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Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:35 am |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
For some reason, I was unable to post on this specific thread last night. I had no problems on other threads, so I don't know what the problem was/is, so hopefully this post will go through.
Anyways, when you state the more potent actives, I have thought, by reading and hearing Jennifer that the 302 Drops were pretty potent. Is this not true? I am really getting confused. I know there are other more potent actives, I am assuming the acne serum being one of them. For most problems, would the 302 Drops or the Serum, not solve most problems? |
I thought I posted this last night, but when looking back, I didn't see it, so it may of been one of the mnay posts pf mine that didn't go through for some reason.
I decided to move up to using the 302 Drops every other day instead of 2x a week, since my skin seemed okay the first two times, so I guess I will see if things keep going well.
I have not developed any breakouts or anything negative, so hopefully things will be better, so to speak, by using every other day. I will more than likely stick to every other day for as long as I stay on these 302 Drops.
I have not thought about adding any other products into my regime because my main thing is the scarring, but if you guys think another product would help out more (302 product) then please let me know. I know some use the A Boost and C Boost, but I don't know if they are using that for other reasons and I really don't have alot of break-outs, so I don't think I would really need the acne serum. |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:48 am |
Is the plus serum something you have used Boski?
Does it do well on scarring?
If you have used it did u have good results? Or do u prefer the drops?
I know if I move to them, it will be a while, so I basically need to give the 302 drops about 6 mo and then move to this if my scarring isn't improved? |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:57 am |
From what I read about the serum, it says that it shows immediate results
could this be used when starting the 302 products, as the 302 website didn't say one way or the other, so I am assuming that one could start out on this or rotate with the drops for better results, and quicker.
Am I understanding it correctly?
I would really like to add them to my routine now, but in the same sense I don't want to "over do" it |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:07 pm |
You have a lot of great questions there, maybe I can address one of them. Just because you experience no negatives after a couple of uses dosen't necessarily mean you should use it more often or move up. My skin is very resilient and I tried the 302 serum last year for a little while. I decided to try it again recently but, this time, I would follow the program and not just bits & pieces...
Naturally, I jumped into the 302 plus serum (the anti-aging blurb caught my eye). I had absolutely no negative reaction to it and started using it daily/ I also got the A boost after about 3 weeks. I noticed my skin was looking dull and tired on the 302 plus days. It would look great on A boost days. Normally, my reaction would have been to grab the first exfoliator I could find and scrub. This time, I knew the 302 plus, used daily, was too much. I switched over to the 302 serum and got the glow back. I may use the plus once a week to keep things interesting.Take it easy. Don't rush. It's worth the wait. |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:14 pm |
Absolutely
I will not rush anymore as I read that every other day was okay so I figured I would give it a try
Also I was reading that the 302 website had different regimes to follow for a specific skin problem but I am not able to find that
I am looking for their product suggestions for scarring
I looked under the professionals tab as stated bur could not access that info because I do not and can't make an account, as I Tried to
but I was basically wanting to read their product suggestions for scarring
thanks for your advice and help |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:44 pm |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
Absolutely
I will not rush anymore as I read that every other day was okay so I figured I would give it a try
Also I was reading that the 302 website had different regimes to follow for a specific skin problem but I am not able to find that
I am looking for their product suggestions for scarring
I looked under the professionals tab as stated bur could not access that info because I do not and can't make an account, as I Tried to
but I was basically wanting to read their product suggestions for scarring
thanks for your advice and help |
Amy, they have changed the site from how it was previously. The used to have great information for everyone, but they changed that so only professional could access the information. The best advice I can give you is to not try to do this on your own. You have an esty, and you need to follow his/her advice to the letter. That way if something starts to happen (good or bad) they will know what you have done and be able to guide you better. Have you discussed your skin situation with an esty, and have they recommended products for you and a routine for you to follow?
