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Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:53 pm |
I'm not an expert, and I'm still finding my feet with this whole thing. But I've learnt my lesson well with not overusing the actives :P
I know that rx ointment energizes the effect of actives, so I've been told. So if the actives are already working your skin, I wouldn't add that on top of the actives just yet in case you overwork those poor skin receptors.
Perhaps you could ask Jennifer if you could use it in the daytime instead. And if you do use it, I would put a VERY VERY thin film over, and spread it with the mist or even water, and don't rub it in because it can be occlusive to the pores. It gave me acne when I used to much of it (i.e. don't slather it on) |
_________________ 25, oily very acne-prone skin (hormonal acne), Australia, using and *loving* 302 skin care |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:43 pm |
Yay....I have FINALLLLY finished reading the entire 1st Part of the 302 Thread.....I am going to go back and re-read pages 135-165, as I read last, back, to begin with (?)
I will definately stay on top of this thread, for as long as I use the 302 Products, as I don't want to have to read that much again
I did e-mail Jennifer about the RXO, but wanted to get everyone elses opinion on adding it into my daily regime (which isn't much, as of yet) but I think regardless, I will go ahead and order it, whether I can start immediately or a month down the road. At least it will be there if/when I need it....I am so impatient......I know these products take time and I am givingit a shot.....I have been faithful......BUT...I am going to do the spray tan this week (or next) and see hoe that goes, as Jennifer seems to think that it is okay since it is only once per week, but I don't know if she is realizing the product stays on the skin for 7-10 days..... |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:05 pm |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
Yay....I have FINALLLLY finished reading the entire 1st Part of the 302 Thread.....I am going to go back and re-read pages 135-165, as I read last, back, to begin with (?)
I will definately stay on top of this thread, for as long as I use the 302 Products, as I don't want to have to read that much again
I did e-mail Jennifer about the RXO, but wanted to get everyone elses opinion on adding it into my daily regime (which isn't much, as of yet) but I think regardless, I will go ahead and order it, whether I can start immediately or a month down the road. At least it will be there if/when I need it....I am so impatient......I know these products take time and I am givingit a shot.....I have been faithful......BUT...I am going to do the spray tan this week (or next) and see hoe that goes, as Jennifer seems to think that it is okay since it is only once per week, but I don't know if she is realizing the product stays on the skin for 7-10 days..... |
Hi Amy,
I think the spray tan should be ok too. I know the DHA binds with the skin proteins to alter the color, but the actual liquid base will only be there immediately after application. Just continue to watch carefully and see how your skin reacts, and make alterations from there. Also....
1] for the scarring, stick with the A Boost. ORX is great and well worth having, but it's not an "active" in the sense that it will get into the cells and help to remodel the skin, like the A/C Boosts and Avocatin. That's why it can be used when people are transitioning. It will definitely help to use the ORX *over* the A Boost, though.
2] if you get the ORX, follow HeavenLeigh's advice and apply only in a VERY thin layer, and personally, I'd avoid daily use for a few weeks until you can be sure it won't cause breakouts. Dr H emphasized that it's not a moisturizer and using it as such is asking for trouble. It's to be used sparingly.
Also, Jennifer may have already told you this, but if you do get the Ointment *don't try to rub it into your skin* the way you normally would with a lotion (and definitely not like the drops, which are massaged in thoroughly). Just spread a thin layer on top of your skin and after a few minutes it will "set" (for lack of a better description). It can take a few applications to get the hang of it. And it also tends to have a "ghosting" effect on tan skin, so you might want to try it out at night (when you're in for the evening), either alone or over actives. |
_________________ 302 (Part one): http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28855&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0 |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:23 pm |
Lexyg wrote: |
Do any of you use UGloGirl MMU? Nemo recommended it as one of a few good lines and I absolutely LOVE their MMU for days that I want to use makeup.
