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Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:15 pm      Reply with quote
Calling all ladies over 40 who use retinol. Has it made a significant difference and which one do you use?.
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:23 am      Reply with quote
to clarify I dont mean retin a that you buy from a doc etc (in metal tubes)I mean pure skin or Rejudicare or Benev or Remergent...
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:20 pm      Reply with quote
I'm not over 40, but I want to follow this thread. It would be really, really interesting to read their reviews.

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OTC retinol products have been shown in one study to be very effective in reducing signs of aging, but it might take up to half a year to see results.

In a study published in 2007, led by doctors at the University of Michigan Medical School, a cream containing 0.4 % retinol was applied to 36 elderly people up to three times a week. After 24 weeks, the improvement of the skin was dramatic and clearly visible to the naked eye, according to Professor in Dermatology, Dr Leslie Baumann. She highly recommends retinol creams:

http://health.yahoo.com/experts/skintype/12878/6-great-reasons-to-use-a-retinoid/

Here is a thread from EDS archive with more information about the study and before and after pictures of the subjects in the retinol study:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=30249&highlight=retinol+study

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Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:23 am      Reply with quote
You would have to ensure your retinol product has a stated concentration. 0.5% or 1% retinol would be most likely to give you results. Don't buy any retinol products in which the concentration is not stated or you might be wasting your $$$ Of course the results would take some time to show, at least 6 months and maybe more than a year. Even with prescription retinoids like retin A, the antiageing results may take a year to show so don't expect miracles with retinol which is a weaker product.
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:29 am      Reply with quote
I saw a real difference using PSF's retinol. I started on the .5 and used the whole container, then switched to 1 and used the whole container. Now I'm using Rx retin-a two times a week and PSF's retinol 1 three times a week. The other two nights, I just use emu oil and HA. My skin is too sensitive to use it every night.

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Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:28 am      Reply with quote
hi annachan, I recently posted a review on SkinMedica's retinol complex:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=31856.
I thought it was pretty amazing for reducing the appearance of lines (neck-rings, to be exact!) and a good price, too. I checked their website and they're saying the product contains a '1.5% combination of three forms of vitamin A derivatives: retinyl palmitate, retinyl acetate and retinol, which equals 0.65% total retinoids.' Confused I gather that means it's an ok level of concentration.

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Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:17 am      Reply with quote
ejthomas wrote:
hi annachan, I recently posted a review on SkinMedica's retinol complex:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=31856.
I thought it was pretty amazing for reducing the appearance of lines (neck-rings, to be exact!) and a good price, too. I checked their website and they're saying the product contains a '1.5% combination of three forms of vitamin A derivatives: retinyl palmitate, retinyl acetate and retinol, which equals 0.65% total retinoids.' Confused I gather that means it's an ok level of concentration.

Sounds great! But I ordered the PSF retinol....hope its as good ....sounds good?!!!
Heres hoping ..
the PSF sounds as though it is moisturising too....
so you noticed a difference using retinol in a week?
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:06 am      Reply with quote
I prefer retin A since it seems to be more effective but I did see positive effects from Green Cream levels 6 and 9. I am over 50.
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Hi there! I just bought the Affirm 1X which is only .15% retinol Sad I've only used a few days but I am assuming after reading this thread that it won't do much for fine lines due to the low % of retinol Sad

However, I must say that it cleared up any tiny "bumps" I had on my face and my skin looks very clear and smooth.
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:56 am      Reply with quote
hi annachan, yes, just a week. That's one of the reasons I found it so remarkable. Good luck with the PSF. Seems like a good brand to me. I used their DMAE for a while and thought it was brilliant.

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Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:05 am      Reply with quote
Hmmmm.... I obviously need to pump up my % of retinol!

Now I'm just trying to pick between Green Cream Level 6, SkinMedica, Afirm 3X which all have the same % of retinol (.6%)...

Just wondering if there is a benefit to the different forms in SkinMedica's formulation?? I don't see that in the others.

Did anyone find SkinMedica extremely drying? The Green Cream seems to have ingredients that would soothe as well????
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:33 am      Reply with quote
hi tiffanyw16. No, I don't find the Skin Medica drying at all, but I do use it sandwiched between the recommended Skin Medica Recovery Complex (a base gel that I don't think is worth buying) and Valmont Regenerating Radiance Cream. The Retinol Serum certainly doesn't provide much hydration, but it isn't drying either; it really depends on what you put on top of it.

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Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:34 am      Reply with quote
Oakview wrote:
I prefer retin A since it seems to be more effective but I did see positive effects from Green Cream levels 6 and 9. I am over 50.



I found Green Cream 6 & 9 gave very positive results. I've also used Retin A and still do.
Green Cream is a little less harsh - meaning less dry and flaky skin as a result of using. And with Green Cream I had "glow" after a bit. it was great but Retin-a was more economical and proven as the gold standard of anti-aging. (Get it from India - no RX needed).
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:48 am      Reply with quote
sister sweets wrote:
Oakview wrote:
I prefer retin A since it seems to be more effective but I did see positive effects from Green Cream levels 6 and 9. I am over 50.



I found Green Cream 6 & 9 gave very positive results. I've also used Retin A and still do.
Green Cream is a little less harsh - meaning less dry and flaky skin as a result of using. And with Green Cream I had "glow" after a bit. it was great but Retin-a was more economical and proven as the gold standard of anti-aging. (Get it from India - no RX needed).



What company do you order from?? I've heard people have had some problems with the online companies....
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:58 am      Reply with quote
annachan wrote:
Calling all ladies over 40 who use retinol. Has it made a significant difference and which one do you use?.



I've been using Retin-A, alternating between .5 + .1% for 7 months 2 or 3 X per week, and Viterol A a couple of times per week..