Just in case you did not see Boski's post on the previous page, here is what she has to say:
"So your note brings up a very important topic which I want to really emphasize to all new users, and I define new users as anybody with less than 3 months of use: 302 cannot be used like typical skincare. Especially if you have been on other long-term regimens involving acids/BP/HQ/Retin-A, etc. Here are 2 key differences:
1) You have to start at a baseline, which means you don't use anything except cleanser and SS for at least 2 weeks to get your skin back to its normal state without anything on it. If you experience breakouts, dryness, irritation, you need to extend this transition further until it stops, and your skin is calmer. This is BEFORE you even start using 302 actives. You can use a few things like the cleanser, calming mist and Recovery Minerals during your transition, but nothing with actives in it. When I say actives, I'm talking about things with Avogen in it or strong ingredients, like the A and C Boost, Lightening Drops, Acne Serum. While on transition, use the most gentle, simple cleanser you can find. And NO lotion SS, moisturizer, or makeup. Use a MMU SS or Recovery Minerals.
2) Once you are out of transition, then you can start a beginner 302 regimen. It has to be built up slowly. You start using the lower strength topicals and, over time, introduce new ones which are stronger (IF you need stronger). You may not do well with stronger ones in the beginning, especially if your skin is already weak and thin from long-term use of other topicals.
I think most of the problems that people encounter in the beginning is due to 1) Not transitioning long enough or at all, and 2) Using too many things, at too high a strength, in the beginning.
I'll say it again, 302 is not like other skincare. It's formulated to be effective, but it has to be introduced in a different way, so your skin will be able to adjust and renormalize. Resist the temptation of thinking MORE is going to produce faster and better results. It's the total opposite. You will have breakouts, dryness, and redness if you are using too much, too often" |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:53 pm |
This is doing the same thing to me tonight....I will log in and then type my message and then when I hit submit, it takes me to the log-in screen.....Id anyone else having problems?
Thanks for the info. RileyGirl, that is helpful.
I hope this post makes it through....if not, i will copy and paste, yet again. |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:03 pm |
boski wrote: |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
For some reason, I was unable to post on this specific thread last night. I had no problems on other threads, so I don't know what the problem was/is, so hopefully this post will go through.
Anyways, when you state the more potent actives, I have thought, by reading and hearing Jennifer that the 302 Drops were pretty potent. Is this not true? I am really getting confused. I know there are other more potent actives, I am assuming the acne serum being one of them. For most problems, would the 302 Drops or the Serum, not solve most problems? |
Hi Amy,
The 302 drops or 302 serum ARE potent. All the 302 actives are, in that they work without having to apply frequently. The concentrations of active ingredients are very high, thus you need very little of it for it to work. You apply only at night, one topical at a time, and alternate the topicals. This is different than other skincare lines where you are typically instructed to apply up to twice daily, every day, multiple products on top of eachother. The reason 302 is applied this way is to avoid "receptor fatigue" and developing a sensitivity to ingredients due to the skin being bombarded with too many ingredients on a regular constant basis. If you do a search of Dr H's notes, he goes into great detail about "receptor fatigue" in Part 1.
The levels of potency varies with the 302 products and you build up to the higher levels over a period of months (6 months minimum):
1. You want to start with the basic 302 drops or serum. C Boost, A boost, Acne drops, Rosacea drops are also beginner levels.
2. The next level to move up to is 302 Hi-Potency drops or serum, Lightening Drops (for the C topical).
3. The strongest topicals are the Plus Serum and Acne Serum (which is vit A).
You can continue to use the lower strengths as long as you want. Only move up to the higher ones if your skin is not responding as much as you'd like or you have reached a plateau.
The key is to introduce each new thing slowly, stay on it until you can gauge any results, at least a month or two, before adding other things into the mix. This will help prevent you from getting a bad reaction and not knowing what caused it.
Continue reading Part 1, all this becomes clearer in the end.
HTH |
Thank you so very much, yet again.
I didn't realize there were this many products.
I am definately understanding better now.
So basically, I will stay on the 302 Drops for approx. 6 months and if I am not noticing any more improvements, then it would be fine to move to Level 2.......Thank you for clarifying this.
I also was reading back in the original thread and saw that liquid make up was okay to use, as long as it is not clogging the pores, etc. So that makes me feel better, as I thought that the liquid make-up may actually prevent or delay 302 results. |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:23 pm |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
Thank you so very much, yet again.
I didn't realize there were this many products.
I am definately understanding better now.
