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Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:15 pm |
Superdog...
How long have you been rolling the area where the marks are the same size but the pigment has improved. Have you done any single needling? You've probably ansered this question over the last umpteen postings. |
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:26 am |
I did but only afew times, I thinking of starting to do it again |
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Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:52 pm |
SuperDog
Have you done anything with the single needle ?? |
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Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:23 am |
Does anyone know where you can buy a single needle specifically for skin needling in UK?
Has anyone had good results from needling a small scar? |
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:59 pm |
I finally did my first rolling today. I tried to use the Lidocaine but it wasn't working at all and I was afraid to use too much since I was going to roll huge areas (I later read that you have to use a .25mm roller first because the lidocaine has to be used on broken skin). So anyways, I ended up using some ice, and I chickened out and only used the 1mm instead of 1.5mm. It really hurt - I have a new respect for all of you who have done this. I rolled two areas on my leg, stomach and my right hip. Tomorrow I will do more areas I'll let everyone know about my progress, and I plan to do each area about 4 to 6 weeks apart. |
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:07 pm |
Breezy 42 Good luck to you! I am still gathering supplies! Do you own a .025 roller yet? |
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:58 pm |
Thanks, Bev. :)Good luck to you, also! No, I skipped the .025mm and ordered the .5, 1 and 1.5. I decided to do more aggressive rolls less frequently. I actually got the little blood marks with the 1mm. |
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sarah_buzz13
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Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:30 pm |
Hi, my name is Sarah i'm 19 and live in Australia. My first stretch marks appeared on my thighs when i was about 12-13. Then when my boobs started to grow i got them there too. I became very depressed and my personality changed. I was always a really fit and outgoing girl. But the more sm's i got the more depressed i got. I began to comfort eat.
I now have sm's on my boobs, thighs and hips. In the last year sm's have appeared on my stomach, arms and calves. I have lost 11kg in the last year and they seem to keep appearing.
After reading some the posts i have decided to buy a roller from Dr roller.
I'm really hoping this will work. Its so depressing not wanting to go swimming in summer because of embarrassment. |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:12 am |
Sarah,
It makes me so sad to read a post like yours. Some people's skin are prone to stretchmarks but please bear in mind, that with your youth, your skin is very likely to respond well.
I wish you good luck and please let us know how it goes.
And well done for the big weight loss!
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sarah_buzz13
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:28 am |
Miranda,
Thank you, I'm hoping that i will see good results, but i know I will never be rid of them Like you said age is on my side.
I will let you know how it goes. Although that may not be for quite a while seeing as treatment is once a month.
Does everyone agree that once a month is the best time span to do the treatment? I heard some people do it 3 times a week? |
_________________ Sarah |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:50 am |
Hi Sarah, I am sorry to hear about it, and I think many of us know how you feel. I have read through all these threads, and I believe the best thing to do is use a 1.5mm (I must admit that I'm starting with a 1mm) every 4 to 6 weeks. You shouldn't do it any sooner than that. A few other tips I learned from reading the threads (hope I'm not repeating something you already know ) was do not use Vitamin C and Retin-A together. Vitamin C should be used in the morning. Retin-A should be used at night.
Do not apply Vit C or Retin-A immediately after rolling. Don't use anything that would decrease inflammation for one week after you roll (emu oil, Tylenol, etc.).
Good luck, and I wish you great results! |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:24 pm |
I made a post (I believe it's on the previous page, 14) about the 1 needle, and that someone had had some success with it, I also posted the link from where they bought it.
Well I was just reading another thread on this site, and someone posted a link to one of the sites and the reply someone left was this:
Coconut wrote: |
ammoniasmith wrote: |
Okay, so I will be the guinea pig and check out these cheap knockoffs. I just bought a cheap derma roller micro-needling type tool from a Hong Kong eBay site for $10 (US dollars) with shipping included. I will report back with my results. It is a 3-row, narrow, 0.5mm needle size tool.
I found this site suggesting that we are in fact buying "pirated" copies of the original patented tool anyways. Great info on their testing of cheap copies and their assessment of it.
http://dermaroller.owndoc.com/
I also saw a great before and after photo on stretch marks. It makes me hopeful! |
That site is pure quackery, Sarah Vaughter is full of it. She also wants you to buy her stevia and candida cure. It is one of those sites that uses fake photos and a made up persona to push their products. Probably just some guy in his London apartment trying to sell dermarollers. |
I always doubt stretch mark treatment websites, when you see before and after pictures. If they look pretty good (a good improvement between the two) I always wonder if they have been 'photoshopped' or have they taken someone elses pictures from another website... to get you to buy their product.
