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Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:27 pm |
After i gave birth, SMs started to appear all over my body. I haven't used any SM remover products yet but i have tried using vit. e mixed with vit. a and olive oil. Apply it at least twice a day. It also works but takes time. |
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CassieZ
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:38 am |
Hello ladies! I've been off this forum for a while, I've been incredibly busy with school.
I just thought I'd give an update. I posted on here before (last September I think), saying how I saw maybe 10% improvement on the stretchmarks I have behind my knees after dermarolling for 2 months. The shallower stretch marks seemed to be responding well, but the deeper/larger ones were still pretty prominent at that time.
I gave it some thought and decided to try needling the larger ones individually. I needled 2 months ago, and again about 3 weeks ago. And to my surprise, I looked at them today and the stretchmarks behind my knees looked almost invisible. I'd say about 80% gone. Oh they're still there, of course, but I have to look at them in a certain light and angle to find them. Which is amazing considering how BAD they were before. (They pretty much glowed... the back of my knees were quite literally striped)
Anyway, so I was so happy about what I saw today that I decided to go back on here to update.
I'm hoping in a couple more months or so, they would be completely gone. Hopefully by summertime I can finally wear shorts again without feeling self conscious about my legs! (Before I started rolling I pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I will NEVER wear shorts again... good thing I didn't give up)
PS. I have old WHITE stretchmarks which I've had behind my knees since a growth spurt that I had when I was twelve. I am now 22. I also dont use any special products. I did buy some vitamin C and vitamin A serum products which I found at ULTA, which I used occasionally but not every night or anything like that. I don't have a complicated system... I just needle/roll when I have time which is usually about once a month. (Needling behind your knees is a PAIN by the way, it tested my flexibility for sure, lol).
So that's it for now! Good luck ladies! I'll update again in a couple of months hopefully with more good news. =P |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:13 am |
Hi Cassie,
Well done on your improvement!
It seems younger people with SM's do respond well and quickly to rolling/needling. Your collagen production is still in full swing I guess!
I agree with you, needling gives a more intense, contained result, especially for deeper marks. I'm sure you're aware that SM's should be needled densely whereas acne and chicken pox scars should only be needle-pricked btw 10 to 20 times depending on size.
Something else I've read on another thread "Dermarolling for product penetration" is we are experiencing good results by dry brushing every day. Although this thread is more about the face, I'm sure dry-brushing the SM area every day along with your rolling will help with cell turnover/renewal.
Lastly, does anyone do daily/weekly shallow rolls on their body? (ie using 0.2 or 0.5mm rollers) for better product penetration? |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:07 am |
Oooh, thats exciting Cassie! Congratulations
Question; when you said you only rolled the big sm's individually, do you mean by using a single needle or still with your roller? |
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CassieZ
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:20 am |
Loosey - I used a single needle. It was time consuming and I had to reach around behind my knees to get my SM's which was a big pain, lol.
I think I was pretty aggressive with it. Like the SM's looked pretty beat up after I got done needling them. But then I'd leave them alone for more than a month to let them heal.
A little warning though, from my experience, they look worse first before they look better, so don't get worried if the next day the SM's seem to look worse. I honestly didnt' see noticeable results until about 2 and half months after my first needling episode. Which would then be...geeze, almost 6 months or so since I first started rolling.
yeah the results take a LOONG time, but they do come. Better late than never, I guess.
This is Miranda - thanks! And yeah I do still roll lightly for product penetration. But not often... maybe I should, to get better results, but I just get too busy sometimes. |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:56 am |
CassieZ wrote: |
Loosey - I used a single needle. It was time consuming and I had to reach around behind my knees to get my SM's which was a big pain, lol.
I think I was pretty aggressive with it. Like the SM's looked pretty beat up after I got done needling them. But then I'd leave them alone for more than a month to let them heal.
A little warning though, from my experience, they look worse first before they look better, so don't get worried if the next day the SM's seem to look worse. I honestly didnt' see noticeable results until about 2 and half months after my first needling episode. Which would then be...geeze, almost 6 months or so since I first started rolling.
yeah the results take a LOONG time, but they do come. Better late than never, I guess.
