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Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:35 am      Reply with quote
Thought I'd throw out my 4 month progress report with 302.
I had dermabrasion for acne scars 13 years ago. This helped
quite a bit with the shadows of these scars, but the downside
the skin had a slightly different texture, and left a scarline on
my jaws. So dermabrasion was a bitter/sweet experience.
Had some chemical peels and collagen injections, but I was
still unhappy. Last winter did an overzealous chemical peel
at home and left a burn on my left cheek. An area of
discoloration kinda reddish.

The skin stabilized and was slooooowly healing. I dermarolled
2 times with a 1mm April/May. I felt this would initiate the
healing cascade for new skin. Since May, I havn't rolled.
I initiated 302 products to nourish my skin, and hopefully
enhance my 2 rolls.

Incorporating 302 went well. Probably over a 2 month period
to where I am today: Mon- 302 serum ; Tue- lightning drops: Wed-
A-Boost.... Then repeat Th/Fri/Sat and rest Sunday.

I have limited experience with 302, but here's what I've learned,
and its just my subjective opinion. The 302 serum sensed the
skin that I had dermabrasion with as "scar tissue". Its kind of a
hybrid skin that is skin, and funky scar tissue mixed. You would
not notice unless you really look close. This skin is being remodeled
into "regular skin". Definitely a big, big plus. It initially left my
skin looking worse. I came a whisker from ditching 302
because for a few weeks it really looked much worse. I think
I said "I'll give it another week or two", if it doesn't improve, that's it.
(I was over dosing the 302 drops, see below).

When I finally introduced the A-boost, and began using serum
instead of the drops and c,
it "clicked" for me. My skin took a tremdous turn for the
better in the past 3 weeks or so. I looked yesterday morning
closely, and would guess a 40% improvement.

Because you can't see my face its hard to describe, but the healing
has kind of 3 levels. Each level becoming progressively lighter
and smoother in color. The flat, white scar on my right cheek,
which had no character to it at all, now is dissolving, perhaps
25% gone, and I can see the vague outline of pores. The deeper
scar next to it is at "level 2", with one more level to go and its healed.
(went from level 3 to level 2) ..... (I realize I made up these names
for the levels, but believe me after looking at it for so long its
the way I describe it to myself). The quarter sized burn on my left
cheek is at level 2, finallllllllllllly sealing up from level 3.
I hope I am not rambling too much. The huge burn, maybe 2 inches
by 2 inches is at level 2. So it looks soooo much better.
Also interesting is the scar I was trying to get rid of last winter is
not reforming. It smooth now.

I don't mean to imply I looked horrible, horrible from the burn.
on a scale of 1-10, I would rate my problem a 3.5 on the scar/burn
scale. Psychologically the early part of the year was hard, really
hard.

302 seems to be working for me, I've even considered not dermarolling
anymore and just letting these products run their course.

Let's see, my only major mistake was using 302 drops wrong. I just cannot get
the hang of it and was overapplying, causing my "fake skin" to dissolve
too fast. When I started using the 302 serum, I really could dose the
appropriate amount onto my face. It took me 3 months, and I tried to
error on the side of caution, to establish the amount to apply. For me it
was really tricky. I can see why its necessary to have outside help.
My help was reading here, and speaking with the specialists where I
purchased the product. So that's it. I'll continue to read here and chime
in in the future again to progress what is happening. Best wishes to
All......... Let's see Boski, Septembergirl, rileygirl, lowbrow, mentor,
lexy, and all who contribute to this thread.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:03 pm      Reply with quote
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Alright....just ran into a brief discussion on warming the 302 Drops before application & that warning them helps them to penetrate into the skin.....I am on page 100, of the 1st thread.....So all I have left are Pages 100 - 133 (I read the last 30 pages first, for whatever reason Embarassed

Anyways, I only saw brief discussion, just mentioning the different methods one could use to heat the drops......(Microwave, Bottle Warmer, Etc.)but I didn't see great discussion, so how do I do this? Would I put the entire bottle in the the bottle warmer and leave it there for so long before I use it....or basically, what is the best way to heat the drops?