Just thought I'd post incase anyone was thinking of buying it. It's always good to hear what other people think of other websites.
I'm not saying this person is right, but then again they could be... who knows.
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Sarah you sound in a very similar situation to me. I got stretch marks on my thighs as a teen, then on my boobs. I now have them on my arms, hips and so on and still seem to be getting them. I am still in the process of losing weight.
I just think it's down to genetics sometimes, we all have different skin elasticity etc. |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:45 pm |
Well I did a little more rolling today - so many stretchmarks Trying to toll with just ice is painful and time consuming. I have to keep stopping to reapply ice, as it wears off fast.
Do any of you have a preference over Emla cream and the Climax spray? I wonder which one works better.
I'm also kind of bummed. I have very thin skin and a lot veins very close to the surface. I'm a little worried about a 1mm or 1.5mm, so I emailed dr-roller, where I got the rollers from. I was told not to use a deep needle if the veins are too close to the skin Has anyone dealt with this yet? |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:23 pm |
Breezy42 ooooowwwww on the pain!
My choice is going to be to buy a .025 roller & Lidocaine HCL 15% through Dr. Roller. Must roll with the .025 roller 1st for absorbtion, & hope for the best. |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:45 pm |
Hi Bev. I ordered the Lidocaine from dr-roller. Unfortunately, I didn't realize that I should have bought the .025mm to break the skin first. Today, I used ice, then lightly rolled with the 1mm, and then rubbed in 3 drops of lidocaine. It helped a little but not much more than ice. The problem with Lidocaine 15% is if you want to do large areas at once (that's what I want to do). I asked the staff at dr-roller about how much I could use, and they said it could be used on a small area so I would need to divide up the areas for different days. I think I will order the Climax spray or Emla cream to compare. I thought I would mention my lidocaine experience in case you haven't ordered yet. I just wondered if something out there would let you do larger areas. |
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sarah_buzz13
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:56 pm |
I only ordered a 1.5mm dermaroller. Do i need to buy a .25 first? Dr roller doesn't stock .25 do they? they have .5, 1 and 1.5.
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Kay, yes i think it is down to genetics. My grandma has them too. They skipped a generation and then i got them. |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:20 pm |
breezy42 wrote: |
Hi Sarah, I am sorry to hear about it, and I think many of us know how you feel. I have read through all these threads, and I believe the best thing to do is use a 1.5mm (I must admit that I'm starting with a 1mm) every 4 to 6 weeks. You shouldn't do it any sooner than that. A few other tips I learned from reading the threads (hope I'm not repeating something you already know ) was do not use Vitamin C and Retin-A together. Vitamin C should be used in the morning. Retin-A should be used at night.
Do not apply Vit C or Retin-A immediately after rolling. Don't use anything that would decrease inflammation for one week after you roll (emu oil, Tylenol, etc.).
Good luck, and I wish you great results! |
Hey Breezy or others
So just to confirm for the 1st 7 days I should only apply vit c am and retin a pm. No other hydrating creams or rosehip oil?
Also the night I roll should I just leave it and put nothing on until the next morning?
Sorry I have so many questions I just want to get it right as I have done one roll months ago and didnt put correct product on. However still a very small improvement Im certain.
Cheers:) |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:15 pm |
Sarah, they do sell the .025mm. It's good for using before the Lidocaine, but I don't think it's essential unless being used for daily product penetration. I've decided not to do that, as I don't want to cause unnecessary inflammation.
Pal, yes, I would use Retin-A at night and Vitamin C in the morning. I would personally wait until the next morning after the roll to put on C if you're using the L-Absorbic Acid. And don't use any creams that will reduce inflammation (not sure if rosehip fits this).
This was a routine that Bethany posted awhile back that may be helpful.
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My routine:
A. I wipe the area with alcohol and may or may not use a numbing agent such as climax spray from http://www.alldaychemist.com or ice
B. I roll (1.5 mm Dr. Roller) in a random pattern because I just don't feel like using the star pattern. I make sure to cover all areas many many times. I use as much pressure as I can handle. Intense less frequent rolls seem to be the preferred method by physicians, the inventor, and pioneers of the process, though they do not necessarily advocate medical roll type usage at home. (There's no way we could recreate a medical roll on our own skin without serious anesthetics.)