So basically, I will stay on the 302 Drops for approx. 6 months and if I am not noticing any more improvements, then it would be fine to move to Level 2.......Thank you for clarifying this.
I also was reading back in the original thread and saw that liquid make up was okay to use, as long as it is not clogging the pores, etc. So that makes me feel better, as I thought that the liquid make-up may actually prevent or delay 302 results. |
There are actually 38 products in the 302 skincare line. When I started, there was only 3. So I was forced to use only the F/B bar and the 302 serum in the beginning, yet I still saw results with my scars softening up.
This is the full list of current products. As you can see, it's a lot of products for lots of different problems. This is why you need a knowledgeable esthy (or 302 EDS old-timer) to guide you on what is appropriate for you.
Aging
302 Drops
302 Drops: High-Potency
302 Serum
302 Serum: High Potency
302 Plus Serum
Eye Firming Serum
A-Boost
C-Boost
Acne
302 Acne Drops
Acne Serum
Acne Cleanser
Acne Mist
Rosacea
302 Rosacea Drops
Rosacea Cleanser
Pigmentation
Lightening Drops
Lightening: Décolleté & Hand
Hydration
Calming Mist
Recovery Plus
Recovery Plus: Intensive
Body Treatment
Body Treatment: Intensive
Special Applications
Self Tanner
After Waxing
Lip Balm
Cleansers
302 Cleanser
Normal/Dry Cleanser
Oily/Combination Cleanser
Sensitive Cleanser
Face & Body Bar
Sun Protection
SPF-15
SPF-30
Recovery Minerals (SPF-30)
302 Clinical
Active Recovery: Face Rx
Active Recovery: Body & Scalp Rx
Ointment Rx
Recovery Mist
Recovery Lotion
Recovery Cleanser
You can move up to Hi-Potency Serum or Drops after 3 months, if you are not getting any results from the regular 302 Drops. If you are, just stay on the regular drops until you sense a plateau. This usually happens around the 6-8 month period. At this point you want to take a 2 or 3 week holiday from 302 actives. Stop using all the actives. You can keep using 302 cleansers, mists, Ointment RX, 302 SS, Recovery Minerals. During this time of using not applying 302 actives, your skin should not revert to it's original state. It will stay the same. Restart 302 as usual after this 302 "holiday" and your results should go to another level of improvement. You can restart with the next level of potency after your holiday too.
If you are wanting to speed things along for scar repair, you should start reading posts about ultrasound units. There are MANY posts in Part 1 about the specs and types of unit you want to use with 302. This will speed results and you can use ultrasound right now.
After 6 months, if you haven't seen much improvement, then start looking into deep dermarolling. Again, read all the posts on dermarolling before you start this method. This is alot more risky and painful than ultrasound. It has to be done in a sterile fashion and with the right length tool (1 or 1.5 mm). The 302 topicals you apply post roll are important too. There is a whole thread about dermarolling on the Tools forum.
I keep repeating this, but scarring takes a long time to fix. Don't expect a miracle to happen. It took me a year to get about 75% improvement, and 4+ years to get 90% improvement. You have a better than average chance because you are young, have never done acids or other invasive techniques (except that one laser treatment), and your scars are very shallow. Keep thinking positive but not to the point where you are inspecting your skin every day, and it will go much faster.
I hope you keep reading Part 1 blog, because lots of your questions about ultrasound, dermarolling and 302 products will be answered there.
Even though some people can wear liquid occasionally, I would try to stop using liquid makeup on a regular basis. You may not suffer breakouts from it, but clogged pores, blackheads and milia often result from it. Plus some ingredients in them might not be compatible with 302 Avogen. Better to switch to a very simple MMU for coverage if you are using 302. Eventually, you will need no makeup at all . |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:45 pm |
Hi, all -
I'm a 302 newbie here, and have been following the rosacea regimen for the past three weeks. I've been weaning off acids for about the past year (occasional Exfol use), with the exception of finacea gel. I stopped using the finacea about two weeks prior to starting 302.
Then I did the rosacea cleansing regimen only for two weeks, using rosacea cleanser, F/B bar, and calming mist. I had a few minor, superficial blemishes that healed right up, so last week I started using the rosacea drops with no problems.
