help much Ė as I started facial exercises in my 50ís and do a mix of different programs/exercises but did programs in full though at the beginning. I donít think I saw things become more pronounced but I didnít see them even out either. Even Facercise says you can address symmetry using mind and visualisation which I found laughable as Carole Maggioís face does not look symmetrical to me. Just my opinion which is why Iím curious as to Loulouís response saying about focus. I know its something a lot of teachers say Ė butg to me if it were true there should be some proof of this.
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And to Theresa Mary, have you noticed that when you started the exercises, your asymmetries became more pronounced as well? Just curious to know if others find that the exercises cause things to become more pronounced or not.
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