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Interesting, I'm beginning to think that single needling is a better approach towards reducing SM's, since it specifically needles the SM itself and not the surrounding skin.
I'm definitely looking into buying a single needle, they're cheaper than the rollers and seem to help a lot more too |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:12 am |
Great update posts Loosey and CassieZ! I am so glad you are both seeing improvements
I haven't yet bought the single needle, but hope to as soon as I can. I was just wondering, would it be possible to go 'too deep' when single needling? for example, more then 2.5mm? I was just wondering if it's easy enough to do it without going too deep (not sure if that would be bad or not).
I am thinking the same thing Loosey, I've seen a few posts now with positive statements about the single needle! |
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CassieZ
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:46 am |
Thanks Kay2008!
Hmmm, I've never had a problem with going too deep. Your skin offers pretty good resistance. You really have to put pressure on it to puncture it to begin with. However, I dont use any numbing cream or anything, I don't even use ice. So that's probably why I NEVER go too deep, lol. I do bleed though, so I go deep enough to do that.
Yeah, I think the reason single needling works a little bit faster on larger SM's is because it enables you to put a lot more tiny puncture marks on a concentrated area. Which is what I do when I needle. I just put as many puncture marks as I can into that stretchmark.
I think Miranda mentioned it before = SM's should be needled more "densely."
Good luck with getting your needles! |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:19 am |
Kay2008 wrote: |
I haven't yet bought the single needle, but hope to as soon as I can. I was just wondering, would it be possible to go 'too deep' when single needling? for example, more then 2.5mm? I was just wondering if it's easy enough to do it without going too deep (not sure if that would be bad or not).
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I noticed I did go too deep sometimes with the single needle. I would get a purple blood mark under the skin.
I also don't use numbing or ice so usually I can feel when it's too deep. However I do believe the pros outweigh the cons. Also I find it hurts less with the single needle; maybe because I'm targeting only damaged skin rather than the surrounding healthy skin. |
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:46 am |
Hi Everyone,
My name is Mary ,27 yrs old,
Like everyone here, i wish to get rid of stretchmarks which are almost on all parts of my body but i am more concerned about the ones on my arms,
I always wear full sleeve stuff to hide them and it is too sad that there are beautiful sleeveless dresses which we can not wear , well we can but we wont feel comfortable if others see our stretch marks
I have tried so many creams which did work at all
but still it is my daily practice to search online for a way to get rid of them
and last night i end up to this website and came to know about Derma Roller !
I read some of the posts and the basics about it , and decided to give it a try
I hope it will work ,
Wt i have learned here is ,
1.seems most of you , use length 1.5 mm , i want to know since i just want to roll my arms( inner and lower ) should i also go for the same length ? most of the articles suggest length 1 or 1.5 , so since u are more experienced in dermarolling , which one do u advise me?
2.i want to ask why u make the Vitamin C serum yrself ? i could not figure out how to prepare it ? is it ok i just buy vitamin C serum ? will it work well as the one which u make at home ?
3.Has anyone tried Trilastin SR? i read many positive comments about it , i am thinking of getting it too
4. one thing more which i am confused about is , i found out there are 2 methods for rolling , one is on daily basis , and the other one which most of u are pursuing is once in a month , is there any article that i can read to find out which one is better or correct ?
5. i also decide to go for Dr_Roller, seems it is the best one , right ?
6.is it enough to get one Roller? how long will it last ?
Ladies , sorry for asking so many things , i am so exited , maybe u wont believe me if i tell you that i could not sleep last night and thinking about this method will treat my stretch marks and i can wear my dream dresses and throw all my full-sleeve stuff in the garbage !
at the end sorry for my terrible English
I am looking forward to hear yr advices
Thank You |
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:14 pm |
For those that use the single needles, can you please tell me where you purchased them? |
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:25 pm |
hi jezebel17,
I got my single needle at owndoc.com:) |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:10 am |
Hi Mary,
1. 1.5 mm is the best length for stretchmarks. I use a 1mm on certain parts of my arms or skin that I can tell is very thin, but 1.5mm is the recommended length.
