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Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:04 pm  |
Talyta,
I agree that facial exercises are the most important part in anti-ageing battle. I just think that the lympho-draining massage is a nice addition to that and is complementary to the exercise program.
I do not see why some have the impression that it is either one or the other.
BTW - I also think that Deb looks great, I just wish I can see her in person. I had seen up close and personal Pratima Raichur, who had a flawless skin at 60+ and did daily exercises and massages, and who, even though from India, had a very dry skin prone to ageing faster.
Just my 2 cents... |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:16 pm |
Critic, regarding the Bone Face Exercises...
I just realized that these links that you posted regarding before and after photos of the bone exercises included pictures/explanations of the bone exercises themselves....this is very exciting for me...
are all the exercises in the book and dvd on these pages..or are there more demonstrated in the book/dvd?
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Here are the relevant links from Critics post if anyone is interested:
Bone facial massage (before/after photo):
http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/default.htm
How to do bone facial massage:
http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/1.htm
Techniques:
http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/2.htm
How to change the shape of your face:
http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/3.htm |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:06 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
I would like to know what people managed to achieve by doing it during the prolonged period of time. The pictures of teenagers really do not instill any confidence. That is why I was repeatedly asking Critic for that information - not to critique, but to learn.
HTH |
Hello! The before/after photos in the book, they are not teenagers! As mentioned in the book, the model is 30+ (the one who is doing the demo, I guess she is 35) and the reader is 40. |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:10 pm |
jasminerosey, yes you are right, all the exercise and information from the above links are covered in the bone facial exercise book & DVD, the price is Yen 1500 + tax in Tokyo book store and Amazon Japan.
Maybe you can wait? Let me try and see if it really works? |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:16 pm |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Critic does she just leave the cream on or do any massage to the hands direct - she does have beautiful ageless hands - there has to be something in it for sure. I will try that out tonight, but curious if she does anything else to the hands particularly or arms?
Theresa
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In Tanaka's body massage book, she said she never exercise but she plays Kendo. She visits "bone fixing doctor" on regular basis (the same method that I have mentioned about Korean pelvis fixing) She said, bone fixing is very useful for overall regeneration her body and health.
In another chapter, she said she puts a thick layer of handcream before bedtime each night. The layer is as thick as gloves, and she guarantee you will see amazing result in the next morning. |
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In her body massage book, there is a part for hand massage but anyone can do it, it is very simple, just rub your fingers. Then, she said she just leave the thick hand cream on her hands and go to bed.
I read the book again last night, she goes to bone fixing doctor every 3 months, she found her body and skin have changed a lot after doing it on regularly basis.
If anyone is interested in bone fixing for body, please go back to my previous discussion, I have posted a link of a book written by a Korean doctor, there are tons of photos in the book re how to fix the bone yourself. |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:19 pm |
| moonstone wrote: |
| critic wrote: |
In Tanaka's body massage book, she said she never exercise but she plays Kendo. She visits "bone fixing doctor" on regular basis (the same method that I have mentioned about Korean pelvis fixing) She said, bone fixing is very useful for overall regeneration her body and health.
In another chapter, she said she puts a thick layer of handcream before bedtime each night. The layer is as thick as gloves, and she guarantee you will see amazing result in the next morning. |
Thanks for the tips for the hand. I will try it with my jurlique hand cream tonight and see what will happen!
Btw, it seems like pelvis/bone fixing practitioners are really popular in japan, korea and even taiwan. I just wonder if they offer this kinda treatment here in hk or china... |
moonstone, here is a doctor in Nanjing:
http://www.xici.net/u12812221/d92762237.htm
I just search it from internet, not sure if he is good or not.
Here is his official site:
http://www.xszhenggu.com/index/index.asp
Here is the price list, I want to try if he is in Shanghai:
http://www.xici.net/b965729/d77722155.htm |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:37 am |
| Critic wrote: |
| "Maybe you can wait? Let me try and see if it really works? |
Thanks so much, Critic, for this suggestion and the detailed research, information and support you've given to us on this thread. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:04 am |
I haven't been able to translate the text - have you? It looks impressive!
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:04 am |
critic, thanks for the link! The package price for the bone-fixing doctor in Nanjing is really cheap! Too bad I'm not living within proximity.
BTW, did you start doing Tanaka's body massage as well? Yesterday I tried it for the first time and felt that it firmed up my bottom a bit... Hope it's not my imagination.  |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:01 pm |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
Critic said about the bone facial exercises:
"Maybe you can wait? Let me try and see if it really works?
