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Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:48 pm |
This is Miranda wrote: |
Could this really be the dermaroller?? I'm not doing anything else so I'm assuming it is. |
How long ago was it since you started rolling? If it's less than three months then it's probably not reaaaal results (unless you have amazingly fast recovering skin ) but I'm glad for you
On another note...
YES. FREAKING. YES. My SM's on my stomach are looking SOOOOOO much better!!! I'm about to burst into tears, seriously. It's amazing. They're becoming more skin colored and they miiight be lessening in width/depth as well (but the color is what I'm noticing the most). I'm so excited right now!!!
Ah excuse for the exclamation mark overload but I'm so freaking happy. Maybe there is a light in the end of this tunnel! |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:26 pm |
Miranda, that's great news!!!! I love hearing good results. It's only been 2weeks since my first peel, so I can't tell yet.
On a side note, I ordered a single needle from Sarah Vaughter to use on deeper wrinkles, scars and stretchmarks. I also ordered a roller from her just to compare it to the one I got from Dr. Roller. She had really great instructions on her site, and she also included Vitamin C powder and a special cream. I'll let you know how it goes. I have to roll with a regular roller first, then use the single needle 5 days after. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:44 pm |
Loosey wrote: |
How long ago was it since you started rolling? If it's less than three months then it's probably not reaaaal results (unless you have amazingly fast recovering skin ) but I'm glad for you
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Hi Loosey,
I only started 6 weeks ago and have done two, what I would call mild rolls with a 1.5mm, the last time one week ago. I didn't use any numbing so only rolled gently with pinprick marks left on my stomach but no blood. Both times I had red 'sunburnt' skin for 3-4 days after though. Straight after rolling then showering, I would put on Retin A 0.1%, Vit c powder and Hempseed oil (full of vit E).
I'm very wary of inflammation and I genuinely don't believe this smoothing out is down to this. But yes as you say, it is too early for my skin to be repairing but I can't explain it any other way. I don't use the RetinA, Vit C & E any other time (did RetinA for 6 months last year without any joy). I have also started using a home microdermabrasion machine called Timepeel once a month - but I also did a course of salon MD 4 years ago without any improvement.
I do think this is down to the dermaroller although the other changes I have made are these:
I discovered body pH balance and have adjusted my eating habits slightly.
I take MSM and Vit C supplements daily.
But anyway, well done on your improvements! How long have you been dermarolling and what is your technique? |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:20 pm |
Miranda & Loosey, I want to congratulate you on your improvements!
I am so happy for you & You are giving the rest of us hope. Thank you |
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:25 am |
My stretch marks on the back have improved. They are now more skin color but they still have this shiny element to them.... But like wow derma rolling is the only thing that has helped on skin ageing and stretch marks for me. I intend to keep rolling. I am more excited now cause i recieved a 2mm roller which i am sure will improve the results cos the body skin is much thicker than the face and i also got an eye roller.
Tho i much say the 2mm roller needles look so long and scared it looks like a torturing instrument lol |
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:54 am |
Well done Superdogg....it can't be easy rolling your back! I'm completely convinced that dermarolling works.
What is the eye roller like?
Also (I know you're UK based), where do you buy your needles? |
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Vivella
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Joined: 10 Nov 2009
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:47 am |
Hi everyone,
I’m new to the board but I’ve been reading for a while. I just wanted advice on where everyone has bought their rollers. I have heard that people are using the Dr Roller, but then that ‘owndoc dot com’ website says that they have tested them and they do not rate them, and offer another type instead. I also live in Australia so if there are any places more suited to our dollar/location that would be good, but I am just after a good place to buy a quality roller in general. I would greatly appreciate any advice on this, especially with that website it is quite confusing and I am very keen to start!
Thank you
Viv |
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Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:02 am |
Hi Vivella and welcome to this brilliant thread!
I bought my 1.5mm dermaroller off Ebay. The make is Derma Q. I'm no expert on what is a good quality roller but the needles seem sharp enough (it hurts!) and it arrived in a sterile looking package.
I'm hunting for a single needle seller in UK if anyone knows one. |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:22 am |
well aslong as u have a mirror and u hold near the base of the roller u can do a pretty aggressive roll. I havent rolled my back coming to two months.
What i will say make sure u bleed.... if a 1.5 needle goes into ur skin ..U WILL BLEED. Otherwise it will just be sitting on the skin.