2. I make a simple Vitamin C spray made from l-ascorbic acid (can be found at http://www.makingcosmetics.com) and distilled water (1 tsp. + 2 oz. of distilled water). I aply this every morning and make a fresh batch every week. You need to wait about 3 days or so to start applying this because it shouldn't be used on broken skin. You can also do asearch for an oil based vitamin C serum that is gentler and can be applied quicker. I also apply Retin A every night to the area (also wait 3 days
before starting this). Do not use an antiinflammatory oils or lotions
(like emu) for at least 7 days.
3. I haven't tried Trilastin SR, but perhaps someone else could chime in here.
4. Rolling on a daily basis is used for product penetration and a much smaller needle is used (.2mm) When rolling for stretchmarks, you use a larger needle (1.5mm), and this should only
be done every 4 to 6 weeks.
5. I like Dr. Roller, but some others have found good rollers elsewhere. Dr. Roller is pretty
expensive, so I may be looking at new ones.
6. I haven't had to replace my first roller yet. I don't know how long it will last, but it will depend on
how large of areas you use it for and how frequently you use it.
Good luck! |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:17 am |
Hi Mary,
Just to add to Breezy's excellent post; a great starter kit can be bought fromwww.owndoc.com They sell good quality rollers and throw in for free vit C powder (to mix with water), a mild vit A cream and two single needles. The charge is reasonable and the service excellent (they are based in Norway, but my kit arrived quickly to London UK). |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:28 am |
CassieZ wrote: |
Thanks Kay2008!
Hmmm, I've never had a problem with going too deep. Your skin offers pretty good resistance. You really have to put pressure on it to puncture it to begin with. However, I dont use any numbing cream or anything, I don't even use ice. So that's probably why I NEVER go too deep, lol. I do bleed though, so I go deep enough to do that.
Yeah, I think the reason single needling works a little bit faster on larger SM's is because it enables you to put a lot more tiny puncture marks on a concentrated area. Which is what I do when I needle. I just put as many puncture marks as I can into that stretchmark.
I think Miranda mentioned it before = SM's should be needled more "densely."
Good luck with getting your needles! |
Yeah looking at it that way I can see what you mean. I am a wimp, and must admit I am not looking to needling with a single needle - for some reason I have it in my head that it will be more painful .
This is Miranda wrote: |
Kay2008 wrote: |
I haven't yet bought the single needle, but hope to as soon as I can. I was just wondering, would it be possible to go 'too deep' when single needling? for example, more then 2.5mm? I was just wondering if it's easy enough to do it without going too deep (not sure if that would be bad or not).
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I noticed I did go too deep sometimes with the single needle. I would get a purple blood mark under the skin.
I also don't use numbing or ice so usually I can feel when it's too deep. However I do believe the pros outweigh the cons. Also I find it hurts less with the single needle; maybe because I'm targeting only damaged skin rather than the surrounding healthy skin. |
Thanks for your reply This is Miranda, hopefully I'll experience the same.
I guess as long as I am careful and follow instructions all should be fine. |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:34 am |
I was just browsing the http://www.owndoc.com website because I wanted to purchase my single needling kit today, but unfortunately the kit that comes with a 1.5mm roller is out of stock at the moment, more stock is due January 18th... so will wait until then.
I also noticed they have a forum.
I just signed up, and in the Dermarolling / Microneedling section found this thread 'Dermaroller for bodybuilding stretchmarks'... Sarah Vaughter's reply:
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The problem with stretch marks is that although they are often called scars, they are in fact not scars. Our skin (when I simplify it) has 2 layers. The top layer is the Epidermis and then there is the Dermis underneath.
Ordinary scars are usually only present in the epidermis and in the top part of the dermis. Stretchmarks are cracks that exist throughout the entire epidermis and most part of the dermis.