I tried using a small bit of jojoba oil on my wet face on the non-drops day, but that just made my rosacea bumps flare. The Ointment RX and rosacea drops calmed it all down right away! I know it's early days, but so far I am liking the results.
I have a small scar, about the size of a quarter, from an IPL done about 3 months ago. I asked Nanci from NCNProskincare about a regimen for dealing with the hyperpigmentation on that spot, and here's the response she got from Dr. Huber:
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Hi N,
Use the Ointment Rx on top of the 302 Drops – that will get it done faster and more completely than anything. Use both daily. Wash with Bar. R |
Ok, that's great, because I have everything he suggested already! The only difference is that I use the drops (on that spot only) daily.
Then it dawned on me, that I have the rosacea drops, not the 302 drops...would I have better results with improving that scar by using the regular 302 drops, not the rosacea drops? The area of my face (jaw) that has the scar is actually in very good condition...it's very smooth, healthy skin, tight pores, no acne, rosacea or sensitivity in that area.
ETA: I'm waiting for the ultrasound unit from NCN!
TIA! |
_________________ Nadine, age 50, live in VA; half-Asian, slight yellow tone; sensitive, dry/combo skin |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:05 pm |
boski wrote: |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
Thank you so very much, yet again.
I didn't realize there were this many products.
I am definately understanding better now.
So basically, I will stay on the 302 Drops for approx. 6 months and if I am not noticing any more improvements, then it would be fine to move to Level 2.......Thank you for clarifying this.
I also was reading back in the original thread and saw that liquid make up was okay to use, as long as it is not clogging the pores, etc. So that makes me feel better, as I thought that the liquid make-up may actually prevent or delay 302 results. |
There are actually 38 products in the 302 skincare line. When I started, there was only 3. So I was forced to use only the F/B bar and the 302 serum in the beginning, yet I still saw results with my scars softening up.
This is the full list of current products. As you can see, it's a lot of products for lots of different problems. This is why you need a knowledgeable esthy (or 302 EDS old-timer) to guide you on what is appropriate for you.
Aging
302 Drops
302 Drops: High-Potency
302 Serum
302 Serum: High Potency
302 Plus Serum
Eye Firming Serum
A-Boost
C-Boost
Acne
302 Acne Drops
Acne Serum
Acne Cleanser
Acne Mist
Rosacea
302 Rosacea Drops
Rosacea Cleanser
Pigmentation
Lightening Drops
Lightening: Décolleté & Hand
Hydration
Calming Mist
Recovery Plus
Recovery Plus: Intensive
Body Treatment
Body Treatment: Intensive
Special Applications
Self Tanner
After Waxing
Lip Balm
Cleansers
302 Cleanser
Normal/Dry Cleanser
Oily/Combination Cleanser
Sensitive Cleanser
Face & Body Bar
Sun Protection
SPF-15
SPF-30
Recovery Minerals (SPF-30)
302 Clinical
Active Recovery: Face Rx
Active Recovery: Body & Scalp Rx
Ointment Rx
Recovery Mist
Recovery Lotion
Recovery Cleanser
You can move up to Hi-Potency Serum or Drops after 3 months, if you are not getting any results from the regular 302 Drops. If you are, just stay on the regular drops until you sense a plateau. This usually happens around the 6-8 month period. At this point you want to take a 2 or 3 week holiday from 302 actives. Stop using all the actives. You can keep using 302 cleansers, mists, Ointment RX, 302 SS, Recovery Minerals. During this time of using not applying 302 actives, your skin should not revert to it's original state. It will stay the same. Restart 302 as usual after this 302 "holiday" and your results should go to another level of improvement. You can restart with the next level of potency after your holiday too.
If you are wanting to speed things along for scar repair, you should start reading posts about ultrasound units. There are MANY posts in Part 1 about the specs and types of unit you want to use with 302. This will speed results and you can use ultrasound right now.
After 6 months, if you haven't seen much improvement, then start looking into deep dermarolling. Again, read all the posts on dermarolling before you start this method. This is alot more risky and painful than ultrasound. It has to be done in a sterile fashion and with the right length tool (1 or 1.5 mm). The 302 topicals you apply post roll are important too. There is a whole thread about dermarolling on the Tools forum.