I hope that makes sense.....I am a little off today....Sorry


I was told to use a ramekin, put 1 pump of the drops in the ramekin and add some water or calming mist to that, then warm that up in the microwave. It only takes about 10 seconds, tops, to get the drops hot. If your drops are already penetrating your skin, I would not see why you would need to do this. (The drops were not penetrating my skin, but more sitting on top. I don't heat the drops up any longer, and I don't use the hot washcloth, etc. I just apply the drops - that is all I need now, as everything penetrates just fine.)
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Thanks for the information, stevie. That sounds like a great improvement already. I wish you continued success with 302! Very Happy
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stevie_ wrote:
Thought I'd throw out my 4 month progress report with 302.
I had dermabrasion for acne scars 13 years ago. This helped
quite a bit with the shadows of these scars, but the downside
the skin had a slightly different texture, and left a scarline on
my jaws. So dermabrasion was a bitter/sweet experience.
Had some chemical peels and collagen injections, but I was
still unhappy. Last winter did an overzealous chemical peel
at home and left a burn on my left cheek. An area of
discoloration kinda reddish.

The skin stabilized and was slooooowly healing. I dermarolled
2 times with a 1mm April/May. I felt this would initiate the
healing cascade for new skin. Since May, I havn't rolled.
I initiated 302 products to nourish my skin, and hopefully
enhance my 2 rolls.

Incorporating 302 went well. Probably over a 2 month period
to where I am today: Mon- 302 serum ; Tue- lightning drops: Wed-
A-Boost.... Then repeat Th/Fri/Sat and rest Sunday.

I have limited experience with 302, but here's what I've learned,
and its just my subjective opinion. The 302 serum sensed the
skin that I had dermabrasion with as "scar tissue". Its kind of a
hybrid skin that is skin, and funky scar tissue mixed. You would
not notice unless you really look close. This skin is being remodeled
into "regular skin". Definitely a big, big plus. It initially left my
skin looking worse. I came a whisker from ditching 302
because for a few weeks it really looked much worse. I think
I said "I'll give it another week or two", if it doesn't improve, that's it.
(I was over dosing the 302 drops, see below).

When I finally introduced the A-boost, and began using serum
instead of the drops and c,
it "clicked" for me. My skin took a tremdous turn for the
better in the past 3 weeks or so. I looked yesterday morning
closely, and would guess a 40% improvement.

Because you can't see my face its hard to describe, but the healing
has kind of 3 levels. Each level becoming progressively lighter
and smoother in color. The flat, white scar on my right cheek,
which had no character to it at all, now is dissolving, perhaps
25% gone, and I can see the vague outline of pores. The deeper
scar next to it is at "level 2", with one more level to go and its healed.
(went from level 3 to level 2) ..... (I realize I made up these names
for the levels, but believe me after looking at it for so long its
the way I describe it to myself). The quarter sized burn on my left
cheek is at level 2, finallllllllllllly sealing up from level 3.
I hope I am not rambling too much. The huge burn, maybe 2 inches
by 2 inches is at level 2. So it looks soooo much better.
Also interesting is the scar I was trying to get rid of last winter is
not reforming. It smooth now.

I don't mean to imply I looked horrible, horrible from the burn.
on a scale of 1-10, I would rate my problem a 3.5 on the scar/burn
scale. Psychologically the early part of the year was hard, really
hard.

302 seems to be working for me, I've even considered not dermarolling
anymore and just letting these products run their course.

Let's see, my only major mistake was using 302 drops wrong. I just cannot get
the hang of it and was overapplying, causing my "fake skin" to dissolve
too fast. When I started using the 302 serum, I really could dose the
appropriate amount onto my face. It took me 3 months, and I tried to
error on the side of caution, to establish the amount to apply. For me it
was really tricky. I can see why its necessary to have outside help.
My help was reading here, and speaking with the specialists where I
purchased the product. So that's it. I'll continue to read here and chime
in in the future again to progress what is happening. Best wishes to
All......... Let's see Boski, Septembergirl, rileygirl, lowbrow, mentor,
lexy, and all who contribute to this thread.


Stevie,

Thanks for your story. It's very helpful for people to post their experiences, good or bad, so others can learn from them. I think the 302 drops are much harder for newbies to use. You can easily go overboard with them if you do not wet them properly. I prefer the emulsion 302 serum for new users, especially people with acne prone, oily skin. It was the serum (but it was called "302 Protein Drops" back then) that I first used in 2005. It costs more than the lipid 302 drops, but if you want to avoid breakouts or using too much, the 302 serum is the way to go. You don't need to wet the 302 serums.

Stevie, I think postponing dermarolling is a good idea. Looks like you are getting results without it and you don't want to risk infection or too much inflammation right now. When you sense a plateau and your skin looks more normal, then I would think about dermarolling. Use your ultrasound in the meantime.