So a stretchmark is not a scar, it is a deep crack in the skin. That's why it is such a difficult problem and current dermatology is not capable of removing stretchmarks.
Concerning dermarolling, none of our customers attained a complete disappearance of their stretch marks. Lots of our customers achieved a significant improvement though, some a mild one and some no improvement but if they continue they might obtain it. Collagen induction triggered by dermarolling is a very slow process and it can take a year to see improvement. If you are consistent with dermarolling and follow our dermarolling instructions, you have a chance that your stretch marks will get shallower, narrower and improve in color and texture but this takes a long time.
To treat stretch marks you need long needles: 1.5 mm. If it is too painful for you, numb the skin with an icepack.
Yes, you can use a dermaroller on those area's.
Definitely yes. The only part of skin that a dermaroller must not be used is the eyelids and you have to be extra careful around your eyes. |
Link to the forum (where Sarah Vaughter replies) http://forum.owndoc.com/index.php |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:40 pm |
Miranda's right about the single needle hurting less. I used it last night, and it definitely felt less painful than rolling. The bad part was I poked in a little too far in two spots and hit a vein. I saw the blue blood pool up a little under the skin:(. I guess I need to be more careful. I sure wish there was a way to stop it from going in too far. Other than that, it's great. |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:42 am |
breezy42 wrote: |
Miranda's right about the single needle hurting less. I used it last night, and it definitely felt less painful than rolling. The bad part was I poked in a little too far in two spots and hit a vein. I saw the blue blood pool up a little under the skin:(. I guess I need to be more careful. I sure wish there was a way to stop it from going in too far. Other than that, it's great. |
That's exactly what I did! I may make a mark with nail varnish on my needle to stop myself from going too deep. |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:47 pm |
Hi, I just have a really quick question. I recently picked up Vit C and Retin A again (like, putting it on EVERY day and not just twice a week, LOL) and now my SM's have developed some kind of red dots in them .. Is this normal or should I stop with it for a while? |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:42 pm |
Loosey wrote: |
Hi, I just have a really quick question. I recently picked up Vit C and Retin A again (like, putting it on EVERY day and not just twice a week, LOL) and now my SM's have developed some kind of red dots in them .. Is this normal or should I stop with it for a while? |
When did you last roll or needle? I also get red spots with Retin A and an itchy-ness on my SM's which I'm convinced means they are repairing themselves! Why not give yourself a break and apply some oil - I did read somewhere that Vits A & C are unstable without vit E.
Although would using something soothing mean you stop the repair process?? |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:21 pm |
I found this on a site selling copper peptides (Dr. Pickart).
"Retinoic Acid Treatment - Getting Rid of Stretch Marks
Topical tretinoin (retinoic acid or retin-A) reduces stretch marks. Archives of Dermatology. Sewon Kang, M.D., from the Department of Dermatology, University of Michigan Medical Center, Ann Arbor, and colleagues studied the effects of topical 0.1 percent tretinoin cream on 22 patients with established stretch marks.
The individuals in the study had established stretch marks that had evolved into white scar like lesions. Ten were treated with the tretinoin cream and 12 applied a placebo on the effected areas. After two months, most patients treated with tretinoin showed significant reduction in the severity of their stretch marks compared with those who received the inactive cream. After six months, 80% of the tretinoin-treated patients had marked improvement 8% placebo-treated patients.
The length and width of the stretch marks treated with tretinoin decreased by 14 and eight percent respectively, while the control group's placebo-treated lesions increased in length by 10 percent and in width by 24 percent. Half of the tretinoin treated patients experienced side effect such as dry and itchy skin.
Many of our clients combine the use of our SRCPs and retinoic acid for scar reduction."
Can you imagine how much better the Tretinoin works when combined with rolling! |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:56 pm |
This is Miranda wrote: |
I found this on a site selling copper peptides (Dr. Pickart).
