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Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:56 am  |
Hi All,
Just read something interesting from Leslie Baumann in prevention magazine on the use of vitamin B3 (niacinamide)
"To reduce irritation from your retinoid, use it in conjunction with niacinamide. Mix them together in the palm of your hand before applying-they won't inactivate each other, besides decreasing side effects, the combo produces superior anti-aging benefits" 
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:56 am |
This info is great; thx!
I have to buy some niacinamide as I have got skin irritation when using Taz. |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:50 am |
| That sounds great! Where do you get a topical niacinamide? Just did a google search with no results for liquid pure niacinamide. |
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:38 pm |
| how much niacinamide to mix in the palm of your hand though? |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:05 am |
| madeline wrote: |
| That sounds great! Where do you get a topical niacinamide? Just did a google search with no results for liquid pure niacinamide. |
You may purchase it at SkinActives. |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:48 am |
You can buy niacinamide from the herbarie, lotion crafter, bulkactives, skinactives and ingredients to die for.
As far as how much to use? your guess is as good as mine, the article I read didn't elaborate. 
I suppose you could make a niacinamide serum and use it after you apply your retina, not sure though if that would be just as effective  |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:58 am |
| Hmmm I have powder B3 in capsule form to take as a supplement. I wonder if I could mix that with the gel my derm proscribed me? |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:43 pm |
So Nia24, which contains vitamin B3 complex is good to use with retinoids?
How about taking vitamin B3 supplements? Will that be helpful? |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:06 pm |
CPs (copper peptides) can also help w/ irritation from retinoids. They sure did for me. You can get CPs from Skin Biology.
That's great to know that niacinamide will also help.
carmina - I don't think taking the topical form of B3 will do any good. |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:08 pm |
| This is so interesting, I'm going to give it a try, even though I don't have much irritation any more. |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:05 am |
I think Leslie Baumann has a website, I will see if I can find more information on this subject
Lin |
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:13 am |
| What do you gals think if I mix it with distilled water (solution is 3%) and spray it on my face? |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:05 am |
| summer2004 wrote: |
| What do you gals think if I mix it with distilled water (solution is 3%) and spray it on my face? |
Thats a good idea. Any DIYers can help out here and how much do you mix? |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:23 am |
Here's my recipe for a Glucosamine and Niacinamide serum - they're best used together apparently.
G & N Serum 1oz
½ tsp. Glucosamine (5%)
¼ tsp. Niacinamide (2.5%)
5 tsp. Distilled water
1 tsp. Glycerin
I always apply this before Retin-A - maybe that's why I've never experienced any irritation. |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:44 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
Here's my recipe for a Glucosamine and Niacinamide serum - they're best used together apparently.
G & N Serum 1oz
½ tsp. Glucosamine (5%)
¼ tsp. Niacinamide (2.5%)
5 tsp. Distilled water
1 tsp. Glycerin
I always apply this before Retin-A - maybe that's why I've never experienced any irritation. |
Keliu,
Thx for your recipe!
I have stopped using Taz for 2 weeks after my face felt like burning, even I put hydrosol on it.
With your recipe, I'll resume my journey soon. |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:21 am |
Hi Keliu
Thanks for the info, I never thought about putting it on before the retina.
Regarding your recipe, is it necessary to add the glycerin? Do you think I can just add the G & N to distilled water? or is there something I can use in place of the glycerin? Also, I read that niacinamide has to stay within the 5.0-7.0 ph range otherwise it turns to nicotinic acid, have you heard of this?
Thanks for your input 
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:09 am |
Hi Keliu,
Where did you purchase Glucosamine? |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:57 am |
^^ Bulkactives has it at a reasonable price.
Thanks Keliu for that simple recipe. I'm going to try it tonight. I just started on Retin A and my face is sooooo dry and stinging!
I put EVOO to combat the dryness. Is that okay? Or should I just stick with Keliu's recipe and no oils? |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:14 pm |
| LAT wrote: |
Regarding your recipe, is it necessary to add the glycerin? Do you think I can just add the G & N to distilled water? or is there something I can use in place of the glycerin? Also, I read that niacinamide has to stay within the 5.0-7.0 ph range otherwise it turns to nicotinic acid, have you heard of this?
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I just add the glycerin to give it a little slip. I think Propylene Glycol is a substitute for Glycerin - but if you don't want to use that just leave it out. You could also add Hyaluronic Acid.
I haven't read about the ph factor - and, in truth, have never tested the ph of my serum. I guess we'll all have to run out and get some litmus paper. |
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Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:17 pm |
| funkydory wrote: |
^^ Bulkactives has it at a reasonable price.
Thanks Keliu for that simple recipe. I'm going to try it tonight. I just started on Retin A and my face is sooooo dry and stinging!
I put EVOO to combat the dryness. Is that okay? Or should I just stick with Keliu's recipe and no oils? |
Yes, I buy mine from Bulkactives too. I'm a huge fan of all facial oils and use a variety - it's fine to apply them over Retin-A. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:17 am |
Hi Keliu,
Do you put moisturizer or oil over Retin-A? If so, what is it? |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:00 am |
| summer2004 wrote: |
Hi Keliu,
Do you put moisturizer or oil over Retin-A? If so, what is it? |
After applying Retin-A I wait 30 mins then apply a little Emu Oil. I stopped using moisturiser creams ages ago because I find they clog my skin, I seem to do much better with oils. But that's just me. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:09 am |
found this information from the herbarie:
"To avoid the hydrolysis of Niacinamide to nicotinic acid, we recommend the pH of the finished formulation be in the range of 5.0 to 7.0. The hydrolysis of Niacinamide to nicotinic acid can result in skin flushing, redness and burning. Please note that Niacinamide added to pure distilled water will have the desired pH of 6.0-7.0."
So I guess if you just add distilled water the ph should be fine, the question is do other actives added to the niacinamide change the ph?
ph seems to be an important factor in everything thats put on our skin. I assume if the ph isn't correct the product doesn't work. I wonder if this is true for everything or just a few actives? I just wish I knew more about this subject. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:44 am |
Keliu, thx for sharing your secret with us.
LAT, I will order the actives from Bulk Actives & ysue pH indicator strip to run a pH test to see what the value is. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:54 am |
| I've also found that emu oil or avocado oil reduces irritation. Like other posters, I apply Retin-A, then wait 5 to 30 minutes (depending on how close it is to bedtime) and apply the oil over top. I've found that emu or avocado oil makes my skin look and feel much better than using moisturizer at night. |
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