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Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:10 am      Reply with quote
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to ask if anyone has experienced the jitters and anxiety when taking MSM. Could it just be part of the detox period ? Before re-starting this supplement I was experiencing fatigue and anxiety, and now it seems to have worsened slightly. I have been taking really small amounts for almost 2 weeks now and just wondered if it is worth sticking with ?

many many thanks

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Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:08 am      Reply with quote
Hi Jackie

It is well worth keeping up with MSM, and it may just be the detox process.

Here is an MSM thread that might help you that has a lot of detail in it.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=20364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:20 am      Reply with quote
Make sure to take it with food and drink plenty of water. I have not experienced anxiety as a side effect. But it can upset the tummy and bowels if taken in too large a dose, too soon.
Gradually increasing amount is important. You could always have someone muscle test you (kinesiology) to see if it is a good supplement for you. Wink

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Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:26 am      Reply with quote
thanks for your replies guys,

I didn't know to take it with food, I usually take it first thing in the morning so as to not keep me awake at night. I'm a bit concerned about the anxiety, because it is causing a low mood which I'm not sure I can tolerate for much longer. Also, my sleep pattern is quite disrupted, even though I am taking only a tiny amount. I really don't know what to do about this,

thanks again

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Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:15 pm      Reply with quote
Jackie, you have the same symptoms I did when first starting! I cannot take it at night, or else it keeps me up. Too much of it causes me anxiety/jitters, upset stomach, constipation, and disrupted sleep patterns. The right amount gives me glowing skin, healthy hair and nails, and energy.

You said you are only taking a tiny amount. How much? I started with 1/4 tsp daily for two weeks. Then every two weeks, I bumped up 1/4 tsp until I hit 1 tsp. I cannot go beyond that without having side effects, so that's where I've stayed for several years now.

I totally agree with mountaingirl's recs to take with food, and drink lots of water THROUGHOUT THE DAY. I also agree with her suggestion on muscle testing...it could be that it's just not an appropriate supplement for you.

I find that Biosil from iherb.com is also very effective for hair, skin and nails, so you could try that if MSM doesn't work out for you.

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Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:48 am      Reply with quote
Hi nadjazz,

thanks for your reply, that's really encouraging. I am taking about a 1/4 teaspoon a day, but was thinking I had to work up to much more than this to see any benefits. The thought of increasing it was quite worrying due to the symptoms I was experiencing on such a small amount. I took MSM capsules for a few years before starting on the powder and although they didn't bother me, I didn't really see any benefits either. Do you think it might help if I switch to taking it every other day ?

many thanks

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Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:11 am      Reply with quote
Jackie284 wrote:
Hi nadjazz,

thanks for your reply, that's really encouraging. I am taking about a 1/4 teaspoon a day, but was thinking I had to work up to much more than this to see any benefits. The thought of increasing it was quite worrying due to the symptoms I was experiencing on such a small amount. I took MSM capsules for a few years before starting on the powder and although they didn't bother me, I didn't really see any benefits either. Do you think it might help if I switch to taking it every other day ?

many thanks

Jackie xx


I think capsules vs powder is just a personal preference. I hate gel caps in general, so I prefer powder.

What's more important is the QUALITY of the MSM, which makes me wonder about your capsules. Lifecoach has pointed you to the thread where Tangal posts some great info and additional links to help you through detox. You should review that. You don't have to read the whole thing, but I think you'll find value in the first few pages. Regarding quality, Tangal recommends that you look for the 'OptiMSM' or 'Lignisul MSM' logos on whatever product you take, to ensure purity.

Rather than take it every other day, I'm wondering if you need to back down to 1/8 tsp a day. Also, as lifecoach suggested, this could be detox symptoms, so look at your lifestyle.

I know some people add their MSM to their morning coffee (blech), but in my case I had to QUIT coffee in order to take MSM even at small dosages...the combination made me waaay too jittery! I can drink coffee now, but still cannot tolerate alcohol (especially wine) to this day.

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Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:13 am      Reply with quote
Hi nadjazz,

well I do drink alot of coffee which probably isn't helping, although I can sleep, it is just not good quality sleep. How long did you have to give up coffee for ? I don't think I could live without it - lol lol.