Thanks so much, Critic, for this suggestion and the detailed research, information and support you've given to us on this thread. |
Want to add my thanks here too, critic this thread is so interesting! Made me join EDS as I wanted to let you know how much I appreciated you posting about this. I really want to get this bone book, but am wondering how to know about the length of time to do the exercises and also the frequency? I'm guessing the info is all in korean! Will be very interested to hear about your results.
Hawthorn. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:24 pm |
| moonstone wrote: |
critic, thanks for the link! The package price for the bone-fixing doctor in Nanjing is really cheap! Too bad I'm not living within proximity.
BTW, did you start doing Tanaka's body massage as well? Yesterday I tried it for the first time and felt that it firmed up my bottom a bit... Hope it's not my imagination. |
I have tried for 2 days, don't see any difference! Except, I feel my legs are slightly slimmer but maybe that is also my imagination. However, she promised in her book that you will see quick result just like the face massage. Do you have her book? It is actually not easy to follow just by viewing the video, many tips in each step in the book.
Are you still doing Ageless? Loulou looks fabulous in her after picture.
As you are Asian, we perhaps will have the similar 'taste' on how people look like. e.g. someone said the before/after girls are teenagers, by in my eyes, they are 35-40, but in very good shape 35-40.
And, people are saying Dr. Obagi looks 40+, but in my eyes he is 55+.
http://www.zoskinhealth.com/view/testimonials/test-c.html
I am now living in Shanghai, and people here looks 10+ years older than their actual age. I studied carefully on what they eat & drink(just like that they did to me) and here is my conclusion:
1. They don't drink water. The restaurant is usually charging the same price for water or soft drink or juice, and they will never order water.
2. The tap water is undrinkable here, the taste is very bad. You have to buy distill water/mineral water, when they are comparing the price - they will prefer to drink with taste and avoid drinking water.
3. The fish and meat in local market is not fresh enough (no fridge), they have to cook with lots of sugar and soya sauce to cover the 'unfresh' taste or they deep-fried. They do the same for home-cooking. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:28 pm |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
| I haven't been able to translate the text - have you? It looks impressive! |
Here is some translation directly from babel fish, I hope you can understand:
First, we would like you to compare by sight the face type mask of the photograph. Usual 18 course end time, most person sort of viewing size down! Bringing this result, was born from the hand skill of the Korean departure, “bone air medical therapy” is. As for the latest popularity communication, the hand skill of this secret of the extent large popularity where “the HOW TO” book establishes Amazon continual №1 record thoroughness dissection!
It is the founder of the Japanese bone air association, it goes back the encounter with Mr. forest happiness Chishiro of the small face teacher and the “bone air” 4 years ago. At the Korean area where Hayasi teacher who has flown about at the time of a certain has visited the world with private as a clean COM representation from that time, “bone air method” is introduced to the acquaintance. In any case in order to be led to the word that “in 20 minutes it becomes the small face”, as for the hand skill which you experienced “it was same effective characteristic and the effect which exceed the imagination”, so. From that day, traveling of the bone air acquisition of Hayasi teacher starts. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:30 pm |
“Courage and decision” Hayasi teacher of belief. That into that day which receives healing, you take the contact in X person of the bone air method founder, want making the bone air learn it continued to convey enthusiasm. But, at that time as for the acquisition person of the bone air it was not many and was not that much known. Every nighttime of weekend, persisting the night, study with Korean which is done. Although impossibility such as acceptance of the foreigner you being refused, as for the Hayasi like every week visiting Korea, it persuades the teacher. The teacher is outwaited after all in this enthusiasm. Hayasi teacher who moved the house to Korea, after the intensive training of every day every night, finally became the worldwide first foreign bone air method acquisition person.
One person whom also such a Hayasi teacher, at one time seeking feeling good quality, commutes to numerous high-class [esute] with worldwide each country and stuffs. But it encounters the bone air, “not only the feeling calling simply from this and there is no change if discernibly the person probably will be does not agree upon”, that you thought, so. “As for bone air in the first place private medical therapy. Because also the stagnation of the blood style is unraveled by the fact that moderate load is applied on the bone, you can expect, the various effects such as Cori's cancellation and rejuvenation. From something, as for making the blood the marrow. In other words, it is moderate healing to the bone to be ultimate healthy method and to be beauty care method”, (Hayasi teacher). With the electromagnetic wave and the like of the portable telephone, the doctor who advocates the theory the face, it is. Not only the small face, as for the bone air medical therapy which also the distortion cures, such a today call necessary therapy for very the person it may. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:32 pm |
The techniques:
“As for the bone air, being different from massage and [esute], it is important to apply the bone and the bone,” that Hayasi teacher. Originally, as for bone air medical therapy, relaxing the bone and the muscle simultaneously, making blood circulation smooth is the object. Pulling out body original function and function with that, but it maintains health is, when it is exercising by receiving bone air healing because similar load falls on the bone, you say that renewal rises. Depending, “the bear under the being somber and the eye of the face, in addition fearfully also the beam and the rejuvenation effect of the skin are obtained,”. Correcting the distortion of the bone, you become younger, the bone = body itself become younger. This ultimate beauty care method!