I keep repeating this, but scarring takes a long time to fix. Don't expect a miracle to happen. It took me a year to get about 75% improvement, and 4+ years to get 90% improvement. You have a better than average chance because you are young, have never done acids or other invasive techniques (except that one laser treatment), and your scars are very shallow. Keep thinking positive but not to the point where you are inspecting your skin every day, and it will go much faster.
I hope you keep reading Part 1 blog, because lots of your questions about ultrasound, dermarolling and 302 products will be answered there.
Even though some people can wear liquid occasionally, I would try to stop using liquid makeup on a regular basis. You may not suffer breakouts from it, but clogged pores, blackheads and milia often result from it. Plus some ingredients in them might not be compatible with 302 Avogen. Better to switch to a very simple MMU for coverage if you are using 302. Eventually, you will need no makeup at all . |
Yes, thanks....I have been reading and considering the ultrasound units, to spped up the process. I wanted to wait approx. 3 months, to see how my skin looked and if I am showing at least a 25% improvement, then I will definately invest in an US Unit. I did have 2 small bumps pop up under my mouth yesterday, they are both red and sore and look like they are ready to be "popped", but other than that, I have done good. I have been using the 302 F/B Bar every night and I decided to do the 302 Drops every other night, but I will probably start tonight, in only using the F/B Bar on the nights I do not use the 302 nights and then Cataphil on the nights I use the 302 Drops.
So far, I like the Hazelnut Oil better than the Jojoba, as the Jojoba Oil tends to make me look VERY pale, and I do not seem to have this issue when using the Hazelnut Oil, but I may decide to rotate them also, on an "as needed" basis.
I have been wearing the UGG, but I have never been fond of MMU.....I actually am not use to wearing make-up because I normally stayed tan, whether it being from the tanning bed or spray tan, but I have decided to give the spray tanning a break, for at least a month and then see if working it back into my regime does okay. |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:11 pm |
nadjazz wrote: |
would I have better results with improving that scar by using the regular 302 drops, not the rosacea drops? |
I'm no expert, but I am guessing that you would have better results with the 302 drops on the spot rather than the rosacea drops. Welcome to 302! |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:32 pm |
I've decided to send my 302 products back to Jennifer. I feel these products are not for me. However, my illustrious/non-professional esthy that I went to in LA will not refund me the products that I bought from her in July. So I have A-boost, high potency 302 drops, Rosacea cleanser, and calming mist. All of these have only been used for a month and are basically new. If any of you want these for 1/2 the price, I'd be glad to ship them out. Just PM if your interested.
Best regards,
Sandralee |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:59 pm |
Sandralee, I'm sorry 302 didn't work out for you. Best of luck in your searching.
nadjazz, I don't have the experience that many of these gals have. I'm at the 8 month point. However, the Rosacea drops are just a less potent form of the 302 drops. Maybe you could start by using the Rosacea drops daily and if that doesn't help, then move up to 302 drops. IMO, going from Rosacea 3Xwk to 302 daily sounds like a pretty big jump.
AmyMentor, you joined only 2 weeks ago and have posted 70 times. I think I heard that new members are only allowed to post 5Xday for a designated period of time. Maybe that is why your posts haven't gone through. |
_________________ 59, medium-fair skin, blonde, lots of sun damage and some rosacea. Extremely sun sensitive. Originally Alexis52 joined 10/03 |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:48 pm |
sandralee wrote: |
I've decided to send my 302 products back to Jennifer. |
Sandralee, have you considered starting over from scratch, but this time actually following 302 protocol? You haven't really had an opportunity to see how the products, and your skin, are actually *supposed* to function and respond because your entire experience has been pretty much "off label". I'd be curious to see how you fare with an actual 302 routine before deciding that the products aren't for you. When used the way they're meant to be used, they really might be pefect for you
Whatever you decide, your experience serves as a perfect cautionary tale about not bucking 302 protocol, even if you get great results initially, and even if you seem to be having no problems at first. It seems that a lot of users say they want to try 302 but then they try to hang on to as many of their old habits/products as possible. In theory, it may be possible that some people can in fact get away with this, but in reality? over the 13 months or so the thread has existed, this seems to guarantee substandard results. Those of you thinking about trying, or just starting with 302, be willing to commit to it fully and have the discipline and patience to stick with it, and it will payoff with better skin.
