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Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:35 pm |
Can these:
Be eliminated one hundred percent ?
Most will probably look at them and say, well they aren't that deep, you should consider your self lucky.
Until you realize my 20th birthday was less than a month ago and those lines have been there since I was 16-17.
I don't smoke.
I NEVER EVER sunbathe and when I'm outside I always use SPF 30 or 45.
I eat healthy.
These wrinkles have made me severely depressed, I am not supposed to have these for another 15 years, what can I do to erase them?
Retin a? acid peel? anything...
I've tried different things such as No 7 Beauty serum etc. no effect.
What the hell is wrong with me and how can I seriously get rid of them? (can I even?)
None of my grandparents have a lot of wrinkles
None of my elder siblings.
None of my parents, none of my uncles or cousins.
All I can tie this down to is expressions...
Facial expressions alone caused this, but now I need to know what I can do to remove them 100%, I'm at the point where I'm considering to tattoo over them (yeah, I'm that eager to get rid of them). |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:01 pm |
At 20 years old, your skin is still in good shape elasticity wise. I think chemical peels would do some good in minimizing them, maybe microdermabrasion. I am not an expert in the area of young skin though as I am dealing with my nearly 40 year old face!
Use sunscreen every day of course will help you out a lot in the long run so protect, protect, protect while you are still young! Don't skip a day EVER!
Repetitive motion has caused you to get lines at such a young age....be aware of what expressions you are doing to cause them and try to ease up on that particular movement. I know, easier said than done, but I have made myself aware of certain movements that I make and actually do make them less.
I really hate to recommend botox to youngsters and may be chastised by others for bringing it up (Go easy on me gals!!! ) , but botox works to relax the muscles in the forehead in turn reducing the movements that cause the wrinkles in the first place. Many people have been pleased with the results of botox.... |
_________________ Female: 42...Fair/Dry...Brown Hair/Green Eyes...Using: Born Again MSM Cream...Country Divine Emu Serum...Juvederm...Botox...Retin-A .05%...Easy Eye Solutions...Started 2/9/12 with Skin Bio Skin Signals Cream and TTT, Spot treating with TriRed |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:10 pm |
Thanks for the tips.
Yeah I always use sunscreen.
Yeah I've used a tape lately on my forehead when i'm indoors, so I feel when I'm making the motion.
I was hoping I didnt have to resort to botox in another 10years.
What about Retin A?
Does peeling the skin damage the skin permanently? |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:31 pm |
Have you tried Retin A, vit C and aha/bha?
There are a lot of people here recommend them for wrinkles. You can do a search and read the details. Good luck! |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:40 pm |
Botox is the only thing I know of to completely smooth out the forehead. Once you get it that way, AHA's and retin-A will help remove the lines. |
_________________ Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:19 pm |
You have a lovely skin tone/colour, and so free of blemishes! When I think of myself at 20, I was sooooo freaked out about the zits - which I STILL get, but have managed to cut down to only the odd one at period time. I think your skin is great, and you're right, they are extremely surface wrinkles, nowhere near the 'needing botox' stage - please disregard the earlier posts about this, it's easily dealt with at home. Trust me, I'm a little younger than the other posters, have a diploma to be an aesthetician, but more importantly have gotten rid of - yes completely - the lines I had that sprouted in my twenties. But unfortunately I'd brought mine on myself by being a beach going sunbake-aholic until my mid-twenties on the beaches in Australia no less
Anyway, I did erase the damage if you like I'll privately send you a pic of my completely unlined forehead - despite being ten years older, and NO INJECTIONS. The earlier ladies were right thought. I did it with retin-A bha/aha, glycolic peels - I actually did a pretty serious TCA peel too, which took a few years/layers off! I also recommend Pickarts Copper Peptides, but that's because they've worked for me. Some people find they don't work or are bad for their skin. You can always try a small bottle of that. It's an excellent remodelling agent - then again, you could always wait till you're a bit older... I truly believe you'll make great headway on those superficial lines with a few peels, Retin A, and the use of a good microdermabrasion cloth - daily. That's it! Worked for me! (If only someone told me earlier) |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:10 pm |
You can erase them with Botox. Very simple and easy. You'll love it.