C. I shower & dry off.
D. I apply Retin-A. I use .05% from http://www.alldaychemist.com.
E. The next morning I apply Vitamin C. I make a Vitamin C spray using 2 oz. of distilled water and 1-1 1/2 tsp. of l-ascorbic acid in a spray bottle. I buy the l-ascorbic acid from http://www.makingcosmetics.com.
F. The next night (and every night for the next week) I use Retin-A liberally, making sure to thoroughly cover the rolled area.
G. Every single morning I use Vitamin C liberally.
H. After one week (after my roll) I start using Retin-A (at night) every other day.
I. I repeat this process in one month or longer, never stopping my every other night Retin-A and every morning Vitamin C applications.
Misc. Info:
After use I stick my roller in alcohol (enough to cover the needles) and let it soak for 20 mins. Then I rinse it with hot water and put it somewhere to thoroughly dry. Alcohol really should be plenty to disinfect. Drs. use alcohol to disinfect certain items as well as on your skin before they use needles or do a procedure. Do not soak your roller for too long--it may come apart.
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:00 pm |
breezy42 wrote: |
Sarah, they do sell the .025mm. It's good for using before the Lidocaine, but I don't think it's essential unless being used for daily product penetration. I've decided not to do that, as I don't want to cause unnecessary inflammation.
Pal, yes, I would use Retin-A at night and Vitamin C in the morning. I would personally wait until the next morning after the roll to put on C if you're using the L-Absorbic Acid. And don't use any creams that will reduce inflammation (not sure if rosehip fits this).
This was a routine that Bethany posted awhile back that may be helpful.
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My routine:
A. I wipe the area with alcohol and may or may not use a numbing agent such as climax spray from http://www.alldaychemist.com or ice
B. I roll (1.5 mm Dr. Roller) in a random pattern because I just don't feel like using the star pattern. I make sure to cover all areas many many times. I use as much pressure as I can handle. Intense less frequent rolls seem to be the preferred method by physicians, the inventor, and pioneers of the process, though they do not necessarily advocate medical roll type usage at home. (There's no way we could recreate a medical roll on our own skin without serious anesthetics.)
C. I shower & dry off.
D. I apply Retin-A. I use .05% from http://www.alldaychemist.com.
E. The next morning I apply Vitamin C. I make a Vitamin C spray using 2 oz. of distilled water and 1-1 1/2 tsp. of l-ascorbic acid in a spray bottle. I buy the l-ascorbic acid from http://www.makingcosmetics.com.
F. The next night (and every night for the next week) I use Retin-A liberally, making sure to thoroughly cover the rolled area.
G. Every single morning I use Vitamin C liberally.
H. After one week (after my roll) I start using Retin-A (at night) every other day.
I. I repeat this process in one month or longer, never stopping my every other night Retin-A and every morning Vitamin C applications.
Misc. Info:
After use I stick my roller in alcohol (enough to cover the needles) and let it soak for 20 mins. Then I rinse it with hot water and put it somewhere to thoroughly dry. Alcohol really should be plenty to disinfect. Drs. use alcohol to disinfect certain items as well as on your skin before they use needles or do a procedure. Do not soak your roller for too long--it may come apart.
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Hey thanks Breezy for pulling this up. I am itching to get back into rolling and now I have all the products I can finally do it.
Thanks again for your help |
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sarah_buzz13
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:35 am |
Thanks for everyone's help!
I have another question. Are the results better if you use Retin-A? I can't buy it over the internet because i live in Australia and i doubt it would get through customs. |
_________________ Sarah |
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:07 am |
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"That site is pure quackery, Sarah Vaughter is full of it. She also wants you to buy her stevia and candida cure. It is one of those sites that uses fake photos and a made up persona to push their products. Probably just some guy in his London apartment trying to sell dermarollers." |
I looked it up and it's from one of those people spamming for Dr. Roller. They must feel threatened by someone offering a much better total product for a lower price. Sarah's dermaroller test said that Dr. roller was overpriced compared to some cheaper other dermaroller copies. She puts her money where her mouth is and delivers a full package with vitamins and whathaveyou. No wonder the dr. roller people are now accusing her of quackery and fakery..
I don't think it's a guy in his mother's basement.. I had quite a few email conversations with Sarah and she strikes me as being very knowledgeable as a nutritionist but also in medical issues.. and she answered a lot of my questions. To give her credit, she spent more time on my questions than it was probaly worth to her..
