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Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:49 am  |
I just found the ingredients to Creme de la Mer and I am confused.
I thought these ingredients were bad for the skin?
At 130 dollars an ounce I expected more.
So is Vaseline okay to use on the face? Aren't Petrolatum and Vaseline the same thing?
Help!!!
Pip 
Creme de la Mer
• Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum): emollient
• Petrolatum: occlusive
• Glycerin: humectant
• Isohexadecane: thickening agent and emulsifier
• Microcrystalline Wax (Cera Microcristallina): commonly used thickening agent
• Lanolin Alcohol: emollient, very closely resembles your skin's natural oils
• Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil: emolllient, can be irritating to those with very sensitive skin
• Magnesium Sulfate
• Paraffin: occlusive
• Decyl Oleate: emollient
• Aluminum Distearate: emulsifier
• Octyldodecanol: emulsifier with emollient properties
• Citric Acid: used to adjust the pH
• Magnesium Stearate: thickening agent
• Panthenol: humectant
• 6 Fragrances are listed individually here
• Methylchloroisothiazolinone: preservative
• Methylisothiazolinone: preservative
• Alcohol Denat: Denaturized alcohol
• Fragrance |
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:05 am |
Some people like doctor Obagi say mineral oil is bad. Other doctors disagree and say its harmless, since it is so refined. It's a bit of a debate in the "skin community." I personally choose not to use it. But there are many people with excellent skin who use it. Tyra Banks slathers vaseline all over her face and she looks fantastic. Marcia Cross is said to use Creme de la Mer and she looks great too.
I haven't seen any studies proving it was bad for the skin. The problem with mineral oil is that it "locks" all the other ingredients to your skin, like a sheet of plastic wrap. Some people think its bad since your skin cant breath. Others think its fine, as long as none of the other ingredients that will be locked against your skin are acne-causing or irritating.
By the way, don't believe all the stuff about it being related to crude oil or what have you. It is not toxic since it undergoes a refining process. It is used on babies after all. |
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Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:03 am |
Thank you!
Yes, I have been researching and it is my understanding that these products are actually just fine for the face.  especially aging skin.
It is amazing what you can learn by doing your own research.
Happy New Year!
pippi |
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Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:23 pm |
La mer cream is wonderful for moisturizing and can calm the allergic skin.
It's a pitty this cream is not anti-aging.  |
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Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:23 pm |
i used to use a little jar for the la mer cream. well ,fisrt i should say , i donot understand the ingredents that much ,but i have heard that ,peopele says mineral oil is not good for the pore skin, i am pore skin, so ,i donot think the cream is very nice then.
say the result for using the little jar for the la mer cream. oily after u apply that on the face ,and very complex tu use, have to warm them on the hand for 30sec and apply on the face. i used that cream for nearly a month, did not see much change, |
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Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:52 am |
| I thought mineral oil might cause skin allergy but later found some products, such as La Mer and Avene mask, which are for sensitive skin, contain mineral oil. Maybe mineral oil is not that bad? At least Avene mask works for me. |
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Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:14 pm |
| I would never use anything with mineral oil on my skin. It clogs the pores and they must breathe! It is so important to breathe. I follow Dr. H. regimen and use nothing on my skin during the night to allow my skin to produce the natural oils. No more dry winter skin for me! |
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Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:48 pm |
| Virtually every dermatologist I've worked with says there is nothing wrong with mineral oil and all seem to think Vaseline is the go-to moisturiser. I've never understood this POV actually as both seem to make me break out (and it usually takes a mountain of sugar and a few dozen chocolate bars to get me to break out). |
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Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:02 am |
| I have also heard a dermatolgist advocate the use of petrolatum on the skin. I think it just depends on what works for the individual. Still, I don't think I would be paying the high price for La Mer if it contains high concentrations of these relatively inexpensive ingredients. |
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Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:17 am |
When I think of La Mer cream I think, "exercise in marketing." Among the first creams to be priced in the higher realm, it relies heavily on mystique and pricing for sales (e.g. the playing music to seaweed or whatever they say happens). It reminds me of a marketing project in which I participated centuries ago where we had to figure out why a newly-introduced wholegrain bread wasn't meeting sales projections one year after introduction. It was priced at $1.29. We decided to increase the price to exceed that of a competitor by 40c, making it the most expensive brand in its category at $3.65. It flew off the shelves and doubled sales projections in the next five months. The advertising remained the same. Just the price was changed... Perceived value rules!  |
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Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:07 am |
| I am acne prone and can use mineral oil and petroleum with out problems. I think these one of ingredients are not noted as acne causing but YMMV. Kind of like silicone, I cant use them but many acne prones can. |
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Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:26 am |
Cosmetic grade Mineral Oil + Petrolatum are good products, that get a bad rap..
The secret to getting the best results from them (IMHO of course,) is not to apply them over *crappy* products.. They both work to lubricate the skin, and seal things in...
As an example: When I feel the need for extra moisture occasionally, I will apply a nice thin DIY anti-oxidant serum, let that absorb for 15 minutes, then apply a mixture of Vaseline + Palm or Squalane oil to really push the actives deep, and seal it all in. (Point being, use it as a last step over whatever actives you want to seal in.)
ETA... I just thought of a good example. Think the KH oxygen line which contains Mineral Oil.... The MO is what seals in the oxygen, allowing it to really penetrate, and seal it in..  |
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Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:51 pm |
| Vaseline is okay to use on the face. |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:36 am |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
Cosmetic grade Mineral Oil + Petrolatum are good products, that get a bad rap..