Just read that you're 20. These lines are too deep for a 20 year old. You must like to raise your brows, so Botox will be perfect for you. As you do the botox more, your muscles will be weaker and you'll need it less and less. |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:56 pm |
My mother had deep wrinkles in her farhead, she was much older than you. When she realized that they were from frowning, she concentrated on not frowning and that really reduced (although not eliminated - again she was much older) her lines.
The tape is a really good idea. Look up frownies. You could try adding Retin A into your routine at night, use the tape or fronwnies, and consentrate on not wrinkling your brow. Good luck |
_________________ I am from LI, New York, and enjoy reading and sometimes posting on beauty boards |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:06 pm |
Hi Perfectionist,
Have you seen a dermatologist in regards to your concerns? Sounds like you're doing everything you're supposed to with taking care of your skin. What products do you currently use and what is your skin care routine? I know you're awfully young for botox but it will temporarily freeze the muscles engaged in the forehead and maybe allow you some time to treat the situation.
Also, when you took the picture, was your face "at rest" or were you raising your eyebrows? |
_________________ 50 Is definitely NOT nifty!! |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:10 pm |
Perfectionist, these are really deep wrinkles! I dont want to scare you, but by looking at the photo I estimated your age as 35.
I recommend Retin A , SkinBio Copper Peptides, IS Clinical Youth Complex and ProLight LED therapy. And watch ur facial expressions! |
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Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:21 pm |
I had the same lines from the time I was sixteen.I like you with the sunscreen and all. I had a chem peel and it helped,but were still there.I got botox about a year ago and also started using retin a,now NO more lines. I had it 3 times, but less each time,now I just get alittle once a year.good luck! Oh by the way I'm 61 and I wish I had done it much sooner. |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:58 am |
I take serious exception to all the much much older ladies recommending botox for a 20 year old.
Please, she needn't go into debt or a plastic surgeons to deal with these very superficial wrinkles. They are not 'extremely deep' wrinkles as said above by some very unkind and unhelpful posters. I am appalled by people's inability to move outside of the industries expensive and unnecessary (esp. at this age) treatments, when perfectly effective and inexpensive topicals would most definitely improve if not in the least get rid of these wrinkles entirely.
What I see (and I have examined hundreds if not thousands of skins up close and under mag light) are some superficial wrinkles, that look like they have embedded build-up of dead skin cells and dirt. What this person needs is a thorough exfoliation program added into her skin care. I would stake my life that they can be eliminated with the use of retin-a, microdermabrasion cloth, weekly or fortnightly use of NCN's pumpkin peel, and perhaps the addition of copper peptides, if they agree with her skin type.
I would most certainly recommend she start with these inexpensive home treatments, and give her skin a year with regular use to see the cumulative results. If at that stage they aren't entirely eliminated, she could consider some stronger peels, glycolic, lactic, or even a couple of light tca's.
I myself have resurfaced my entire skin with these products, and ridded myself of pigmentation, wrinkles, and the beginnings of sag - the kind of things that would have some people running to the surgeon - and oh in the process removed a huge mole on my face (this happened inadvertantly).
Please 'perfectionist' don't listen to women who are by far your elder, and experiencing issues not comparable to your own. Up close photos can almost appear magnified, as we don't often see other peoples skin that closely. I fear these women are over-reacting to what I percieve as superficial wrinkles darkened (therefore appearing deeper) with dead skin cells and dirt. I believe perfectionist needs superior exfoliation to whatever she is currently using (if any).
I have sent her some before and afters of my skin, and the results of the aforementioned products. Hopefully she'll post here saying she can see a clear difference.