I received an email that UGloGirl is changing to Niccolò Nardi Skin Research and discontinuing a lot of their cosmetics. I'm crushed! What has me a bit worried is that they are changing the MMU (from what I could gather from the press release email) but assured "us" that they would remain a pure, true, yada yada MMU. I don't want them to change a thing! I hope it remains mostly the same.
The site is closed for a few weeks and then will re-emerge as Niccolo Nardi and focus on skin care research. I'm wondering how they will make money doing research? This will be interesting to follow. |
Thanks for the heads up, Lexy - I use the UGG too. I'll be keeping an eye on what happens with the MMU. I really hope they just leave the formula alone, but that's probably not a realistic expectation
Arya recently sent me an excellent suggestion since I've been looking at different MMU options lately - she uses a product called SuprSun (made by Premium Minerals): http://premiuminerals.com/sun.html
The SuprSun has an spf of 20 and she said she uses it over the untinted spf 15, and gets a very natural look. And since that can be hard to get sometimes with MMU, it sounds like it's worth a try. |
_________________ 302 (Part one): http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28855&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0 |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:03 am |
I am interested in the face and bodywash bar, Where is a good place to buy online? |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:52 am |
rileygirl wrote: |
I have an ezzi-peel and the 2 MHz ultrasound. Both definitely work to penetrate the actives in. |
Hi Rileygirl, I have only posted a few times but read here everyday. I'm interested in your experience and results with the ezzi-peel and the 2 MHZ. Is the 2 MHz your more recent purchase? (apologies if you've already mentioned that) I too have a bit of the lipofuscin issue and wonder how you are keeping track of your progress.
Also, since I don't have a schedule that permits posting regularly-- big Thanks to Boski and all the participants and my esty for great info and support. I'm currently on my first 302 holiday. I'm one who never used heavy acids-- aside from a random aspirin mask. Skin type is auburn-redhead-blue-eyed-40+ w/fairly minimal sun damage. No adverse effects from my simple routine of alternating bar and sensitive cleanser, 302 drops and c-boost. I love the recovery minerals and the ointment and am a happy camper. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:57 am |
Also, thanks Lexyg for the heads up re UGlo.. It is the first mineral foundation I've used-- I have been using Cameo. Hope it will continue to be available! |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:26 am |
Kate08 wrote: |
Hi Rileygirl, I have only posted a few times but read here everyday. I'm interested in your experience and results with the ezzi-peel and the 2 MHZ. Is the 2 MHz your more recent purchase? (apologies if you've already mentioned that) I too have a bit of the lipofuscin issue and wonder how you are keeping track of your progress.
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Hi, Kate. I got the ezzi-peel first, and then the 2 MHz after that. I used the ezzi-peel for several months for exfoliation and to penetrate the 302 products in. After using the ezzi-peel for exfoliation my skin is definitely very soft. I think it works really well for getting the dead skin cells off. It also works well to penetrate the products in. I don't have issues with clogged pores (except for the recent flares!), so I can't tell help with how the ezzi-peel would be for that.
For the 2 MHz, I used that one for about a few months with a 2 week on, 1 week off schedule (due to almost daily use of the 2 MHz to penetrate the products in). I just used this for a few minutes at a time 6 days a week and just for penetration. The 2 MHz works equally well to penetrate the products in. I think it is supposed to be a "little bit" stronger than the ezzi-peel for penetrating products in, which is why I went ahead and got the 2 MHz. After about 4 months or so, I did not need to penetrate the products in any longer, so I pretty much stopped using both. I have not had any visible results from either of these, but all I was after was getting the products to penetrate. Right now I am using the 2 MHz for longer sessions 10+ minutes a few times a week to see if I can get any improvement in sagging around the jaw line. So far, I look really good afterwards with the jaw area looking tighter, but the tightening does not last.