Best of luck Sandralee, I hope you find something you and your skin are happy with
ETA - Sandralee, if you're still reading the thread, I want to emphasize that this is not a personal criticism - I remember that you were following your esty's advice. Perhaps the lesson is that if your esty's advice goes against 302 protocol, ask them what their reasoning is and why they're making those recommendations, and be cautious if they're going too far away Dr Huber's recommendations. This goes to show how necessary it is for ALL new or potential users to read the first thread and learn 302 philosophy inside and out before starting - you can catch potential problems sooner and save yourself this kind of grief |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:58 pm |
nadjazz wrote: |
Then it dawned on me, that I have the rosacea drops, not the 302 drops...would I have better results with improving that scar by using the regular 302 drops, not the rosacea drops? The area of my face (jaw) that has the scar is actually in very good condition...it's very smooth, healthy skin, tight pores, no acne, rosacea or sensitivity in that area.
ETA: I'm waiting for the ultrasound unit from NCN!
TIA! |
Hey Nadjazz, welcome to the thread
Glad to hear that things are working out well so far.
Since you do have the Rosacea Drops already, I'll echo Lexy's suggestion to try using the Rosacea Drops daily on that one spot. See how that works, and if you hit a plateau, then try moving up to the 302 drops a few days a week.
As your skin improves, you might be able to "retire" the Rosacea Drops completely and just use the 302 Drops every other day, or daily if you prefer. (But be aware of how your skin is reacting - you might actually get better results from using every other day). |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:29 pm |
sandralee wrote: |
I've decided to send my 302 products back to Jennifer. I feel these products are not for me. However, my illustrious/non-professional esthy that I went to in LA will not refund me the products that I bought from her in July. So I have A-boost, high potency 302 drops, Rosacea cleanser, and calming mist. All of these have only been used for a month and are basically new. If any of you want these for 1/2 the price, I'd be glad to ship them out. Just PM if your interested.
Best regards,
Sandralee |
If you still have the A Boost, how much do yuo want for it and how much is left? |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:30 pm |
sandralee wrote: |
I've decided to send my 302 products back to Jennifer. I feel these products are not for me. However, my illustrious/non-professional esthy that I went to in LA will not refund me the products that I bought from her in July. So I have A-boost, high potency 302 drops, Rosacea cleanser, and calming mist. All of these have only been used for a month and are basically new. If any of you want these for 1/2 the price, I'd be glad to ship them out. Just PM if your interested.
Best regards,
Sandralee |
BYW, what is the typical refund policy for these products? Considering they take months to work, say they don't work for me and it has been 3 months, would I still be able to return them and get a refund? |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:34 pm |
Lexyg wrote: |
Sandralee, I'm sorry 302 didn't work out for you. Best of luck in your searching.
nadjazz, I don't have the experience that many of these gals have. I'm at the 8 month point. However, the Rosacea drops are just a less potent form of the 302 drops. Maybe you could start by using the Rosacea drops daily and if that doesn't help, then move up to 302 drops. IMO, going from Rosacea 3Xwk to 302 daily sounds like a pretty big jump.
AmyMentor, you joined only 2 weeks ago and have posted 70 times. I think I heard that new members are only allowed to post 5Xday for a designated period of time. Maybe that is why your posts haven't gone through. |
That is 5x per day until you reach 50 posts......Sorry if I am posting too much....I didn't know posting is a problem.....I figured out why my posts were not going through and it was because I was using AOL, when I switched to Internet Explorer.....the posting "problem" is fixed......Sorry, I didn't combine this in another post, but I wanted to quote what you said...... |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:42 pm |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
BYW, what is the typical refund policy for these products? Considering they take months to work, say they don't work for me and it has been 3 months, would I still be able to return them and get a refund? |
Amy, who is your esty?