I also noticed last weekend that my hangover was quite bad even thought I really didn't drink alot, and even on the second day I had a terrible headache. Do you not drink alcohol at all in order to take MSM ?

thanks again

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If you drink alot of coffee, you may be dehydrated, and you really need to up your water intake when taking MSM. I gave up coffee for several months, and now it's easy to avoid drinking it everyday. Now, I limit myself to one cup on Sat and Sun. Mon-Fri, I have a green smoothie for breakfast, with MSM powder mixed in.

As far as the alcohol goes, I've given up red wine altogether, because it's just not worth it. White wine, occasionally. The interesting thing is the hard liquor like vodka, rum, etc hits me real fast, but does not cause hangover or headaches like the wine does. I never had these problems before I started taking MSM, so I guess it's the detox thing. Again, lots of water helps. To answer your question, I would not say I've quit drinking altogether. It's just tapered off significantly, since I weigh the pros/cons before I indulge.

So, yeah, I guess taking MSM does require lifestyle modification. If it's going to detox you, then you need to stop adding the toxins back in, I guess. Also, everybody's reaction/tolerance is individualized, so I guess you need to weigh whether it's worth it to you. Not everyone goes through this.

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Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:23 am      Reply with quote
Hi Jackie -

When I switched from capsules to the Pure Optimsm powder - I had the worst anxiety! I could not get myself calm and felt awful. I am prone to generalized anxiety attacks,and the MSM must magnified that yucky sort of out of control feeling. I was taking MSM in the hopes it would help with melasma clearing - but to me, the anxious side effect was not worth it, so I discontinued taking. I agree with the other posters that it's probably your body detoxing and that if you cut back and really work your way up, (taking lots and lots of water to avoid the headaches) maybe you'll see an improvement.

As for me, I just stopped taking it as even when I was taking the capsules I didn't see that much of a change in my skin.

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I stopped taking it also because of the headaches and the feeling that my blood pressure was going sky high. I never realized why I was feeling so awful all of the time and decided to quit taking some of my supplements. I narrowed it down to the MSM. I might try to add a little at a time, but if those symptoms come back I am going to discontinue it for good.
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:22 am      Reply with quote
Hi girls,

thanks for all your helpful replies. I haven't taken any MSM today because the anxiety and pounding heart was becoming a bit too much. How can something so seemingly wonderful bring such horrible effects ? I can tolerate the headaches and upset stomach, but the anxiety is awful and won't seem to subside,

Jackie xx
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:35 am      Reply with quote
I don't think any detox program is wonderful. My opinion is the body does a good job detoxifying already. There is no need to add more chemicals to the body.
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:11 pm      Reply with quote
Agreed, Susie...unless you have a serious problem with your liver or something similar, our bodies detox just fine.

If I were having problems with headaches and anxiety related to taking MSM that could not be easily resolved, I would stop taking it.

You know, Jackie, one thing not discussed in this thread is specifically "why" you are taking MSM. It's not "wonderful" if it's making you feel so awful. If you are seeking a certain health benefit from MSM, perhaps there is an alternative supplement you could take?

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Hi nadjazz,

I'm mainly taking it for skin benefits as my skin looks awful at the moment. It also helps with my eyes, as they're nearly always red and irritated, even though I've tried everything for allergies. I feel I may have to stop taking it as my heart races and I feel quite jittery. I would persevere if I thought this would pass,

thanks

Jackie xx
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:18 am      Reply with quote
nadjazz wrote:
Agreed, Susie...unless you have a serious problem with your liver or something similar, our bodies detox just fine.


That's certainly what most doctors say when asked about detox regimens and master cleanses--you may be doing more harm than good, particularly because the body is designed to eliminate toxins. That always springs to my mind when I read about skin irritation with new products, whether it's OCM or those 302 products or Retin-A. We're often told that it's simply detox or a beneficial "purge," but how does anyone know that it's not simply a bad reaction?

I thought about trying MSM after reading a lot of praise for it on this board, but I'm a little wary of it now. It seems to have a lot of side effects, even for those who swear by it (I read the big MSM thread), and I'm not convinced that they're the results of the detox process.

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Hi ladies,
I know I am a bit late on this topic. I also think that the msm is causing sever anxiety for me. I started taking it about 6 weeks ago. I am taking it for the hair shedding reasons. I thought I was loosing my hair because it seemed like there was less there. Well, my hair dresser had layered the heck out of my hair and therefore on my naturally curly hair, my ends looked straggily. I typically shed a lot I think because I do wear a lot of he'll and hair spray in my hair so detangling it a lot comes out. Well since starting msm I have become obsessive thinking I should not be loosing any hair or very little. Last night I deep conditioned my hair and about 35 hairs came out. Then throughout the night because I kept feeling my hair I lost another15 or so. To sit here and read what I am writting I feel like I'm loosing my mind.I'm always worried about my hair and driving my husband crazy with the constant worry too! Sooo did any one else start msm for the hair shed reason and feel like this? Or AM I loosing my mind?