In beginning, " where the bone and the bone hit; Feel " You will remember with the skin. If the bone and the bone hit securely, the expectation which feels light pain by the power where the bone jostles. In the point which becomes the power which moves the bone where this slips pulls out the bone air original effect.
This is a wrong position : In this case, as for the bone and the bone not hitting is " Feel " So it probably will be understood? You call this, if it becomes, the bone just is pushed with the meat. Like the OK photograph, you probably will verify that it is not the hard kind of feel the bone to strike. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:34 pm |
How to shape: http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/3_1.htm
In beginning, adjusting to the curve of the lower side of the cheekbone, it applies the wrist bone bone. When the bone and the bone of the hand and the cheek the [pi] are the [tsu] verify the feel which hits, both elbows to be attached that way on the table and the like, lightly in leaning forward attitude. In order to deposit weight to the wrist bone bone here, while applying pressure, being conscious of the fact that it can push up the cheekbone at once to on, keeping 10 seconds.
CORRECT : If only you pushed the wrist bone bone simply in the cheekbone and applied, those where power is difficult to enter very. After locking the elbow in the surface of the table and the like, by the fact that it places weight, it does not let escape either power, raises also the wrist bone bone and degree of adhesion of the cheekbone. To be efficient the lifting is possible.
WRONG : Unless the wrist bone bone is adhesive to the cheekbone securely, when adding pressure, be able to push up the skin, in such a wind under the eye the wrinkle…. When becoming this state, the failure. Once more it does again to apply the wrist bone bone, verifying the feel where the bone and the bone hit, it retries! |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:35 pm |
How to shape 2: http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/3_2.htm
In beginning verifying the [era] bone which it has pushed out at once to side concerning the attaching root of the jaw. In order here, for the wrist bone bone to fit securely, when you push and apply, directing that way from both sides to inside, way at once you push in the [era] bone, strongly 10 second push.
CORRECT : With this hand skill which applies pressure from both sides of the face, the hand is raised and to the cartridge those where power is difficult to enter. Both elbows being attached, in order for the wrist bone bone not to move, after preparing, directing the [era] bone to the center of the face, in order to push in at once, applying pressure is secret.
WRONG : When the position where it should push has slipped, this way expression just is warped at once as for the effect zero. In order to outside for the wrist bone bone not to float from the bone of [era] which is projected, position will be corrected. If the bone and the bone hit securely, the expectation which is not the times when expression is warped. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:03 pm |
How to shape 3 : http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/3_3.htm
(I guess this technique is to change the face of your face to oval)
When the part of the bee has stretched, in order for the head to be visible largely, when the forum of the face there is a width in the side, to be large those which are visible. Then, here to side the cheekbone which is projected CARE. Because you can lighten also the [gotsugotsu] impression of the cheek which starts being conspicuous yearly, even in the woman after 30 generations!
The cheek touching to beginning by the hand, checking the position of the cheekbone and the projection of the side. When the wrist bone bone is applied to the bone which is the place where the cheekbone is traced to the side, under the temple projects, in order to insert the face from both sides, while pushing with a jerk, 10 second standstill.
Important points: Same as the [era] bone Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers, Europe time, efficiently from the side to apply pressure on the bone, it is important to make the elbow lock. The elbow being attached, while being conscious of the fact that the wrist bone bone and the cheekbone hit securely, directing to the center of the face, applying pressure on the wrist bone bone with a jerk.
NO NO NO : When it pushes the cheekbone when the wrist bone bone has not considered as securely, the wrist bone bone doing to slide, on the wrinkle just approaches to the skin. In addition when power has entered into just the little finger side of the wrist bone bone, in such feeling. Straight uniformly, pushing in the cheekbone from immediate side. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:06 pm |
Eye brow: http://beautystyle.jp.msn.com/beauty/feature/0906korgi/3_4.htm
It turns 1 eyes and largely the paragraph wants! If the woman if such part design which everyone asks, the bone air possibility. With age by the fact that the eyebrow bone which goes down is raised, carving becomes deep, the pupil the [pa] [tsu] dust. It can cancel also the swelling and the solid seeing of the eyelid. The human exclusive use where as for this hand skill, the nail is short by the way. After removing also [dekoneiru] and the like, challenge.