As for monitoring the lipofuscin, I'm just taking pictures (was doing monthly for the 1st 3 months, but decided to go to 3 month intervals for the pics). I have 2-3 "larger" spots (and they really aren't large at all), but those are the ones that I keep my eye on to see if they are fading, getting smaller, etc. I have just seen a very slight lightening of the spots at this time (6 months now). Hope that helps. Let me know if you want more info on the ezzi-peel or the 2 MHz. Not sure if I answered the questions you had or not! |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:08 am |
Hey everyone, chickenlittle here, I thought I would check in and say hi.. Life has got in the way a bit recently but I'm back!
Wow, the 302 thread has grown into a monster since I have been away .. I am going to buckle down to some serious reading and work my way through it.
Here is my 302 update:
Been using 302 since August 2008, and I am super happy. The benefits are:
- thicker, better textured skin
- softer
- much nicer colour
- most of all - not inflamed and damaged and addicted to acids. The copper peptides did a lot of harm to my skin.
I am STILL getting the little plugs of hardened sebum/fragmented proteins that bothered me since using cps, but if at their height they were 100%, now its about 10% so they are much reduced.
Acne and spots I keep in check through healthy living, although the A Boost is very nice too.
I recently had a 2 week break from 302, and now I'm back on it - ready to take it up a level. My main goal is for overall wrinkle reduction and general glow, and to tighten up loose skin on my neck from losing weight. I'm doing neck exercises too for this & dry brushing.
So this is my routine:
Morning - rinse with warm then cool water, massage with hazelnut oil, hot towel to take off excess
Evening - Cleanse with cleanser or bar - then Rotate 302 drops or A Boost, and C Boost about once a week.
I have been doing pretty much this routine for a year now, if my memory serves correct! I have used Remergent DNA at times too, to help repair the copper damage. At first the C Boost gave me little pus-filled spots so I didn't use it, but I'm 100% ok with it now.
I am using UGloGirl for sunscreen, but I wonder if it isn't strong enough, so I'm going to try the Recovery Minerals.
I am interested in trying the 302 Plus Serum (the strongest one), perhaps once or twice a week. I'd also like to try the Acne Serum ...
I am seriously wishing for the ultrasound machine from Bellaire, but it's not within my price range at the mo ... if anyone wants to sell theirs 2nd hand then pm me!
It's so nice to see familiar faces here - boski and everyone you are doing an amazing job helping people out. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:44 pm |
I only currently use the drops and the F&BB, but I am wanting to incorporate the A Boost from what I have read here.....
I realized later in thread that the Orc should be a spot treated and not a mois, so I will probaley wait to start that
I do have a qustion though.....some of the pitted scars that I have seem to look worse on some days.....what could be causing this?????
As stated above I am only using the drops(every o/day) and the F&BB
do you guys think it may be from the drops? I have noticed this only a couple of times, but nonetheless, it is happenning |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:01 pm |
I also wanted to ask....For example,when we were talking about how much 302 drops needed to be used for application.....You guys keep saying dropper full, 1/2 dropper full, etc., But I do NOT have a dropper....Mine is in a SPRAY form....Is this knew? (I think I actually recall both being discussed) |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:14 pm |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
I also wanted to ask....For example,when we were talking about how much 302 drops needed to be used for application.....You guys keep saying dropper full, 1/2 dropper full, etc., But I do NOT have a dropper....Mine is in a SPRAY form....Is this knew? (I think I actually recall both being discussed) |
Amy, do you mean yours is in a *pump* dispenser? All the newer bottles have pumps, like this: http://www.302skincare.com/products_302hpdrops.html
I use one full *pump*, and apply it to wet skin. That amount covers my face, and part of my neck. Some people get even more out of it, some less - it's an individual thing.
I think your scars looking different is probably just day to day differences - we all have good days and bad days with our skin (just like our hair). It might also just be that on some days, to *you*, the scars stand out more. Just keep on as you have been, and after a couple months or so, re-evaluate. Ask yourself if you have a net gain, or a net loss. If it's the latter, you can troubleshoot by adding or removing products, changing application frequency, or even trying a new skin care line if you think 302 isn't for you. Don't get too focused on the day-to-day changes (unless we're talking about major irritation, or something - just use common sense and good judgement and you'll be fine) |
_________________ 302 (Part one): http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28855&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0 |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:45 pm |
minigister wrote: |
I am interested in the face and bodywash bar, Where is a good place to buy online? |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:52 pm |
minigister wrote: |
minigister wrote: |
I am interested in the face and bodywash bar, Where is a good place to buy online? |
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Sorry minigister, missed your first post!