Darling, you DO NOT NEED EXPENSIVE INJECTIONS AT YOUR AGE. Don't go into debt or start yourself on the slippery slope over these little lines. Ignore the insensitive posters here.
*my remarks exclude dryady, and also, no, the peeling with retin-a will not damage the skin, quite the contrary. You can control the peelies with the midrodermabrasion cloth (and speed results) and I've explained how to start very very slowly with the products/treatments in your pm. |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:01 am |
Trigger....Do not call me insensitive, nor anyone else on this thread for that matter. I take offense to that as I am sure do the other people that are posting here.
We are all here to offer up our own opinions and tips...we are not here to be berated by other members because they don't believe in a methodology that someone else does.
We are only offering what experience we have had with our own skin and how Perfectionist might go about ridding him/herself of these lines (which you should not assume that Perfectionist is a young woman)
So what if I or anyone else suggested Botox....it is a time tested method that is available as an option. Should we hide it from him/her because of their age? No, I don't think so.....whether or not Perfectionist chooses to use it is up to them....we are just suggesting as to what is available. We are not trying to shove it down his throat.
While I do fully agree with you on the fact that his lines are not all that deep and could/can be helped tremendously with a peel or topical of some sort, it all comes down to repetitive movement that cause the lines in the first place. Perfectionist should of course try all other options before considering an injection...but it is available to him/her should the time come he has exhausted all other things available or, if he/she wants to keep them from coming back after ridding them with topical solutions. I have heard of many young folks using tox as a preventative. And should they chose to do so, more power to them I am not one to judge.
It is perfectly fine to disagree and offer up your own opinions....I have no issue with that. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it and belittling others and what they have posted is not the right way what so ever. We are here to help Perfectionist, not to cast stones. So feel free to stick to what advice you have to share with Perfectionist without being rude to others....
As not to turn this thread totally off topic and in to a bitch fest....this will be the first and only comment I make on it. |
_________________ Female: 42...Fair/Dry...Brown Hair/Green Eyes...Using: Born Again MSM Cream...Country Divine Emu Serum...Juvederm...Botox...Retin-A .05%...Easy Eye Solutions...Started 2/9/12 with Skin Bio Skin Signals Cream and TTT, Spot treating with TriRed |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:32 pm |
Absolutely you can get rid of those forehead lines. I had them back when I was 25. I just kept trudging through trying (good) anti-ageing creams and sunscreen-ing and they eventually went away after about a year. Now that I'm turning 32 in a few months, they are slowly creeping back in (not really, they're transient - if I hydrate enough they're not there, if my skin dries out, like overnight, the lines sort of are visible)
I'll recommend: Copper Peptides (I like it I don't totally think it does a LOT for wrinkles but you may need it later on, I find it great for sagging skin), Matrixyl serums, Hyaluronic Acid serum (IMPORTANT!!!).
What I'd do: after washing face, use a hydrating toner (I love Korean toners they tend to be hydrating - *hydrating* being important not oily!), then a good layer of either Matrixyl or Hyaluronic Acid serum on top, mist your face (I use Avene or Evian), and once your skin is dewy, use your favourite anti-aging moisturizer on top. |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:55 pm |
Bren, I apologize for offending you. I certainly wasn't referring to your helpful and positive post. It was remarks such as these:
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Perfectionist, these are really deep wrinkles! I dont want to scare you, but by looking at the photo I estimated your age as 35
I think that sometimes we just forget as we age the dreadful insecurities and unhealthy obsessions we had when we were in our late teens/early twenties. I remember the times well as they're not so long ago for me, and only wish I had been able to appreciate and enjoy my youthful looks more! I really do think the kinds of remarks above only serve to make a person more insecure and concerned about small issues. And I really truly believe that starting too young with injections is not a good idea at all, and would hope a PS or derm would agree and refuse treatment before at least trying topicals. What 20 year olds do you know that can afford these types of treatments, and shouldn't one be spending the precious little one earns at that age (unless their parents are rich and indulgent) on enjoying life, instead?
