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free skin care · Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:59 pm

I believe Keliu's on the right track. I know that the skin takes about 30 days to go through a regeneration cycle. Multiple regeneration cycles may be required to see the full effect.

I think what happens is that the manufacturers start touting the results that show 90% of the people see wrinkle improvement in 30 days (that's one of the claims from the PaloVia clinical study). I guess "improvement" could be somewhat subjective. Plus I think what is interpreted as improvement is sometimes just residual swelling. However, these types of claims get many of us looking for the same results.

free skin care · Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:36 pm

I have to agree with Keliu and Shastagirl. I had an agressive Active FX laser treatment a couple of years ago and the Doc and the literature all said 6 months for full effects....and that was aggressive!!

I finally did my 2nd treatment tonight on the low setting and BIG DIFFERENCE! I was red right after but it's already mostly faded after 2 hours...no welts and no swelling this time.

I just hope the low setting accomplishes something!! I raise my glass of red and say, Here's to Hoping!!

free skin care · Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:26 am

I have had this for approx 3 weeks and have used it on one part of my face or the other everyday and sometimes 2 times a day. My face is so dry, red, and abused I had to stop for a day or two. I have used it on my N/L area, my jowls, upper and lower lips, eyes, cheeks, and recently, where my 11's would be. My N/L area is tender and dry and the skin area looks like it has been stamped with an iron. I can not tell if that area has changed. My lips have no lines and am very pleased with the out come there. My eyes look the same. They were never bad. I just needed a break from the zapping. If you were only doing your eye area.. and doing this everyday. You eyes have to feel the same way as my N/L area. Your eye area is more tender than the N/L area. So, I can not imagine using this on that area over and over again everyday. It isn't a big area to use for 25 stamps. Boy. Time will tell with this zapper. I have these tiny little red dots on my face like it has be pricked with a pin. Even when you do the derma roll you take a break. My face needed a break. It is red and hot, dry, chapped, and needs some down time. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:34 am

I have to say that my 11's and the area above looks like I had botox. Last night was the first time I did this area. Looks great!

free skin care · Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:24 pm

Anyone using retin A with a PaloVia? Not at the same time, of course Bad Grin

, but a couple hours after?

When I watched the PaloVia webinar, they said you could still use retin A, but with red, chapped skin, I'm wondering how well it is tolerated?

I'm now a whopping 3 days into my treatment. I see some smoothing of wrinkles, but I'm sure it is just from the swelling. I've got some red, flaky spots. I'm using it around eyes (my eyes were in pretty good shape to begin with), on lip wrinkles and on some wrinkles to the side of my mouth (not really NLs, more like smile lines).

free skin care · Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:53 pm

I was wondering the same thing Shastagirl. I was going to try it tonight.

How often do you use your retin a normally? I only use it a couple of nights a week alternating other nights with CP's.

I know my derm told me I could use my retin a leading up to a fraxel treatment, just to expect more downtime but with better results. I don't know if that would hold true for this device or not??

I'm willing to give it a try still on the low setting...I had no redness, swelling, nothing this morning, a truly drastic difference from the 1st use on high.

free skin care · Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:02 pm

loribar wrote:

I was wondering the same thing Shastagirl. I was going to try it tonight.

How often do you use your retin a normally? I only use it a couple of nights a week alternating other nights with CP's.

I know my derm told me I could use my retin a leading up to a fraxel treatment, just to expect more downtime but with better results. I don't know if that would hold true for this device or not??

I'm willing to give it a try still on the low setting...I had no redness, swelling, nothing this morning, a truly drastic difference from the 1st use on high.

Well, I usually use retin A every other night. I'm going to give it a try tonight and see how it goes. I may need to back off to twice a week if the laser redness/dryness continues.

free skin care · Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:54 pm

I know that it is recommended to use Retin-A leading up to a laser treatment. However, I'm not sure how this would work if you're zapping away on a daily basis. If it were me, I would just continue with the RA and just monitor the skin for irritation.

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:32 am

I am trying to decide which one to buy, my skin is oily and I am 52?

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:32 am

I am trying to decide which one to buy, my skin is oily and I am 52?

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:12 am

I have increased the level to medium the past few days. So far so good. By the morning most of the redness is gone. (I started on high for 1 day, way too high, then went to low for a few weeks first).

I wonder if you slowly increase the levels your skin gets used to it? Very Happy

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:36 am

I hope that's the case lipglossdoll, cause that's my plan as well!!

Have you thought about whether or not you will go longer than the 30 days for every day use before going to the maintenance phase since we've been using it on the lower settings??

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:56 am

If you are doing just your eye area, then yes, I think 30 day and stop for a while and do maintenance. However, I am doing other areas so it will be an ongoing process. 30 days for each area. No? Then see how it goes. I will wait and how all of us guinea pigs are doing along with myself. So far so good.