Try Jennifer at 21st century Skin Care: http://www.21st-centuryskincare.com/index.htm
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Nanci at http://www.ncnproskincare.com/
Email either of them and let them know you want to try the Face and Body Bar, and they'll send you information. |
_________________ 302 (Part one): http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28855&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0 |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:56 pm |
minigister wrote: |
minigister wrote: |
I am interested in the face and bodywash bar, Where is a good place to buy online? |
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Hi minigister, you can get the products through a variety of sites -
www.21st-centuryskincare.com
www.302skincare.com
www.the-faceplace.com
You need to email the estheticians to order them I personally speak with Jennifer from 21st century skincare and like her service.
Hope this helps! |
_________________ 25, oily very acne-prone skin (hormonal acne), Australia, using and *loving* 302 skin care |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:52 pm |
Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
I also wanted to ask....For example,when we were talking about how much 302 drops needed to be used for application.....You guys keep saying dropper full, 1/2 dropper full, etc., But I do NOT have a dropper....Mine is in a SPRAY form....Is this knew? (I think I actually recall both being discussed) |
Amy, do you mean yours is in a *pump* dispenser? All the newer bottles have pumps, like this: http://www.302skincare.com/products_302hpdrops.html
I use one full *pump*, and apply it to wet skin. That amount covers my face, and part of my neck. Some people get even more out of it, some less - it's an individual thing.
I think your scars looking different is probably just day to day differences - we all have good days and bad days with our skin (just like our hair). It might also just be that on some days, to *you*, the scars stand out more. Just keep on as you have been, and after a couple months or so, re-evaluate. Ask yourself if you have a net gain, or a net loss. If it's the latter, you can troubleshoot by adding or removing products, changing application frequency, or even trying a new skin care line if you think 302 isn't for you. Don't get too focused on the day-to-day changes (unless we're talking about major irritation, or something - just use common sense and good judgement and you'll be fine) |
Yes ma'am that s it.
It could very well be just a bad day......I have also noticed that some of the "pits" look deeper, when I apply the MMU.....
I definately am going to give it time to work....I am so anxious for the time to go by, so that I can see how it does.
Thank you for your response. |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:05 pm |
Thanks Rileygirl!
Your post does answer all my questions. Both devices are tempting. Due to budget for the time being, when I start back up with the actives again I will probably experiment with the hot washcloth method to increase product penetration and see what kind of difference that might make.
Re photos: I took a few before starting 302 and am now waiting for a tripod to arrive so that it's easier to take useful pictures. The 3 month interval that you use sounds good. I'm glad that you are seeing good results! Thanks again!
rileygirl wrote: |
As for monitoring the lipofuscin, I'm just taking pictures (was doing monthly for the 1st 3 months, but decided to go to 3 month intervals for the pics). I have 2-3 "larger" spots (and they really aren't large at all), but those are the ones that I keep my eye on to see if they are fading, getting smaller, etc. I have just seen a very slight lightening of the spots at this time (6 months now). Hope that helps. Let me know if you want more info on the ezzi-peel or the 2 MHz. Not sure if I answered the questions you had or not! |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:25 pm |
Kate08 wrote: |
Thanks Rileygirl!
Your post does answer all my questions. Both devices are tempting. Due to budget for the time being, when I start back up with the actives again I will probably experiment with the hot washcloth method to increase product penetration and see what kind of difference that might make.
Re photos: I took a few before starting 302 and am now waiting for a tripod to arrive so that it's easier to take useful pictures. The 3 month interval that you use sounds good. I'm glad that you are seeing good results! Thanks again!