I think a return policy depends on where you bought your products, but on the FAQ's on the 302 site it does state that if you are dissatisfied for any reason to return the unused portion and they would refund the price, less shipping. |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:45 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
nadjazz wrote: |
Then it dawned on me, that I have the rosacea drops, not the 302 drops...would I have better results with improving that scar by using the regular 302 drops, not the rosacea drops? The area of my face (jaw) that has the scar is actually in very good condition...it's very smooth, healthy skin, tight pores, no acne, rosacea or sensitivity in that area.
ETA: I'm waiting for the ultrasound unit from NCN!
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Hey Nadjazz, welcome to the thread
Glad to hear that things are working out well so far.
Since you do have the Rosacea Drops already, I'll echo Lexy's suggestion to try using the Rosacea Drops daily on that one spot. See how that works, and if you hit a plateau, then try moving up to the 302 drops a few days a week.
As your skin improves, you might be able to "retire" the Rosacea Drops completely and just use the 302 Drops every other day, or daily if you prefer. (But be aware of how your skin is reacting - you might actually get better results from using every other day). |
Hi Nadjazz!
Good to have you here! I echo Lexy and Lowbrow's advice. You have rosacea and minor changes can trigger a flare (as you experienced with the jojoba). I would be extremely cautious and just use the Rosacea drops daily on the spot and top with the Ointment RX. If it starts getting irritated, cut back on the Rosacea drops.
The 302 drops are stronger and have more Avogen, but the Rosacea Drops have Avogen as well. I would be hesistant to use the 302 drops on a daily basis for rosacea skin types. That is going to be too much for your skin to handle at this point.
Seems you are doing a good job of "reading" your skin and adjusting the regimen. I also read on the professional website that for burns that they recommend alternating the 302 drops and the C Boost. So plan on adding that in a few months when you are able to use the 302 drops. |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:47 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
Since you do have the Rosacea Drops already, I'll echo Lexy's suggestion to try using the Rosacea Drops daily on that one spot. See how that works, and if you hit a plateau, then try moving up to the 302 drops a few days a week.
As your skin improves, you might be able to "retire" the Rosacea Drops completely and just use the 302 Drops every other day, or daily if you prefer. (But be aware of how your skin is reacting - you might actually get better results from using every other day). |
Lowbrowscientist and Lexyg - Thanks for the feedback and welcome! As stated in my original post, I'm already applying the rosacea drops daily only on the scar. It's only been a week, but I can already tell that the skin there is very resilient. I think I'll continue doing that until I need to place another order for cleanser or calming mist. I'll decide then if it's time to use the regular 302 drops. From your feedback, I gather that if I do bump up, I would start by using it 3x/week. |
_________________ Nadine, age 50, live in VA; half-Asian, slight yellow tone; sensitive, dry/combo skin |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:48 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
BYW, what is the typical refund policy for these products? Considering they take months to work, say they don't work for me and it has been 3 months, would I still be able to return them and get a refund? |
Amy, who is your esty?
I think a return policy depends on where you bought your products, but on the FAQ's on the 302 site it does state that if you are dissatisfied for any reason to return the unused portion and they would refund the price, less shipping. |
Jennifer at 21st Century.....I was asking considering results take longer to see with these products and I didn't think that the typical 30 Day Policy would apply. I was just curious! Not a huge deal.....But I guess it would depend on the esty....I thought maybe 302 had a specific time period.
ETA...Hopefully I will be happy with my results and won't have to worry about returns I really wish that I would have found this thread a year ago, lol |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:53 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
BYW, what is the typical refund policy for these products? Considering they take months to work, say they don't work for me and it has been 3 months, would I still be able to return them and get a refund? |
Amy, who is your esty?
I think a return policy depends on where you bought your products, but on the FAQ's on the 302 site it does state that if you are dissatisfied for any reason to return the unused portion and they would refund the price, less shipping. |
I think the estys set their own refund policy, but the 302 company takes products back from their esthys up to 120 days after they ship it out, less a restocking fee.
Sandralee:
So I would email the company and tell them your esthy is refusing you a refund even though you just bought them in July, and let them know why you are dissatisfied with the products and/or service from the esthy. I would definitely tell them the beginning regimen you got from her, because that regimen was all wrong. It didn't follow 302 guidelines at all. |
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