Those where this hand skill, paralleling to the lower side of the eyebrow bone, makes the thumb slide. It becomes the starting point in beginning, verifying the lower side of the eyebrow bone of the eyebrow head. Applying the bone of the point of the thumb to here, both elbows it is attached, weight of the head is in the bone of the fingertip and applies on the [tsu] coming. While being conscious of the fact that it can push up the eyebrow bone at once, paralleling to the lower side of the eyebrow bone, to the eyebrow rear end, 5 seconds spending, making the fingertip slide.
As for eye origin delicate part. In order for note power not to become diffuse, each the one eye CARE trying doing. In order the [gu] to wash away the egesta which accumulate under the eyebrow bone at once, in the stroke which will be been slow.
As for checkpoint from side one. Whether or not the bone of the point of the thumb, with perpendicularly close angle hits under the eyebrow bone. When the stomach of the thumb hits, the bone hits when with, the expectation where feel is different. By all means way the bone hits, angular adjustment. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:26 am |
| I re-read the translation that I have posted, I actually don't really understand, it does not make sense, right? perhaps just 10% is understandable, I will see if I can do a better translate during this weekend based on the book that I have bought from Tokyo. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:33 am |
| hawthorn wrote: |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
Critic said about the bone facial exercises:
"Maybe you can wait? Let me try and see if it really works?
Thanks so much, Critic, for this suggestion and the detailed research, information and support you've given to us on this thread. |
Want to add my thanks here too, critic this thread is so interesting! Made me join EDS as I wanted to let you know how much I appreciated you posting about this. I really want to get this bone book, but am wondering how to know about the length of time to do the exercises and also the frequency? I'm guessing the info is all in korean! Will be very interested to hear about your results.
Hawthorn. |
Welcome Hawthorn, great to see you here at EDS. Critic is really very generous to share with us different methods to shape up our faces and bodies. (The best part is that you can learn some of them for free!) And I'm sure you will have lots of fun checking out different techniques to further enhance your beautiful face!!!
moonstone |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:17 am |
| critic wrote: |
| I re-read the translation that I have posted, I actually don't really understand, it does not make sense, right? perhaps just 10% is understandable, I will see if I can do a better translate during this weekend based on the book that I have bought from Tokyo. |
Yep. You said it! Makes no sense at all! 
It is very generous of you to do a bit of a translation when you can. 
For those of you doing the Tanaka face massage, do you feel like you're doing just fine by following along? (Thanks for the Russian link Sigma - I love this international effort!)
I'm still trying to work out whether it is worth getting the DVD and book from Amazon - even though I don't understand Japanese. Critic, or anyone else, are there pictures in the book that are very important?
Geez, seeing as it's been a best seller I wonder how long it is going to take them to put out an English edition? |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:47 am |
| critic wrote: |
I have tried for 2 days, don't see any difference! Except, I feel my legs are slightly slimmer but maybe that is also my imagination. However, she promised in her book that you will see quick result just like the face massage. Do you have her book? It is actually not easy to follow just by viewing the video, many tips in each step in the book.
Are you still doing Ageless? Loulou looks fabulous in her after picture.
As you are Asian, we perhaps will have the similar 'taste' on how people look like. e.g. someone said the before/after girls are teenagers, by in my eyes, they are 35-40, but in very good shape 35-40.
And, people are saying Dr. Obagi looks 40+, but in my eyes he is 55+.
http://www.zoskinhealth.com/view/testimonials/test-c.html
I am now living in Shanghai, and people here looks 10+ years older than their actual age. I studied carefully on what they eat & drink(just like that they did to me) and here is my conclusion:
1. They don't drink water. The restaurant is usually charging the same price for water or soft drink or juice, and they will never order water.
2. The tap water is undrinkable here, the taste is very bad. You have to buy distill water/mineral water, when they are comparing the price - they will prefer to drink with taste and avoid drinking water.
3. The fish and meat in local market is not fresh enough (no fridge), they have to cook with lots of sugar and soya sauce to cover the 'unfresh' taste or they deep-fried. They do the same for home-cooking. |
Wow critic, thank you so much for spending the time and effort to do the translation for us.