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:38 am

I've been using it on the 11's and so far so good. Also on other areas of my face& integrating it with use of the Stop which I use a few times a week. I think for me the progress will be longer than 30 days since like someone mentioned, I'm not using it for the suggested eye area. I have it set on medium mostly, did a few zaps on high on the creepy area under my chin though. I think it's a pretty good device I'm still in the beginning process but the results I see in the 11 area~ like a botox or filler from what I've seen on pictures since I've not had either. It does sting a bit and the welts remind me of hives and go away after a few hours. I have dry skin anyway so use mango butter.

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:56 am

I posted this on the QVC forum.
Do you see a pattern on your face from the front of the laser? It is hard to explain. There is a flat pattern where you put the laser. Your skin has been ironed?

Do you do the same area every day, if so how many days in a row?

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:22 pm

Yes, I see a pattern from the laser. Like little red squares that match the size of the treatment window.

I noticed on one of the pictures on the PaloVia web site that one person had what looked like a faint waffle-like pattern. It's the first picture here:

http://www.palovia.com/real-results/before-after

If you look at the under eye area, towards the left side of the eye, you can see a grid of little dots. I don't see this on myself yet, it may take longer than my 4 days of treatment to see them.

I do the same areas every day. And I'm going for the gusto - using it on High. I'll only drop back if it starts to look too disgusting. So far, it's ok - red and dry for a while, but the aloe and oils I've been putting on seem to help.

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:29 pm

loribar, I think I will go to maintenance mode after the month is over, even though I have not been using it on high. I will see when the time comes.

free skin care · Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:12 pm

Hello,

I returned my device on Tuesday (due to a rising number of excessive interrupts followed by the blue light not coming on even with full contact) and should receive the new unit Friday, tomorrow. My last eye treatment was Mon eve and it was my 5th treatment on high. I was red and puffy the day after each treatment. I was more proactive after a couple of days with anti-inflammatory applications the morning after which began to reduce the puffiness.

What do you think about using anti-inflammatory products during this process? Do you think that they interfere with collagen production or are they more superficial and do not negatively impact collagen production?

It is Thur eve and the puffiness is greatly reduced (have not used laser since Mon) but my skin is still red, not as red, but red. Any body else experience persistent redness? Maybe there are only a few of you at the maintenance point right now? My skin seems firmer in the treatment area.

I do FE and massage and dermaroll in the lower eye area and I know that these stimulate my skin. I think that at a minimum the laser will make my skin stronger under my eyes.

Vitamin A and C are recommended to promote collagen production associated with dermarolling and I think that the same concept would apply here. I am using retin A a couple times a week and retinol nightly with a C serum in the mornings.

When I use makeup to cover the red, that is when the dots show, the laser marks.

I also have used this on my "1" and combined with a frownie, I thought that this reduced the appearance of that line.

I will start my nightly process again tomorrow night. I look forward to seeing any results although I do look a little ragged in the mornings after treatment. I think that with time, my skin will get used to it and not be so puffy/red?

HGG

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:27 am

lipglossdoll wrote:

loribar, I think I will go to maintenance mode after the month is over, even though I have not been using it on high. I will see when the time comes.

Lipgloss, I do have the markings on my face as that in the linked picture. Does anyone else?

Hydro, I too use it on my 11's and it is working like a charm. That area is looking great. Red but great. My face is red and hot. I will continue to work on my face. One area in the evening and another in the morning. I am doing my N/L, lips, jowls, eyes, and the 11's . I am red and with out make up look a scary.

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:42 am

Boy, that waffle weave pattern looks like my results after an IPL for the first few days for sure.
Has anyone noticed any differance on the broken caps yet or rosacia?

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:09 am

hydrogeogirl - on the anti-inflammatories, I am using an oil mix that contains some oils known to be anti-inflammatory. I'm guessing that the oils only help with the surface irritation and since the laser is penetrating deeper that it's not influencing anything in the dermis. It does seem to be making the redness and dryness somewhat easier to deal with.

Has anyone noticed any red dots? I have one now on my upper cheek (under the eye area) that wasn't there before. I thought it was blood at first, but it doesn't wash away. I hope it is not a new broken capillary. It's the size of a pen-point.

AnnieR - I've not been able to use on the broken cap I have. It's too close to the inner eye and I can't position the laser properly to get it.

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:17 am

I had a small cluster of red dots--bloody looking but below the surface--after one treatment. I skipped the next treatment and they went away. I am avoiding that spot for the time being.

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:34 am

I definitely have the red dots. Especially around my upper lip area and cheeks. I just started doing my eyes. It looks like blood. Could be burn mark. What do you think it is?

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:07 pm

I am just over 2 weeks of use now. I am currently on medium setting. I am red and swollen in evenings after using it, but by the morning swelling and redness is gone.

After I use a good moisturizing serum/cream, (Immunocologie cream, also volumizing cream from Lierac. Maybe this is helping with the redness, ect? Smile

free skin care · Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:17 pm

sherryf13500 wrote:

I definitely have the red dots. Especially around my upper lip area and cheeks. I just started doing my eyes. It looks like blood. Could be burn mark. What do you think it is?

For me, I don't think it is a burn, I'm guessing it is a spot where the laser penetrated and it bled. I'm going to follow Cuddles' advice and avoid that spot for a few days and see if it goes away.

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