She sells dermarollers and two alternative treatments against fungal infection. She doesn't sell any stevia products but she wrote many articles about stevia. So I doubt it's some guy trying to cheat people. Because you made me worried i had a look at her "candida cure" (that sounds dodgy indeed) but it's very different from the standard ebooks and other crap. This stuff is actually a veterinary medicine and she presents real medical research data to back it up.
The before and after pictures on her site, some are general pictures, she admits taking them from the internet. they are to show what dermarollers in general can do for you. The other picture is of the single needle (the results) and I didnt see that picture anywhere else yet. I'm not a photoshop expert but it doesn't look fake at all. The fake ones have artificial contrast "before" and blurring "after".
Perhaps i'm biased bec. I used Sarah Vaughter's single needles and i'm having good results. I've never seen a site with 10 pages PDF of free dermarolling tips either. ANyway don't bash something before you tried it.. |
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:52 am |
marta1 wrote: |
ANyway don't bash something before you tried it.. |
I didn't 'bash it'. I was just making a post for other members. I am not even going to buy this one needle, anyway. I am going to stick to the derma roller. I can't afford much of anything right now.
I simly made the post incase anyone else wanted to read it. I never said the person who said the above was right, I said who knows. I also never said that the above website had photoshopped photos, I meant I always wonder IN GENERAL when I see a stretch mark treatment photo if the photos MIGHT be photoshopped.
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I always doubt stretch mark treatment websites, when you see before and after pictures. If they look pretty good (a good improvement between the two) I always wonder if they have been 'photoshopped' or have they taken someone elses pictures from another website... to get you to buy their product.
I'm not saying this person is right, but then again they could be... who knows. |
Who knows, no one does!
There is so much incorrect info about streth marks on the net. MANY scams, trying to get us kind of people to buy products because they know we're desparate, so I get doubtful.
I just want to draw this to the peoples attention who are asking about using the Vit C spray... inase you have missed it (YOU ARE ENTITLED TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AND MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND)
(I happen to think Barefootgirl is someone we should listen to, she seems very knowledgeable)
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From what I have researched, L-Ascorbic Acid is a good topical to use before rolling, but after rolling - it can cause problems - use an oil based C serum - important.
BF |
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Kay2008 wrote: |
Do you know what sort of problems it can cause? Do you mean applying direcly after a roll... or using it daily after a roll?
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Using Ascorbic acid right after rolling has been associated with tissue necrosis
That's why it's better to use some sort of oil-soluble Vitamin C the day you roll. |
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:02 am |
marta1 wrote: |
I looked it up and it's from one of those people spamming for Dr. Roller. They must feel threatened by someone offering a much better total product for a lower price. Sarah's dermaroller test said that Dr. roller was overpriced compared to some cheaper other dermaroller copies. She puts her money where her mouth is and delivers a full package with vitamins and whathaveyou. No wonder the dr. roller people are now accusing her of quackery and fakery..
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Maybe so, but this isn't the first time I've seen someone say something negative about that site. I've seen it on other forums too. Even in the one on female first (cannot remember who posted it).
At the end of the day it's upto the indivivual who buy what.
I originally made a post about the above site, because on anothe stretch mark forum I am on someone posted success, which is great.
If you have the money spare (which alot of us don't nowadays) go and buy a single needle from them, you don't really have anything to lose if you can spare the cash. I can't right now, so will stick to the rollers I already have.
I just think people who don't have alot of money right now, should not be rushing into buying 'new' things they know nothing about.
EDIT: I just want to say to martal... I am sorry if my previous post before this one comes across like I am a stroppy cow... I just wanted to state that I myself wasn't slamming that website. If I had the money spare I'd buy the 'package' they offer myself, because I really wouldn't have anything to lose.
We're all entitled to our opinion on things, I don't have one for the site because I know nothing about it other than what other people have said about it.
I do apologise if I came across rude/blunt etc. |
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:02 pm |
Kay I am also sorry because I did not make it clear in my posting that it was not you who said it. I apologize for that. |
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Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:48 pm |
sarah_buzz13 wrote: |
Thanks for everyone's help!
I have another question. Are the results better if you use Retin-A? I can't buy it over the internet because i live in Australia and i doubt it would get through customs. |
Hey Sarah
Not an expert but yes Retin-A application gives better results. I live in Australia also and purchase retin-a from ADC, it normally arrives within 7 working days and so far I have had absolutely no problems with them. I have ordered 2 or 3 times now. I order about 5-6 at one time because the postage is a little high.
www.alldaychemist.com
HTHS |
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