Continued luck to you and thanks again for your post.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:33 pm      Reply with quote
Stevie,

Forgot to say in my previous note, but think about getting a sample of the Ointment RX to use as spot treatment over the burn, and also the Recovery Minerals as a treatment over the 302 serum. The RM+302 serum used together creates a synergistic reaction and will help heal, remoisturize the skin, and protect it from sun damage. Use the Recovery Minerals morning and night.
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Hello all,
I finally spoke with Jennifer and she truly is an awesome, nice, generous person!

My main skin issue is hyperpigmentation. She has recommended a beginning regime of just using the c-boost, and alternating 2 cleaners, then introducing the 302 drops or serum a few months down the line. I plan on taking her advice, but it is the opposite of the beginning regimes I've seen recommended here. From what I've read here, it would make a bit more sense to start with the drops in order to re-metabolize the skin/break up bad tissues, then when the skin is normalizing, tackle the pigmentation with the vitamin c products. I'd just hate to waste a bottle of c-boost if my skin isn't in the proper receptive condition for the c-boost to be efficacious. Please chime in with your opinions.
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It seems to me that this thread mixes up content of 302 skincare advice/reviews and discussion of who is the founder. The two topics are now getting too mixed up and since there are two camps of people - those that are interested in who the founder is and those who are not - the topic is being split. If you like to follow the discussion on who is Dr Huber then this thread now sits in the Skincare and Makeup forum (not Product Reviews) here: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=35446. I will post a link at that thread shortly to make sure that new readers can keep up with both discussions.

FYI: One post was deleted from this thread because I am of the firm belief that there is no need to get snippy when someone disagrees with your opinion.

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Coconut wrote:
Hello all,
I finally spoke with Jennifer and she truly is an awesome, nice, generous person!

My main skin issue is hyperpigmentation. She has recommended a beginning regime of just using the c-boost, and alternating 2 cleaners, then introducing the 302 drops or serum a few months down the line. I plan on taking her advice, but it is the opposite of the beginning regimes I've seen recommended here. From what I've read here, it would make a bit more sense to start with the drops in order to re-metabolize the skin/break up bad tissues, then when the skin is normalizing, tackle the pigmentation with the vitamin c products. I'd just hate to waste a bottle of c-boost if my skin isn't in the proper receptive condition for the c-boost to be efficacious. Please chime in with your opinions.


That does differ from the usual beginning routines that I've read although I have no doubt that Jennifer knows her stuff. I am curious though! Smile Did she share her thoughts on why using the drops/serum later might be more beneficial?
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MentorAmy05 wrote:
Alright....just ran into a brief discussion on warming the 302 Drops before application & that warning them helps them to penetrate into the skin.....I am on page 100, of the 1st thread.....So all I have left are Pages 100 - 133 (I read the last 30 pages first, for whatever reason Embarassed

Anyways, I only saw brief discussion, just mentioning the different methods one could use to heat the drops......(Microwave, Bottle Warmer, Etc.)but I didn't see great discussion, so how do I do this? Would I put the entire bottle in the the bottle warmer and leave it there for so long before I use it....or basically, what is the best way to heat the drops?

I hope that makes sense.....I am a little off today....Sorry


I was told to use a ramekin, put 1 pump of the drops in the ramekin and add some water or calming mist to that, then warm that up in the microwave. It only takes about 10 seconds, tops, to get the drops hot. If your drops are already penetrating your skin, I would not see why you would need to do this. (The drops were not penetrating my skin, but more sitting on top. I don't heat the drops up any longer, and I don't use the hot washcloth, etc. I just apply the drops - that is all I need now, as everything penetrates just fine.)


Do you personally use any "gadgets" (ie: US, Etc.) or only the Drops?

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Do you personally use any "gadgets" (ie: US, Etc.) or only the Drops?


I have an ezzi-peel and the 2 MHz ultrasound. Both definitely work to penetrate the actives in.
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Quick question, sorry if it has been addressed, but I have not seen it mentioned, as of yet.

I know the 302 Drops are typically applied at night....I normally apply mine at night, as well.....but say I applied the 302 Drops and then decided to go out, to eat or whatever and wanted to put my MMU on.....Would that be okay to apply the MMU directly over the 302 Drops or should I wait an hour, or how long?