Also, is there something else I could use for my shedding? I've heard garlic works but not sure? Thanks for any imput!
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I live with full blown Panic Disorder for 20 years now. I take MSM but I researched anxiety disorders till I am blue in the face, a few things that help are getting plenty of Calcium Vitamin D Phosphorus and Magnesium. You need them all for the body to absorb the Calcium. A lack of Magnesium can contribute to all forms of anxiety. Make sure your Calcium is from a high quality source! I cut myself to one large mug of coffee a day and I mix 1/2 regular 1/2 decaf. It takes time to get used to it. Water is crucial, I don't go anywhere without it.
All that said if those of you experiencing JITTERS don't see an improvement then I agree that if it is making you feel that bad maybe it is not for you. Nothing works well for every person.

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Hi there,

I had to stop taking it as the anxiety and racing heart became unbearable, it also made my night time tooth grinding worse. I went back to the capsules (even though i felt they didn't do much), but the water retention from these is terrible, it became way too uncomfortable. I took the capsules for several years and often wondered where all the weight came from. It was only when I stopped taking the caps after narrowing it down, I couldn't believe the difference. I realise a side effect is water retention, but with these caps, it just won't budge. Therefore, I have concluded that MSM just doesn't suit me, it causes me more problems than benefits,

Jackie xx
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My only suggestion for the water retention are cranberry juice, lemonade, asparagus. All are natural diuretics I personally don't like cranberry juice and I love fruit and veggies so I buy the gel caps that also contain Vitamin C (also makes you go).
The teeth grinding is an issue I know they sell something you sleep with but can't remember the name.
It does seem like MSM might be more trouble than it is worth for some!

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mustang -
One of our forum members (bethany) recommended Viviscal for hair shedding. You can find it at iherb.com.

Jackie -
On the DIY forum, Toby recommends flaxseed oil for dry eyes, and some other members recommend fish oil.

Darkmoon -
my dr agrees with you on all your vitamin recs! It certainly has made a difference for me, especially the calcium/magnesium.

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Nadjaz,
I know I really feel a difference without all four I mentioned, I also take a ton of supplements for health period. When studying about Vitamins I read from a few sources that the Vitamin D and phosphorus work in conjunction to aid in absorption of calcium really hard to find a calcium that our bodies can absorb. From what I've read Coral Calcium seems to be the most absorbable. Your doc is one of the better ones, I have a friend who is a doctor and he told me med students are not required to take a single course on nutrition much less supplements! If you find one who knows anything on the subject, they took the time to educate themselves and deserve a big thumbs up!!

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The safest calcium to take is calcium bound to citrate, such as fumarate, malate, succinate, aspartate.
Avoid calcium derived from oyster (carbonate), shell or bone meal.
This advise was from Dr. Oz on Oprah, I think or it might be Dr. Weill. I wrote it all down as he was speaking.
I take Citracal. It's a citrate, highly absorbable and has Vit. D in it.
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Coral calcium isn't from Oyster shells or Bone Meal it comes from Coral. You still need Magnesium and Phosphorus to absorb any form of Calcium plus Vitamin D.

From years of reading and research on supplements and vitamins.

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I have read (like others have) that MSM helps with chronic constipation. After 3 years of illness, learning I had Diverticulosis and that I am gluten intolerant I am starting to regulate my body again. I am still dependant on Cascara Segrada...and that's not cool.
I read that MSM soothes mucous membranes and regulates perstalsis, so I'm trying it. I am taking a tiny amount, about 1/4 tsp in the morning. This morning when I took it I noticed my Pre menstral cramping stopped and having problems with anxiety, noticed that too was greatly reduced..where as by this time most mornings I am bug eyes with anxiety. The reduction of my anxiety symptoms made me rush to the computer wondering "is it the MSM?" I can't tell you now, as some people have had an increase in anxiety since supplementing with MSM.
I guess it goes to show everyone reacts differently to any given supplement. There are many who swear by Biotin...but that stuff bunged me up so bad Confused ...what a waste of money lol!
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