"Retinoic Acid Treatment - Getting Rid of Stretch Marks
Topical tretinoin (retinoic acid or retin-A) reduces stretch marks. Archives of Dermatology. Sewon Kang, M.D., from the Department of Dermatology, University of Michigan Medical Center, Ann Arbor, and colleagues studied the effects of topical 0.1 percent tretinoin cream on 22 patients with established stretch marks.
The individuals in the study had established stretch marks that had evolved into white scar like lesions. Ten were treated with the tretinoin cream and 12 applied a placebo on the effected areas. After two months, most patients treated with tretinoin showed significant reduction in the severity of their stretch marks compared with those who received the inactive cream. After six months, 80% of the tretinoin-treated patients had marked improvement 8% placebo-treated patients.
The length and width of the stretch marks treated with tretinoin decreased by 14 and eight percent respectively, while the control group's placebo-treated lesions increased in length by 10 percent and in width by 24 percent. Half of the tretinoin treated patients experienced side effect such as dry and itchy skin.
Many of our clients combine the use of our SRCPs and retinoic acid for scar reduction."
Can you imagine how much better the Tretinoin works when combined with rolling! |
Here is the rest of the abstract, which seems to by mysteriously absent:
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There were no significant differences in various measures of quality and quantity of dermal collagen and elastic fibers in stretch marks when tretinoin and vehicle treatments were compared.
Conclusions
Topical application of tretinoin significantly improves the clinical appearance of early, active stretch marks. The processes that are responsible for the clinical improvement remain unknown. |
(Arch Dermatol. 1996;132:519-526)
http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/132/5/519 |
_________________ Born 1953; Blonde-Blue; Normal skin |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:02 pm |
Lacy53 wrote: |
This is Miranda wrote: |
I found this on a site selling copper peptides (Dr. Pickart).
"Retinoic Acid Treatment - Getting Rid of Stretch Marks
Topical tretinoin (retinoic acid or retin-A) reduces stretch marks. Archives of Dermatology. Sewon Kang, M.D., from the Department of Dermatology, University of Michigan Medical Center, Ann Arbor, and colleagues studied the effects of topical 0.1 percent tretinoin cream on 22 patients with established stretch marks.
The individuals in the study had established stretch marks that had evolved into white scar like lesions. Ten were treated with the tretinoin cream and 12 applied a placebo on the effected areas. After two months, most patients treated with tretinoin showed significant reduction in the severity of their stretch marks compared with those who received the inactive cream. After six months, 80% of the tretinoin-treated patients had marked improvement 8% placebo-treated patients.
The length and width of the stretch marks treated with tretinoin decreased by 14 and eight percent respectively, while the control group's placebo-treated lesions increased in length by 10 percent and in width by 24 percent. Half of the tretinoin treated patients experienced side effect such as dry and itchy skin.
Many of our clients combine the use of our SRCPs and retinoic acid for scar reduction."
Can you imagine how much better the Tretinoin works when combined with rolling! |
Here is the rest of the abstract, which seems to by mysteriously absent:
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There were no significant differences in various measures of quality and quantity of dermal collagen and elastic fibers in stretch marks when tretinoin and vehicle treatments were compared.
Conclusions
Topical application of tretinoin significantly improves the clinical appearance of early, active stretch marks. The processes that are responsible for the clinical improvement remain unknown. |
(Arch Dermatol. 1996;132:519-526)
http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/132/5/519 |
Lacy aren't you a darling for hunting for that....you should email the Skin Biology website and point out that they've omitted the last part.
What do you roll with? You seem so secretive as to what you actually do. Please share. |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:28 pm |
This is Miranda wrote: |
Lacy aren't you a darling for hunting for that....you should email the Skin Biology website and point out that they've omitted the last part.
What do you roll with? You seem so secretive as to what you actually do. Please share. |
I don't currently do dermarolling. But I am researching and reading about it, possibly for future use. |
_________________ Born 1953; Blonde-Blue; Normal skin |
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:52 pm |
For those who do roll: is there anyone treating both pregnancy stretchmarks and growth stretchmarks? (or SMs not caused by pregnancy).
Have you had the same or different results with the different SM types? |
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