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MentorAmy05 wrote:
Quick question, sorry if it has been addressed, but I have not seen it mentioned, as of yet.

I know the 302 Drops are typically applied at night....I normally apply mine at night, as well.....but say I applied the 302 Drops and then decided to go out, to eat or whatever and wanted to put my MMU on.....Would that be okay to apply the MMU directly over the 302 Drops or should I wait an hour, or how long?


I usually wait 5 to 10 minutes, just to let everything sort of sink in first, then apply. It probably doesn't matter as far as the drops are concerned, but I think the MMU goes on a bit more smoothly if I wait a few minutes before applying.

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MentorAmy05 wrote:
Quick question, sorry if it has been addressed, but I have not seen it mentioned, as of yet.

I know the 302 Drops are typically applied at night....I normally apply mine at night, as well.....but say I applied the 302 Drops and then decided to go out, to eat or whatever and wanted to put my MMU on.....Would that be okay to apply the MMU directly over the 302 Drops or should I wait an hour, or how long?


I usually wait 5 to 10 minutes, just to let everything sort of sink in first, then apply. It probably doesn't matter as far as the drops are concerned, but I think the MMU goes on a bit more smoothly if I wait a few minutes before applying.


Gotcha....I was uncertain that I could put the 302 Drops on and then the MMU....For some reason, I assumed I had to wait 'til the next morning.....So that is great.

Also, I just applied the 302 Drops for my tonight regime and this time, I actually have a red face and it "tingles"....Is this normal, as I have not had the red face and tingle before tonight!

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Because 302 functionality is largely centered in the epidermis, getting the crosslink inhibition effect deep down requires ultrasound to push it there

I am not sure I fully understand what Dr. Huber is saying here.

Can someone translate into simpler terms?

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Because 302 functionality is largely centered in the epidermis, getting the crosslink inhibition effect deep down requires ultrasound to push it there

I am not sure I fully understand what Dr. Huber is saying here.

Can someone translate into simpler terms?

Thanks, BF


Hey BF,

I took that to mean that, with the help of the ultrasound, the Avocatin will prevent fibers from crosslinking (creating the tough, impenetrable skin/scar tissue/deep lines) down in the dermis, whereas normally it doesn't reach that deep and functions more in the epidermis.

That's been my interpretation. Hopefully I'm not muddying the waters further.

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In addition, to my above question, in reference to the redness of my face after last nights application, I also want to ask about a post I read on Page 119, of the 1st thread, in regards to the study Dr. Huber completed on acne scarring. Does anyone know where I can find those results?

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MentorAmy05 wrote:
In addition, to my above question, in reference to the redness of my face after last nights application, I also want to ask about a post I read on Page 119, of the 1st thread, in regards to the study Dr. Huber completed on acne scarring. Does anyone know where I can find those results?


Amy, the redness may or may not mean anything. You're using every other day, correct? If so, just continue as usual tomorrow night and if you have any trouble you could try backing off to every third night. Also, if you sense problems cropping up, your best bet would also be to contact Jennifer and see what your options are at that point. She can help you with the troubleshooting. It may not actually be a problem at all, though, just a temporary effect that will eventually go away.

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I also want to ask about a post I read on Page 119, of the 1st thread, in regards to the study Dr. Huber completed on acne scarring. Does anyone know where I can find those results?


That study could not be completed, unfortunately.

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Yes, you are correct.

I have been using the Drops e/o night with no probs (other than a bump or so, below my lips, on my chin, which from what i keep reading, is quite common.)

I was uncertain because I normally do not get red like I did last night, nor do I normally have the "tingling" in the skin....but I will see how it does tomorrow....I could have irrated it from doing a "double" dose on the F&BB, as I cleaned twice with that, before the 302 Drops application.

I really hate that the study could not be completed, as I am certain there would have been a tremendous amount of valuable info., from it.....Do you know why it could not be completed?

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Do any of you use UGloGirl MMU? Nemo recommended it as one of a few good lines and I absolutely LOVE their MMU for days that I want to use makeup.

I received an email that UGloGirl is changing to Niccolò Nardi Skin Research and discontinuing a lot of their cosmetics. I'm crushed! What has me a bit worried is that they are changing the MMU (from what I could gather from the press release email) but assured "us" that they would remain a pure, true, yada yada MMU. I don't want them to change a thing! I hope it remains mostly the same.

The site is closed for a few weeks and then will re-emerge as Niccolo Nardi and focus on skin care research. I'm wondering how they will make money doing research? This will be interesting to follow.

