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Corners of mouth droop down - how to move them back up?

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Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:31 am      Reply with quote
Just noticed corners of my mouth seem to droop down a little, so it makes me look like I find something distasteful even when that's not so. I don't know how this happens. DO you know what I'm talking about? I wonder what can be done to fix this. Looks like maybe some muscles are pulling the corners of the mouth downwar, maybe???
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Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:01 am      Reply with quote
They're called marionette lines and are part of normal aging. I think the only way to fix it is to get a filler like Juvaderm injected.
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Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:31 am      Reply with quote
I used to get fillers in my marionette lines, but I started doing the Ageless If You Dare exercises ($10)....my lines were almost eliminated after 3 months, and the corners are no longer turning down like they were. Shock

You can see my pics on page 44 of the Ageless thread on the Tools forum.

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Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:00 pm      Reply with quote
I had these too, they were only just noticeable and I had a little bit of filler injected inside my mouth, about 2cm away from the corners. This really helped.

Another treatment you could consider is the caci - which is a non-surgical lift. You need about 10 treatments and then maintenance every month. These sessions are usually £40-50, however, I go to my local beauty training collage and get them for £12 per session.
Out of the 2 treatments, I find the fillers the most effective.

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Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:47 pm      Reply with quote
smile more,and massage.
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Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:35 pm      Reply with quote
Try some eye and mouth serum or cream
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Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:58 pm      Reply with quote
I've got the same thing and have had all my life (nothing to do with aging). It is sometimes caused by extra strength in the muscles that pull down the corners of the mouth (you can feel them by doing a downturned sad clown mouth). A very small amount of Botox will relax the muscle sufficiently to allow the mouth corners to lift. However, it must be applied skillfully, or you will drool (not an appealing look). Rolling Eyes The downside of that is expense and short duration. Alternatively (or in addition to), facial exercise can reportedly be used to strengthen the lifting muscles.

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Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:50 am      Reply with quote
I did the small amount of botox as well, so did my hubby, and it was a life saver. After several repeats it retrained that muscle and I don't do it anymore. It was a habit and I didn't even realize it.
I also had put in a tiny amount of juvaderm, which collagen took back over, and plumped those little lines right out.
I am so glad I did it!

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Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:38 pm      Reply with quote
tessera wrote:
I've got the same thing and have had all my life (nothing to do with aging). It is sometimes caused by extra strength in the muscles that pull down the corners of the mouth (you can feel them by doing a downturned sad clown mouth). A very small amount of Botox will relax the muscle sufficiently to allow the mouth corners to lift. However, it must be applied skillfully, or you will drool (not an appealing look). Rolling Eyes The downside of that is expense and short duration. Alternatively (or in addition to), facial exercise can reportedly be used to strengthen the lifting muscles.


LOL I don't want to drool. Too funny! Laughing Hmmm..botox is the answer.
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I did the small amount of botox as well, so did my hubby, and it was a life saver. After several repeats it retrained that muscle and I don't do it anymore. It was a habit and I didn't even realize it.
I also had put in a tiny amount of juvaderm, which collagen took back over, and plumped those little lines right out.
I am so glad I did it!


AnnieR, were you talking about juvaderm in the nose to mouth lines? I don't have lines forming at the corners of my mouth down toward the chin yet. I do have the nose to mouth lines. Hate them! Sad
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jessicahe wrote:
smile more,and massage.

I smile a lot already. I'm getting smile lines! Massage? How?


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Everyday five minutes, the appropriate massage with some improving product

What is considered appropriate massage? What is the improving product? I'm sorry. This is confusing to me. Confused


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Try some eye and mouth serum or cream

What eye and mouth serum/cream??? Sorry, but your suggestion is not very helpful as it is not very specific. Why would the cream help to relax muscles?
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jom wrote:
They're called marionette lines and are part of normal aging. I think the only way to fix it is to get a filler like Juvaderm injected.


I heard the term marionette lines before, and didn't know what that was. But I don't have any lines under my mouth. At least not yet. It's just the corners of the mouth look like they curl downward. Maybe it's the beginning of these lines you mentioned?
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bethany wrote:
I used to get fillers in my marionette lines, but I started doing the Ageless If You Dare exercises ($10)....my lines were almost eliminated after 3 months, and the corners are no longer turning down like they were. Shock

You can see my pics on page 44 of the Ageless thread on the Tools forum.


I saw your pictures. You looked great. Thanks! Hey, I have Ageless and have done the day 1 and day 2 exercises. Which exercise (from which day) do you think is the best for these lines? I don't have the lines yet, but hope to prevent them from forming by lifting the corners of the mouth up first before the lines start to form. Glad to know Ageless will help with that.
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Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:34 am      Reply with quote
Yes, I used juvaderm on my nasolabial but also I had two little lines at the corners that extended out so we plumped those up at the same time. They weren't marionette lines yet, but if you don't keep them plumped up and turned up, they can be.

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Bira wrote:
Yiying wrote:
Try some eye and mouth serum or cream


What eye and mouth serum/cream??? Sorry, but your suggestion is not very helpful as it is not very specific. Why would the cream help to relax muscles?


