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Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:49 am  |
| I'm taking the CO hair washing method for a test drive. If you use this method, please let me know what product - if any - you use when you use a curling or flat iron? Silicones are taboo when doing CO and most thermal protectors I know of contain them. Thanks! |
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:27 am |
| I've been doing conditioner washing for around 9 months but I didn't know that using products containing silicones was a no no. I use Moroccan Oil post-washing (which does contain silicones). I thought the main point of CO was to avoid SLS. So, I can't comment on your dilemma other than to say I wouldn't worry about it - I certainly haven't had any issues with the 'cones. |
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:18 pm |
Keliu - After reading about CO cleansing all over the place, I concluded that the whole point of it was to avoid SLS and cones, two major offenders that contribute to dry hair ad scalp. That's not to say many Co-ers don't use silicone products at all, but they use a clarifying shampoo more often, some once a week, some once a month. Other CO purists can get away with shampooing twice a year, mainly because the conditioners they use have a pretty simple ingredient list. The practice of CO washing is definitely one that requires experimentation since everyone's hair type, styling routines, and local water supply differ. In my case, I think cones (and a lot of the chemicals that are now in hair products) have just fried my hair.
Havana - Thanks so much for the links...off to read them now...
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:00 pm |
Here's all the info you'll need to get started:
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/
I'm modified, so once a week I use a sulfate free shampoo (Giovanni Triple Tree Tea or Avalon Organics Lemon Clarifying). My hair just feels cleaner. All the leave ins that I use are CG, but my hair likes amodimethicone, one of the easier to rinse out 'cones, in product.
It's one loooooooong experiment  |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:47 pm |
I tried to do CO a few times, but my hair just doesn't look as shiny when I use only conditioner...I guess I got use to wash it with shampoo every day(sometimes twice per day due to swimming and gym)and CO doesn't work for me. Another issue is it makes my blond hair darker.
You are right you should stay away from cones. I used Suave conditioner and VO5 they are cones free and very gentle. |
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Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:37 pm |
tsjmom - Thanks for that link...it led me to a blog that had a lot of info in one place.
After all the additional reading I've done, I still haven't found a mention of any -cone free protector for hot irons. I have wavy hair and it waves in all the wrong places so sometimes I use an iron if I'm pressed for time. I usually use big rollers but if I go out of town for a weekend, I hate to pack bulky rollers and take an iron instead. I'll have to keep searching and experimenting with products.
Thanks again everyone! I'm on a learning curve! |
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Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:39 am |
| What about trying a different type of hair device - one that isn't a ceramic hair straightener. I think Vidal Sassoon has a gadget that straightens by using a roller and brush combined. |
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Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:36 am |
| What is the CO method? |
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Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:49 am |
CO - condition only. Wen makes a line of these designed for "shampooing". I use the fig and also Sweet Almond.
I also still use light silicone spray before using flat iron to protect... Oh well.
I still love the Wen products and use them probably every third washing. |
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Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:58 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
CO - condition only. Wen makes a line of these designed for "shampooing". I use the fig and also Sweet Almond.
I also still use light silicone spray before using flat iron to protect... Oh well.
I still love the Wen products and use them probably every third washing. |
Thanks a lot for clearing that up! Pardon me if this is a silly question, but don't you need shampoo at least on your roots too wash away any buildup? |
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Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:40 pm |
| Most conditioners contain surfactants that will cleanse, provided you gently scrub your scalp with the pads of your fingertips for a minute or two, and then rinse thoroughly. If you use a lot of products that contain silicones or film-forming agents, you need to use a clarifying product to remove the build-up. |
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:22 am |
| I have been using WEN for a couple of months now and my hair has never looked better! I was in a real hurry yesterday and thought I could get away with "shampoo" and the minute I out it in my hair, my hair got all matted! I couldn't even get my fingers through it. So I rinsed it out and did a quick WEN and all was right with the world(and my hair) |
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:49 am |
Does this mean one can't use "cheap" conditioners like Pantene? I know a lot of drugstore conditioners are full of silicones.. I tried CO washing for about 2 weeks several years ago, but I hated the "dirty" feeling I got, and I wonder if the 'cones were to blame...  |
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:20 am |
| Actually, the cheap conditioners are usually the best ones for this method because they contain the least number of ingredients. It takes a bit of experimenting to find one that your hair type likes. One of the more popular is Suave Naturals Coconut but it was not for me. I haven't yet found the best one for my hair so I'm using a very gentle non-sulfate shampoo. Yep, cones are not good unless you clarify regularly, otherwise they build up. |
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:33 pm |
| fat_swan wrote: |
| I tried CO washing for about 2 weeks several years ago, but I hated the "dirty" feeling I got, and I wonder if the 'cones were to blame... |
They do say that it takes a little while for your hair to adjust to the CO washing so you might have to stick it out for a little longer. I would just look at the ingredients in the conditioner and if it's free from SLS I'd try it. I'm currently using Burt's Bees Pomegranate Conditioner and think it's wonderful.
I'm also using Moroccan Oil after washing. It does have silicones in it - but it does wonders for my poor bleached out hair so I can't give it up. I haven't had any problems with just CO washing and the 'cones though. |
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Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:36 pm |
| fat_swan wrote: |
| ... but I hated the "dirty" feeling I got, and I wonder if the 'cones were to blame... |
One of things you need to do with CO washing is to spend more time massaging the scalp than what you'd probably do with a regular shampoo. It's the scrubbing (not with your nails) that helps dislodge the dirt and oils so they can ba rinsed away. The link that "tsjmom" posted has the scoop on this method. |
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