I guess I need to order the book for Tanaka's body massage in order to do the program in a correct manner. I'm actually planning to do
Callanetic along with the body massage to see if the combination will have a better result for my body shape!
It's interesting to learn that you notice that people in Shanghai actually look older than their age, as I thought gals in Shanghai usually have great skin and complexion when they are young. Their diet without an adequate amount of water probably is one of the main culprit!
Yes, I've been doing Ageless for quite a while. It's a great program that helps a lot to lift up my face and works very wells for my eyes and upper cheeks. But a couple of months ago, my lower face became rather slim and gaunt after doing Ageless intensive bootcamp. Recently I've started a new program called Faceworks as the before/after photos of that program look quite believable to me. http://www.faceworks.co.uk/before_and_after.htm
(I notice that a couple of the model's faces actually become rounder in a more feminine way ) My lower face does become fuller after doing the program for only a few weeks. I guess I will give a full review after doing Faceworks for 2 months or so.
Yes, I'm sure the models from Tanaka's book are in their mid or late 30's, rather than teenagers! But Tanaka does look unbelievably young for the age of 60+, I thought she's in her 40+ when I first saw the DVD. It's really rare to find Asians who look as good as Tanaka in their 60s. No wonder her book is the best seller in Japan in 2007!
I guess those of us who practice Tanaka's massage consistently will definitely achieve great results sooner or later!!!  |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:44 am |
I think any massage can be good for people, and am pleased to see lymphatic drainage massage as well as what she is calling Bone massage gaining a wider audience. I even like cranials too for the effect they can have on the appearance. I think we are so lucky today to have tools like EDS and other forums, where we can really dispel the myth that handling our faces is a bad thing.
For far too long, women and men have been brainwashed into believing that there is nothing that can be done, and sadly nothing could be further from the truth. I truly believe if you want to be healthy and also have healthy facial tissue than handling it and massage and facial exercises are the best tools we have at our disposal to prevent the “so called” normal aging effects from taking place. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:18 am |
| moonstone wrote: |
Wow critic, thank you so much for spending the time and effort to do the translation for us.
I guess I need to order the book for Tanaka's body massage in order to do the program in a correct manner. I'm actually planning to do
Callanetic along with the body massage to see if the combination will have a better result for my body shape!
It's interesting to learn that you notice that people in Shanghai actually look older than their age, as I thought gals in Shanghai usually have great skin and complexion when they are young. Their diet without an adequate amount of water probably is one of the main culprit!
Yes, I've been doing Ageless for quite a while. It's a great program that helps a lot to lift up my face and works very wells for my eyes and upper cheeks. But a couple of months ago, my lower face became rather slim and gaunt after doing Ageless intensive bootcamp. Recently I've started a new program called Faceworks as the before/after photos of that program look quite believable to me. http://www.faceworks.co.uk/before_and_after.htm
(I notice that a couple of the model's faces actually become rounder in a more feminine way ) My lower face does become fuller after doing the program for only a few weeks. I guess I will give a full review after doing Faceworks for 2 months or so.
Yes, I'm sure the models from Tanaka's book are in their mid or late 30's, rather than teenagers! But Tanaka does look unbelievably young for the age of 60+, I thought she's in her 40+ when I first saw the DVD. It's really rare to find Asians who look as good as Tanaka in their 60s. No wonder her book is the best seller in Japan in 2007!
I guess those of us who practice Tanaka's massage consistently will definitely achieve great results sooner or later!!! |
I am very excited when I first start using Ageless because it takes less than 10 mins, I actually can't tell the difference (I had a feeling that I look better and I believed anyone will wish the same if you have spent on something, maybe there is also my imagination). I quickly noticed that my nose is flattening and enlarging, which was very scary because my nose is already big enough. And I do look very tired overall, so I stop it right away.
Then I met an old woman, who is the grandma of my staff, she is 70+. You know people in China at her age knows nothing about skincare and beauty care and they can't afford to buy face cream etc. She has very beautiful complexion without too much wrinkles. My staff told me her grandma gentle pat and hit her face everyday. (for details, please check my other topic re Chinese medicine and food therapy). I feel like : does it mean facial exercise actually not suitable for Asian/Chinese? We should go back to the traditional way? and that's the reason I started to browse for beauty books in Chinese and 'discover' Tanaka books.
I am still worrying about my nose, but will never ever consider cosmetic surgery. So... I am browsing on bone facial exercise, hope it works!
FE trainers and other facial exercise experts - please fill in if you know what has happened to my nose. |
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