I buy my derma rollers from ebay at zmart beauty. They are strong and very cheap
I am in london |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:25 am |
You could try buy acupuncture needles... They are at any chinese herb shop |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:20 am |
I do get puncture marks that last quite a few days but no oozing of blood.
I know you're right Superdogg about having to draw blood, as the Dr. Fernandes article shows, the correct method should leave your dermarolled body part looking like a bloody pulp!
But I hate the sight of blood and I don't want to use the much debated numbing creams so I thought I would experiment and see if doing a 'light' roll would have any effect - I guess I'm doing the equivalent of a .5mm roll with a 1.5mm DR.
I'll give myself til next summer to see results and if not, will just have to go deeper.
I am still excited about my tiny smooth patch though!
Also thanks for the acupuncture needle idea. Will check that out now. |
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TukityTukers
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:31 pm |
I was actually wondering the same thing about copper peptides.
I also have another question about derma rolling..
The treatment I've been doing is to use 30% glycolic acid on my SMs, then to layer copper peptides and emu oil on top.
If I understand derma rolling correctly, I would only use it maybe once a month. Can I skip my glycolic acid treatment the day I roll, but otherwise keep up my treatment as is? Should I add in vit. a with the treatment, and use vit. c in the morning? |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:34 pm |
OK all you veteran rollers out there...
I have read that emu oil and now I read that CP's contain anti-inflammatory properties. I was under the understanding that one would not want to use an anti-inflammatory with a rolling or needling program because you want to promote inflammation (not micro inflammation) in the stretch mark. I am so very confused now. |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:59 pm |
I am posting a pic of one of my problem areas. These go from the top of the thigh down to the knee. I feel like tiger lady. Does anyone else have this type of marks in this area?? |
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:01 pm |
OMG!! I did not expect that to come out like a drive-in theatre screen |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:13 am |
Bev7429 wrote: |
OMG!! I did not expect that to come out like a drive-in theatre screen |
Sorry Bev I don't mean to laugh but that's so funny!
I'm too thick to work out how to get a photo onto here so well done for managing to do it (even if it was alittle larger than you expected!)
This is what I found about inflammation (see below); it does seem to be the fundamental point of dermarolling working so yes, I guess anti-inflammatory products could/would be counter-productive. I was curious about CPs because of their healing ability - I wonder if regular mild rolls (0.5mm) with CP application after would be good for the period in between the deeper rolls.
Any experts out there who can help us on this??
"A completely different picture emerges
when thousands or tens of thousands of fine pricks
are placed close to each other and one gets a field effect, because the bleeding is virtually confluent. This promotes the normal post-traumatic release of growth factors and infiltration of fibroblasts. This reaction is automatic and produces a surge of activity that inevitably leads to the fibroblasts being ‘‘instructed’’ to produce more collagen and elastin.
The collagen is laid down in the upper dermis just
below the basal layer of the epidermis (Fig. 12).
It now becomes important to understand the process of inflammation in detail. An excellent reference
on this topic is the chapter ‘‘Wound Healing’’ by Falabela and Falanga in The Biology of the Skin
[9]. There are three phases in wound healing:
Phase I: inflammation, which starts immediately
after the injury
Phase II: proliferation (tissue formation), which
starts after about 5 days and lasts about 8 weeks
Phase III: tissue remodeling, from 8 weeks to
about 1 year
Phase I: initial injury
The inflammation phase starts when the needles
prick the skin and rupture blood vessels and blood
cells and serum gets into the surrounding tissue
(Fig. 13). Platelets are important in causing clotting and releasing chemotactic factors, which cause an invasion of other platelets, leucocytes, and fibroblasts.
The leucocytes, particularly neutrophils, then
act on the damaged tissue to remove debris and kill bacteria. After the platelets have been activated by exposure to thrombin and collagen, they release numerous cytokines. This process involves a complex concatenation of numerous factors that are important in (1) controlling the formation of a clot (eg, fibrinogen, fibronectin, von Willebrand factor, thrombospondin, ADP, and thromboxane); (2) increasing vascular permeability, which then allows the neutrophils to pass through the vessel walls and enter the damaged area; (3) attracting neutrophils and monocytes; and (4) recruiting fibroblasts into the
wounded area."