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Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:29 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Bira,

You are absolutely right about the muscles. I have the same problem and am doing the specific FlexEffect program exercises to overcome the stronger triangularis muscles that pull the mouth corners down. I also am retraining myself to overcome this habit by speaking in front of the mirror and consciously moving my mouth in a different, more attractive, way.

I know what you mean - it makes me look cross even though I am NOT! Good luck to you! Good luck to both of us! Smile

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Hi Bira,

You are absolutely right about the muscles. I have the same problem and am doing the specific FlexEffect program exercises to overcome the stronger triangularis muscles that pull the mouth corners down. I also am retraining myself to overcome this habit by speaking in front of the mirror and consciously moving my mouth in a different, more attractive, way.

I know what you mean - it makes me look cross even though I am NOT! Good luck to you! Good luck to both of us! Smile


Hi Fawnie,
Is this an exercise that is not on the video? I only have the video and don't recall any exercise that will move up the corners of my mouth. I'm doing Ageless now as that takes less time but I'm still so bad at trying to complete each day exercises twice a week. I'm aiming to get better. Razz

Oh how do you train yourself to speak differently? I often find myself in an unconscious manner pulling my mouth downward when I'm thinking. It's very annoying.
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Yes, I used juvaderm on my nasolabial but also I had two little lines at the corners that extended out so we plumped those up at the same time. They weren't marionette lines yet, but if you don't keep them plumped up and turned up, they can be.


I'd like to try juvaderm but I'm afraid it will migrate to a different area or it will build up and become a hard line inside my face. Is this unfounded fear?
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Hi Bira,

You could have a handful of issues...

It could be that you have a rather strong triangularis muscle... or one that stays partially engage... either way it can tug down on the corners of the mouth... making for a not so pleasant expression.

So for example, in order to turn my mouth downward I have to actually engage the trinagularis and pull it down. Mine is in fact strong, but through consistent work that fully engages the muscle as well as massage, it generally sets in a relaxed status while remaining toned.

OR, it could be that the muscles at the side or above the lips are in a weakened state (so a ever so slightly stronger trinagularis wins the tug of war so to speak, or the lips just droop for lack of support).. The muscles that you would want to strengthen the most for just specifically this area are the Zygomaticus and the Caninus...

You mention you already have ageless... so I would go to that book and figure out which of her exercises target that area... Granted, it's such a small number of exercises... chances are you would do nicely just doing all of them... Spot training CAN get you into trouble as you may have other issues that you just aren't aware of yet.

I have seen some people that tend to talk this way... Their lips curling down, in fact they tend to have an unnatural smile as well... Often it's some form of learned habit. Perhaps the person once upon a time a condition with their mouth that they preferred to disguise. For example braces, or a an unsightly tooth.

Hope that helps a bit...

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ClaudiaFE wrote:
Hi Bira,

You could have a handful of issues...

It could be that you have a rather strong triangularis muscle... or one that stays partially engage... either way it can tug down on the corners of the mouth... making for a not so pleasant expression.

So for example, in order to turn my mouth downward I have to actually engage the trinagularis and pull it down. Mine is in fact strong, but through consistent work that fully engages the muscle as well as massage, it generally sets in a relaxed status while remaining toned.

OR, it could be that the muscles at the side or above the lips are in a weakened state (so a ever so slightly stronger trinagularis wins the tug of war so to speak, or the lips just droop for lack of support).. The muscles that you would want to strengthen the most for just specifically this area are the Zygomaticus and the Caninus...

You mention you already have ageless... so I would go to that book and figure out which of her exercises target that area... Granted, it's such a small number of exercises... chances are you would do nicely just doing all of them... Spot training CAN get you into trouble as you may have other issues that you just aren't aware of yet.

I have seen some people that tend to talk this way... Their lips curling down, in fact they tend to have an unnatural smile as well... Often it's some form of learned habit. Perhaps the person once upon a time a condition with their mouth that they preferred to disguise. For example braces, or a an unsightly tooth.

Hope that helps a bit...


Thank you Claudia. I'm doing all the exercises in Ageless right now. But I need to try to do them every day. I'm embarrassed to do them in front of my boyfriend so when we get together I don't do them. Not talking lol

Yes I think I do have some issues with my mouth. I seem to unconsciously like to pull my mouth together like blowing a kiss but not really. I'd rather stretch it out like I'm going to smile but not quite. Not sure if I'm explaining myself clearly. Regardeless I end up with my mouth in a downward position. So my triangularis muscle I'm sure is strong!

Would trying to consciously stretch my lips in an almost smiling position constantly help to strengthen up the top muscles?
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I don't think it would hurt... And practicing your smile... in a mirror none the less is a good idea.. you will start to learn the position and perhaps hold it properly without the visual que...

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Ok, Claudia, thanks very much. I will try to keep my mouth up to retrain the corners of my mouth not to droop. Razz
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Doing some face exercise would be helpful. Try speaking A-E-I-O-U again and again loudly, and the muscle would come back to your face and therefore lift the corners of mouth soon.
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Regular massage is the most effective, with some compact tirat Products

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You can spend hundreds on a regular basis on fillers or you can start facial exercises for $10.00.
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