The secret to getting the best results from them (IMHO of course,) is not to apply them over *crappy* products.. They both work to lubricate the skin, and seal things in...
As an example: When I feel the need for extra moisture occasionally, I will apply a nice thin DIY anti-oxidant serum, let that absorb for 15 minutes, then apply a mixture of Vaseline + Palm or Squalane oil to really push the actives deep, and seal it all in. (Point being, use it as a last step over whatever actives you want to seal in.)
ETA... I just thought of a good example. Think the KH oxygen line which contains Mineral Oil.... The MO is what seals in the oxygen, allowing it to really penetrate, and seal it in.. |
Thanks for the tip, Kassy!  |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:49 pm |
Yes, creme de la mer contains mineral oil. You can also find it in Sisley ecological compound too. But it doesn't really matter. I have combination & acne prone skin. Recently I use creme de la mer every night. Usually I warm two peas of size of cream in my palm under the bed light for one minute then apply to my face. It has been four months la mer didn't cause me any acne or clog my pores. So I don't think mineral oil that terrible if they are really well refined.
Btw, creme de la mer is a good moisturizer but just far from miracle. |
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Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:17 pm |
I think that La mer cream is wonderful for moisturizing.
However ,I don't think I would be paying the high price for La Mer, it just a moisturizer. |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:11 am |
I just learned that the German formulation of Nivea creme contains the same ingredients as Creme de la Mer, minus the "special brew/musical seaweed" stuff. So if you really don't buy into all the hocuspocus anyway just go with the Nivea German for the moisturizing properties.
PS - Antonia, I like that phrase "perceived value". And haven't we all fallen for that at one time or another?! |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:21 am |
| I always used to use Vaseline on my lips when I was younger. I much preferred it to any commercial lip balm. It always kept them moist and I never had cracked lips in winter or sun burnt lips in summer. Got out of the habit because so many new products have come on the market... |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:24 am |
Sorry, just following the last thread...
I have used Creme de la mer and found it gave me the little white milia. I think I used too much. I then use the lotion which was better, but as everyone says, it's just a moisturiser and you can find so many more that haven't been sung to that are much better and cheaper. |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:44 am |
I think mineral oil is used in cosmetics so much because it is cheap and quite neutral, it doesn't cause irritations and it isn't allergenic (normally). That's probably the reason why dermatologists do recommend it so often. The most medical salves also are mineral-oil-based because it doesn't react with the active ingredients, what would be very much unwanted. Nonetheless some people seem to get clogged pores, milia or other annoying impacts from it.
As for Creme De La Mer, I never tried. I always thought, this must be a joke: so cheap ingredients, ridiculously overpriced. Must be very well promoted... but they won't get my money  .
As far as I am concerned, I find mineral oil just not grooming, it doesn't anything bad to my skin, but nothing good either. And this is just not what I expect from skincare. I haven't got any problems with using medical salves with the stuff in it or maybe our good old blue Nivea when I want to shield my skin against, maybe very cold weather, but I wouldn't use it for everyday, same as silicone, by the way  . Fortunately my skin likes many natural oils and I'm not overly sensitive to essential oils too, so I can use the most organic/natural skin-care lines. It feels better to me... but it doesn't mean, it must be that way for anybody else, just my personal opinion. |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:26 pm |
I agree with Antonia about 'perceived value'. When creme de la mer first came out it was very well marketed and created a greater demand by producing fewer products so that people had to wait for their supply - same as Cellex C when it first came out. Obviously, if you want something and you can't get it, you want it even more. That's just human nature.
The fact is that we 'baby boomers' have much more disposable income than people in the past, we're living longer and we're thinking about ourselves at long last. We're a 'ready to tap' market for anything new with a convincing story.
That's one reason I like these forums so you can ask for comments about a new product from real people who've actually used it before making the decision to buy or not to buy. Many 'forumers' also provide links to websites with further information which is invaluable!! Thanks to you all! |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:57 pm |
My dermatologist (many years ago) told me to absolutely stay away from vaseline (or products with it) and to be careful about mineral oil products. Something about them contributing to build up in the pores, leading to enlarged pores, oily skin, and pimples.
I think there are lots of alternatives these days to petroleum jelly and mineral oil. All the various silicones come to mind (dimeticone, etc, etc.) So why use these old fashioned ingredients when there are better alternatives?
Probably more to the point, why use any oily product unless your skin is super dry...and usually then it is lacking in WATER, not OIL. |
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:42 pm |
| I use petroleum products only around my eyes. I find this is an area where I need a lot of moisture and I don't get clogged pores, so it's perfect. I lay it on nice and thick in this area only (except occassionally on the lips). I find it reduces the appearance of dark circles because of sealing in hydration, often after I apply HA. |
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Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:10 pm |
| Tyra Banks slathers vaseline on her face before she sleeps. She swears it keeps her skin plump and moist. So maybe petroleum jelly isn't so bad at all? |
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Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:42 pm |
| baby wrote: |
| Tyra Banks slathers vaseline on her face before she sleeps. She swears it keeps her skin plump and moist. So maybe petroleum jelly isn't so bad at all? |
A very old and dear friend, who just happens to be a Dermatologist, told me 20 years ago, that Vaseline and Sunscreen are all anybody needs, if they start using it while young..
He was specifically asked by a bunch of us nurses "what exactly is a miracle skin care product"? The above was his answer.. (I think if I were to ask that same question today, he would add vitamin A, C + E to that list.) |
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