Sorry it's copied over strangely. |
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Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:00 am |
Bev7429 wrote: |
I was under the understanding that one would not want to use an anti-inflammatory with a rolling or needling program because you want to promote inflammation (not micro inflammation) in the stretch mark. I am so very confused now. |
Yeah this has been discussed before, many people were wanting to use emu oil, and it can be used as an anti-inflammatory... but part of the derma rolling process is inflammation (this is good/ok... micro inflammation is not, and cannot be seen). Alot of people suggested not using a product like emu oil until about 5 days after a roll. When I have rolled, I've never used it at all myself.
My thighs are covered in stretch marks... but in the opposite direction lol. Yours are horizontal (I believe these are normally, but not always, caused through growth spurts) and mine are vertical. Mine are caused through weight gain.
My mum has them exactly like you, but they are deeper and thicker. They are horizontal and go from the top of her thigh (near the hip) down to about 3/4's of her thigh. She gained those ones while pregnant with me (she had a very big bump, but didn't put on any weight, and even her thighs were tight and stretched because of her big baby bump)... sorry mum |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:12 am |
Bev I wish my stretchmarks were as mild as yours. At least on that photo they look OK. Mine are much deeper and wider and I haven't even been pregnant yet.
My boyfriend kissed me yesterday evening on my stomach and he said "did you use some lemon juice on your skin?". I was obviously sticky from my vit.C serum...
I think he starts to think that I am a complete nutcase I will have to dilute my serum a bit..
But we have been together for a long time and so far so good |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:20 pm |
marta1 wrote: |
Bev I wish my stretchmarks were as mild as yours. At least on that photo they look OK. Mine are much deeper and wider and I haven't even been pregnant yet.
My boyfriend kissed me yesterday evening on my stomach and he said "did you use some lemon juice on your skin?". I was obviously sticky from my vit.C serum...
I think he starts to think that I am a complete nutcase I will have to dilute my serum a bit..
But we have been together for a long time and so far so good |
I know how you feel. I have stretch marks on my stomach (I'm assuming you do too from your post? sorry if I have that wrong)... and I have never had any children. I started getting stretch marks on my stomach when I was 14 years old, I'd only gone up by about 1 stone in weight (1 stone over my ideal weight for height/age - so wasn't even classed as overweight)... I don't think it was a case of how much I'd gained, it was how quickly I gained it.
Anyway, my stomach right up to my belly button (and down to my pubic bone) is covered in large stretch marks. Some are about 4 inches long and upto 5mm in width. They are silver now of course, because they are at least 9 years old... but if they were still pink/purple I'd look as if a tiger/lion clawed my stomach.
I used to get SO upset looking at my stomach, thinking I have the stomach of someone who has had 3 children, and I have actually had NO children yet. I started to get upset thinking, God what will my stomach look like when I do get pregnant!? (no plans yet! not ready for kids)... it could end up looking even worse, like a walnut or something. But I think I'm over that now, I have come to terms with them as best I can. I'd never show my stomach off anyway, unless it was FLAT... and that will never happen either, I've always got a slight roll of flab around it lol... so it will always be hidden.
My main problem is keeping it hidden from my boyfriend - I've managed ok for the past 5 years so... |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:22 am |
Guys i really need your help. My body has become totally immune to emla ....I don't knoww hat to do i need to find something to get rid of the pain...someone please help! |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:28 am |
superdogg wrote: |
Guys i really need your help. My body has become totally immune to emla ....I don't knoww hat to do i need to find something to get rid of the pain...someone please help! |
Oh no. What else have you tried? I have heard that some of the girls used Climax spray, Tridocaine and Lidocaine. I used the Lidocaine 15% and actually liked the Tridocaine better. I have emla but haven't tried it yet to see if it is better or worse than tridocaine, but I'll let you know as soon as I do. |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:28 am |
Hi, I don't do dermarolling for stretchmarks, but a great topical for laser hair removal or IPL is L-M-X 5, which is 5% Lidocaine, although since it is also Lidocaine it may not work for you, Superdogg. There is another topical anesthetic called Tridocaine which is a combination of benzocaine, lidocaine and tetracaine, available online from Canada. Link to L-M-X: http://www.dermstore.com/product_L-M-X+-+5_144.htm . Link to Tridocaine: http://www.canadadrugsuperstore.com/more.asp?ProductID=68977. I am sure you may be able to find better prices if you search the internet. HTH! ~ JJ |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:02 pm |
Superdogg, I tried the Emla today and felt like it worked better than the Tridocaine and Lidocaine 15% I tried. Maybe trying something without the same ingredients emla has will help your body overcome the immunity. You can then switch back and forth between the two. Good luck:) |
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