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No problem! I definitely understand budget issues! You might want to also try the warming the drops in the microwave if you are after product penetration, as that really helped me. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:06 pm |
MentorAmy05 wrote: |
It could very well be just a bad day......I have also noticed that some of the "pits" look deeper, when I apply the MMU..... |
And don't underestimate lighting differences... depending on what part of the house I'm in, my skin can look better or worse depending on whether or not it's sunny or overcast outside (at least the bay window always gives me a truthful assessment!) |
_________________ 302 (Part one): http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28855&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0 |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:33 am |
Does ultrasound have other benefits besides product penetration? I read it can help with ageing and firming the skin. Im surprised you havent got any results. I was prepared to buy the 2mhz ultrasound device but your review doesnt sound positive. |
_________________ 23yr old Asian with combination skin prone to clogged pores. hyperpigmentation from pimples. uneven skintone, scars |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:38 am |
faeriedust wrote: |
Does ultrasound have other benefits besides product penetration? I read it can help with ageing and firming the skin. Im surprised you havent got any results. I was prepared to buy the 2mhz ultrasound device but your review doesnt sound positive. |
faeriedust, all you can do is try it. Everyone's skin is so different and what works for one will not work for another. But, seeing that you are only 22 years-old, I seriously doubt you would see anything significant with the US. I am not sure what you are after with using it though. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:15 am |
ultrasound is a really popular device to use in Asia and the people there have really gorgeous skin. I read ultrasound is good for firming the skin and there was lifting of the skin with a more sophisticated ultrasound machine which dermatologists use. So Im hoping long term use of the this home ultrasound device will have that effect. I want to start preparing for anti ageing. |
_________________ 23yr old Asian with combination skin prone to clogged pores. hyperpigmentation from pimples. uneven skintone, scars |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:00 am |
I read this on another forum and was wanting to know if the 302 Drops and other products should be applied the following way?
I have always "rubbed" in circular motion.....Do you guys think the following is true, as far as better penetration?
Use short, firm strokes to apply skin care products (it is best to use the middle finger). Do not stretch the skin. Do not rub. After applying, gently tap the area with your fingers for half a minute. |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:48 pm |
I had to have a mini 302 break, had some flaky skin on my nose and chin but it's better now. So I'm back on my routine but I'm reading everything here and taking mental notes. This morning I washed my face with just water and then used Hazelnut oil, which I love.
Don't think I need the ultrasound since 302 sinks into my skin well, so I'm thankful for that. Although I am thinking of getting a light unit just as long it's not overly costly, something like Baby Quasar or a ProLight. Figured it'll be my Christmas present and this gives me a few months to read more of the forum. |
_________________ ReAura/Tria Face & Eye, Baby Quasar MD Plus, Derminator (age 4 |
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Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:05 pm |
Good Evening everyone.....
Just wanted to share a tid-bit of info.
I was thinking about getting the A Boost for my face, as I assumed that would help more with my scarring and so on.....but I was actually recommended to use the C Boost instead.....
Do you guys know why it would be better, per say, to use the C Boost instead of the A Boost, for texture and shallow scars?
Also, I was told that the Normal/Dry Cleanser would help the texture of my skin & to ALTERNATE between the C Boost and the 302 Drops....To basically use the 302 Drops until empty and then introduce the C Boost (droping the 302 Drops completely) & then "re-introducing" the 302 Drops or Hi Potency Drops when the C Boost is empty.
Very interesting, I thought......What do you guys think about it?
ETA: Also wanted to add that I was told to start the Acne Serum (not for active acne), but to help the "looks" of my skin.....This is to be used after the "break-in" period....(Which I am assuming the break-in period will be around 4-6 weeks(??????)) |
_________________ Dry - Combo Skin - added Retin A to my pm skincare regime on March 20, 2015---I have used Rosehip and coconut oil-daily-for over a year and this significally reduced my scarring and evened my skin tone |
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