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Lexyg wrote:
Do any of you use UGloGirl MMU? Nemo recommended it as one of a few good lines and I absolutely LOVE their MMU for days that I want to use makeup.

I received an email that UGloGirl is changing to Niccolò Nardi Skin Research and discontinuing a lot of their cosmetics. I'm crushed! What has me a bit worried is that they are changing the MMU (from what I could gather from the press release email) but assured "us" that they would remain a pure, true, yada yada MMU. I don't want them to change a thing! I hope it remains mostly the same.

The site is closed for a few weeks and then will re-emerge as Niccolo Nardi and focus on skin care research. I'm wondering how they will make money doing research? This will be interesting to follow.



I also have started using the UGG MMU, as the recommendations seemed great.

I use to rarely wear any type of facial M/U, because I kept tanned.....but since I have started the 302 Regime, I want to be as "faithful", as I can be, so that I can get the best results available......

WTS, I have never been keen to MMU....I did purchase the Bare Essentuals MMU and I seemed to do okay with it, but like I said, just really don't like the way the MMU applys......But now since the great recommendations on applications that I received from the owner of UGG, I seem to be loving their MMU now.....Never thought I would....so I also hope they keep it the same......don't mind the name change, as long as it is the same product...... Wink

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Coconut wrote:
Hello all,
I finally spoke with Jennifer and she truly is an awesome, nice, generous person!

My main skin issue is hyperpigmentation. She has recommended a beginning regime of just using the c-boost, and alternating 2 cleaners, then introducing the 302 drops or serum a few months down the line. I plan on taking her advice, but it is the opposite of the beginning regimes I've seen recommended here. From what I've read here, it would make a bit more sense to start with the drops in order to re-metabolize the skin/break up bad tissues, then when the skin is normalizing, tackle the pigmentation with the vitamin c products. I'd just hate to waste a bottle of c-boost if my skin isn't in the proper receptive condition for the c-boost to be efficacious. Please chime in with your opinions.


That does differ from the usual beginning routines that I've read although I have no doubt that Jennifer knows her stuff. I am curious though! Smile Did she share her thoughts on why using the drops/serum later might be more beneficial?


Well, I think she wants to tackle the hyperpigmentation first, though I think it may be more beneficial to normalize my skin first, then use the c-boost. I've used THA in the past without any results, so I'm wondering now if it would be beneficial to start there, hmmmm.
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Amy, I think the wisest thing I've learnt from using 302 is to pay close attention to your skin and how it reacts / responds (sounds like you're doing just that). If it starts feeling and looking very irritated, back off from the frequency of using the actives. I spoke to Jennifer recently and she was saying that the toughest part is finding the right recipe/dose for people.

I am seeing improvements even using 2x a week, and only half a pump each time..lol. If I use more than 3x a week, I'm in big trouble i.e. breakouts etc etc.. I guess I'll save lots of money doing that Smile so I think it takes a bit of detective work and adjusting.

Btw if anyone's wondering, my uncontrollable breakouts have as usual cleared up like lightning. I think it is possible that I was breakout out from changing cleansers and overusing of actives. But I am still going to call Dr. Huber to discuss these issues. And btw since changing to the 302 cleansers, I no longer have dehydrated skin!! Amazing.

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Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:31 pm      Reply with quote
Okay,,...yet another question....(I have also e-mailed Jennifer about it, to get her opinion) but I have been reading about the Ointment RX & I think that I want to give that a "shot", before the A Boost.....Is this something that would be okay, with me just starting out and also, will this help spped up the results of the scarring?

From what I have read, t seemd like it is a great "everyday" product and I definately want you guys honest opinions, as to whether it is too soon to incorporate the Ointment RX and how well it does on scars.

Thank you!

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Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:53 pm      Reply with quote
Could you guys let me know about the following ingredients as far as using this once a week?

Aloe Vera - DHA - Erythrulose
Witch Hazel - Caramelized Sugars (Bronzers)- Jugians Regia (Walnut Shell Extract)
Panthenol - Acai Berry - Rosemary - Ginseng - Vitamins E&C - Caffeine - Citric Acid
Ordenone (odor control) - XANTHAN Gum
Following is less than 1% of total formula: Phenethyl Alcohol & Caprylyl Glycoi, FD&C
Red #40, MX-456 Dark Brown, MX-295 Black & Yellow #5

Could someone please find this out for me?

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