It's just the way I feel. I don't mean offense, but if someone had commented that way on my looks at that age or even now for that matter - after I left myself so vulnerable - it would truly scar my self esteem, and confirm to my young psyche that I really was deformed.
I'm sorry, but all the fully grown women here are more than capable of taking care of themselves. I was just trying to help a young person not to spiral into despair. What if this person can't afford botox? Are they to walk around now for the next few years feeling like their 'extremely deep wrinkles that make them look 35' are horrifying all and sundry? |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:25 pm |
I can't go back in to edit my reply, but (after I saw a skin care show on tv today) I was reminded that exfoliation can also help these type of lines. I see that tigger recommended it, and I would agree. I don't know if you have ever seen the infomercials for youthful essence but they show a before and after of forehead lines after just one treatment, and there is a visible difference. (I'm not saying you need to use the youthful essence brand, just that there can be a big difference rather quickly.) After you exfoliate you can then proceeds with your treatments and they will absorb better.
Please don't feel bad - my son is your age and he has lines too - from frowning. |
_________________ I am from LI, New York, and enjoy reading and sometimes posting on beauty boards |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:23 pm |
I would go with the Botox/Dysport. If your lines aren't deep, paralysing the corrugator muscles will erase the lines. If the lines are deep, or if you are just unlucky, the product wil paralyse the area, but the lines will still be visible. |
_________________ "I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:08 pm |
WOW, Trigger you sound a bit harsh to this old gal. Perfectionist says she is depressed over these lines and has for sometime.Just offering my opinion,still say to try exfoliation program, retin A,and if you need botox well than so be it. |
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Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:30 am |
you need botox!!!!!!!!!!!!It would eliminate all of those lines within 1 week!I think thats the only thing that would get rid of them...you are pretty young too botox would keep them from getting worse.If you dont want botox go to a good hairstylist and try to have her style some soft bangs over your forehead...at least you could hide them. |
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Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:40 am |
Not a single thing you apply to your skin will erase ANY line. Sorry.
If you want to protect your skin from further wrinkling though........wear a sunscreen, wear one that protects from UVA UVB, UVC sun rays. Buy the cheapest one you can find. |
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Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:13 pm |
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Bren, I apologize for offending you. I certainly wasn't referring to your helpful and positive post. It was remarks such as these:
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Perfectionist, these are really deep wrinkles! I dont want to scare you, but by looking at the photo I estimated your age as 35
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Dear trigger,
I'm not in the habit of lying to people. Especially, if they ask for opinion.
If my very chubby gf asks me "Do I need to lose weight?" I'm not going to tell her " Oh, no, you don't, you're beautiful the way you are."
A woman who is scared to face the truth will never have any courage to change it.
In my opinion, the wrinkles are deep, but I'm not saying it's hopeless. With the right action and attitude she can , if not erase them, but make them less visible. |
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Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:09 pm |
OP, please don't freak out! Even if your lines are deep, with Botox/Dysport, they *can* disappear. Mine did...my lines were much deeper as I am decades older than you. Yours aren't deep at all, and I am almost certain they will vanish. |
_________________ "I know that only time will heal my broken heart, just as only time will heal his broken arms and legs.” --Miss Piggy |
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Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:34 am |
I have to agree. Botox will stop you from doing the expression, so the lines will fade away to almost nothing and very quickly too. Some retin a and sunscreen everyday and you will be fine. |
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Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:20 pm |
If you look at the before and after pictures for the NaturDerm products, your wrinkles are really minimal compared to the results they have: http://www.greatnewskin.com/pages/products/Trans-sys.html
and the before and after photo link is on the home page under the just the facts tab at the top. The photo of the man, his name is Todd on the link above is very dramatic. I have had incredible results with this product line, fastest, easiest, most effective I have used. They are silicone and paraben free and the best is pH correct so if you just use one product, like the cleanser, you don't need a toner. EDS has them under organic and natural. |
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