My results are as follows;

- Approximately 75% reduction of the deep lines on the outside eye corners. What was a deep vertical V shape, has plumped up and filled in. Deep crows feet when laughing are still there.

- I had a lot of fine lines just under the lower lips at the corners that are about 75% softer, and only visible in a magnifying mirror now. Smokers vertical upper lip lines are not visible at rest.

- I had a long fairly deep vertical line down my right cheek from my fairly large, deep dimple there, and it's invisible now.

- I have little or no congestion on my nose, and pores are less visible everywhere.

- I've seen no further improvement in the 2 neck lines that I have, or in the 2 fairly deep vertical forehead lines.

_ The NL line is softer, but still visible.

- I haven't noticed any additional firming, that I wasn't already having with other measures.

To be fair, I have also used my LED very committedly over the last 15 months, and I believe that device, plus the Retinols, have complimented each other, giving me the best possible result.

At this point in time I am just happy to do whatever I can to "slow down" the aging process a little. Believe me when I tell you, at this age, it's a battle every step of the way. Menopause and every year that follows, brings changes to your skin that you will not believe..

For you young'uns, do everything you can now, to build the collagen and save the elastin. And for Gawd's sake, stay the hell out of the sun! The cumulative UV damage we get over the course of our life, will catch up with you all at once after menopause... And yes, it will be quick and devastating!

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Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:13 pm      Reply with quote
annachan wrote:
to clarify I dont mean retin a that you buy from a doc etc (in metal tubes)I mean pure skin or Rejudicare or Benev or Remergent...

These are the products I have used and I am way over 40.
I started with ROC -OTC = little improvement
Cellbone Retinol 1.0 = very little
Green Cream 3 worked up to 9 = best,but gradual improvement.
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:54 pm      Reply with quote
I've used the Skin Medica Retinol Complex and found it nice to use but no radical improvements. I used it for a couple of months and have ordered more so hopefully after this lot I will notice more of a difference. I wasn't sure of the % of retinol in this product so I am pleased to see that it is .6%. I thought it must have been less because I didn't have any adverse reaction.

One good thing the study showed is that you don't have to use the retinol every single night as it was administered up to 3 times a week. This is particularly good news for those that have had adverse reactions such as peeling and redness. The bad thing is that once you stop using these products for a while, the skin will revert to the way it was. Obviously that means we can't relax our skin care routines at all and need to keep buying more products from EDS!!
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Can anyone recommend a retinol body product or hand cream with at least .5% retinol?

The skin on my hand resembles one of the photos in the 2007 study posted by Septembergirl and I have been trying a number of hand and body creams. They make the skin look a bit better when I put them on but there's been no long term change. Now I know I should be using retinol on them but I don't know which creams have the recommended percentage, apart from face creams, but as I would put the cream on my hands and arms that would become too expensive.
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I am not 100% sure what the percentage is, but Chantecaille has retinol body cream. Lots of $$$

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ZO Skin Health makes a day and night hand cream with Retinol in it. I am sorry, but I don't know the % of the Retinol. I like these 2 products. The day formula is nice, as it also has sunscreen in it, and it is not greasy at all. I do find that the night cream leaves a little bit of greasy feel to me, but nothing horrible. They also have the Oraser body cream that has retinol, but, again, I don't know the % of the Retinol.
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miss anna wrote:
Can anyone recommend a retinol body product or hand cream with at least .5% retinol?

The skin on my hand resembles one of the photos in the 2007 study posted by Septembergirl and I have been trying a number of hand and body creams. They make the skin look a bit better when I put them on but there's been no long term change. Now I know I should be using retinol on them but I don't know which creams have the recommended percentage, apart from face creams, but as I would put the cream on my hands and arms that would become too expensive.


miss anna, I am afraid you will need to purchase a face cream with retinol for your hands if you want a 0.5 % concentration of retinol (which is what you need to get results).

The most "active" hand cream I am aware of, is NIA24 SunDamage Repair for Decolletage and hands. It contains 2.5 % niacinamide along with vitamin E, Green Tea extract and other antioxidants. I think it's a good buy. It's 55 CAD for 150 ml. Niacinamide might also be beneficial for aging hands, though not as effective as retinol...

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/nia24-sun-damage-repair-f-p_8784.htm

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Yes you may be right Septembergirl. I guess I could get one of the least expensive ones with the .5% concentration and only use it 3 x a week to make it last longer. I definitely want to try something though because the crepiness really makes me feel old. I must admit I have been more lax in putting sunscreen on my hands in the past. I may try the Zo creams as well.
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Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:55 pm      Reply with quote
Retinol is the most effective thing for anti-aging skincare, but it may bring irritation and make you allergic.
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Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:29 pm      Reply with quote
Septembergirl wrote:
miss anna wrote:
Can anyone recommend a retinol body product or hand cream with at least .5% retinol?

The skin on my hand resembles one of the photos in the 2007 study posted by Septembergirl and I have been trying a number of hand and body creams. They make the skin look a bit better when I put them on but there's been no long term change. Now I know I should be using retinol on them but I don't know which creams have the recommended percentage, apart from face creams, but as I would put the cream on my hands and arms that would become too expensive.


miss anna, I am afraid you will need to purchase a face cream with retinol for your hands if you want a 0.5 % concentration of retinol (which is what you need to get results).

The most "active" hand cream I am aware of, is NIA24 SunDamage Repair for Decolletage and hands. It contains 2.5 % niacinamide along with vitamin E, Green Tea extract and other antioxidants. I think it's a good buy. It's 55 CAD for 150 ml. Niacinamide might also be beneficial for aging hands, though not as effective as retinol...

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/nia24-sun-damage-repair-f-p_8784.htm


Thank you Septembergirl! I think it is really hard to find a brand & product that sell in large quantity of retinal to be used on the body.

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