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Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:07 am |
Thanks, summer2004. Interestingly, the lady pictured looks like Boski from the 302 thread. |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:16 am |
Tonia wrote: |
Miranda, you suggested on another thread that I wait more than one week between 1mm rolls. Like you mentioned, I have read that it can break down the collagen that is building if you roll sooner than 4 weeks. I have also read that, for a 1mm, the wait time should be 1-4 weeks. Since my skin seems to rebound quickly between rolls, I chose the 1 week thinking it may accelerate the process. I have spent hours reading article after article about this. There is such varying information out there, I'm not really sure what is best. If anyone has an opinion or experience to share, please chime in.
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I hear what you're saying Tonia. We should judge for ourselves with the results we see what works. But deeper rolls (by this I mean 1mm +) don't usually yield results short term so you will only know rolling weekly (even short term) with 1mm is working for you in a number of months time.
What you are doing is graciously being our guinea pig and we can only thank you for that. I hope you're still posting in 6 months so we can know how it's gone for you. But even then, the same results may not work on someone else with thinner skin than you (infact do you consider yourself to have thick skin? And what are you trying to address by rolling?). |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:30 am |
I'm always glad to be the guinea pig! I think you made an excellent point when you said that results will be different for different people. I have to keep reminding myself of that.
I consider my skin to be thin but resilient. I heal very quickly. My skin gets red easily but goes back to normal easily too. My skin is rebounding from the 1mm very quickly which makes me comfortable going at it again. I am hoping to address some fine lines and hyper-pigmentation. My problem with topicals for hyper-pigmentation is that HQ shouldn't be used long term and I've never found anything else that works. I would love to find a more permanent solution. Maybe rolling in vitamins will help. If I manage to thicken my skin and build some collagen along the way, that's even better!
I can post results in about 6 months. I should be ready to start 1.5mm monthly rolls at that point too.
Thank you for your insight, Miranda.
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Tonia wrote: |
Miranda, you suggested on another thread that I wait more than one week between 1mm rolls. Like you mentioned, I have read that it can break down the collagen that is building if you roll sooner than 4 weeks. I have also read that, for a 1mm, the wait time should be 1-4 weeks. Since my skin seems to rebound quickly between rolls, I chose the 1 week thinking it may accelerate the process. I have spent hours reading article after article about this. There is such varying information out there, I'm not really sure what is best. If anyone has an opinion or experience to share, please chime in.
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I hear what you're saying Tonia. We should judge for ourselves with the results we see what works. But deeper rolls (by this I mean 1mm +) don't usually yield results short term so you will only know rolling weekly (even short term) with 1mm is working for you in a number of months time.
What you are doing is graciously being our guinea pig and we can only thank you for that. I hope you're still posting in 6 months so we can know how it's gone for you. But even then, the same results may not work on someone else with thinner skin than you (infact do you consider yourself to have thick skin? And what are you trying to address by rolling?). |
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_________________ I always lie about my age. I tell everyone I'm 10 years older than I really am. Everyone thinks I look great! |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:25 am |
I read the scar reduction link (thanks to summer2004) and wonder at this comment:
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The Clearskincare Skin Roller range was designed ...to maximise results...whilst minimising downtime and pain, hence the selected needle lengths of the homecare rollers of 0.75mm (Skin & Scalp Roller) and 0.3mm (Face Roller). Other rollers available were designed by engineers who have no medical background, or understanding of scar, anti ageing skin treatment or any understanding of human anatomy, hence their ineffective generic choices of needle lengths (0.25mm, 0.5mm, 1mm, 1.5mm, 2.5mm etc). |
Can anyone corroborate or refute that statement? Are we all damaging ourselves with our "engineer-designed" .5s? (I'm inclined to ignore it, but now I have, of course, doubts!) |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:26 am |
Tonia wrote: |
My problem with topicals for hyper-pigmentation is that HQ shouldn't be used long term and I've never found anything else that works. I would love to find a more permanent solution. |
Tonia, I agree. I have never found anything other than HQ that will work on pigmentation. That said, I read the New Beauty magazine, and Dr. Baumann says that "the body can build up a resistance to hydroquinone over time. This occurs as the body regulates enzyme production to overcome the intended action of the ingredient." I found that very interesting. She recommended stopping the HQ every 3-4 months to give your skin a break from it. Unfortunately, she did not mention how long of a break one should take! (In the same article, they recommend using a natural pigment suppressor once you achieve results with HQ to maintain your results - such as kojic or azelaic acid). And last on the hyperpigmentation, but there is a product called Lumixyl that is supposed to be an alternative to HQ (I have not tried this product), and it uses peptides.
Sorry for OT everyone, but I roll due to pigmentation issues, as well, and wanted to share this. |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:37 pm |
I just within the last few days started to read up on this subject of dermarolling and find it quite interesting. Can anyone help me with advice on what type of roller to purchase, what size needle, and any other products I might need to purchase. My main interest is getting rid of some fine wrinkles and tightening of the skin around the jaw area for starters. |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:38 pm |
I forgot to mention, what is the best thing you can put on your face after rolling. Also what do you use during the roll process? |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:28 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
Thanks, summer2004. Interestingly, the lady pictured looks like Boski from the 302 thread. |
rileygirl - I agree that the picture does look like boski who use to post on the 302 thread. And she used CPs before starting on 302(so she said to me). If Copper Peptides combined w/ a roller made that much improvement to what her skin showed - WOW!
I would really like to know what length needle she used to get those results. I have a 1.5 but hate,hate,hate it. I would like to try a smaller one, but want to get the benefits of the deeper ones. Such a conundrum! |
_________________ early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:08 pm |
Tonia wrote: |
Keliu, how much CoQ10 do you mix in to your Emu oil?] |
I buy the .6g tube of CoQ10 from Skinactives which is enough for 4oz of Emu Oil. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:18 pm |
Hermosa wrote: |
I read the scar reduction link (thanks to summer2004) and wonder at this comment:
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The Clearskincare Skin Roller range was designed ...to maximise results...whilst minimising downtime and pain, hence the selected needle lengths of the homecare rollers of 0.75mm (Skin & Scalp Roller) and 0.3mm (Face Roller). Other rollers available were designed by engineers who have no medical background, or understanding of scar, anti ageing skin treatment or any understanding of human anatomy, hence their ineffective generic choices of needle lengths (0.25mm, 0.5mm, 1mm, 1.5mm, 2.5mm etc). |
Can anyone corroborate or refute that statement? Are we all damaging ourselves with our "engineer-designed" .5s? (I'm inclined to ignore it, but now I have, of course, doubts!) |
Wouldn't worry about it. We're talking about a difference of .5mm. Where are the studies that say a .25m roller is ineffective but a .3mm roller is? They're just trying to promote their own product over others. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:28 pm |
Jackie284 wrote: |
Hi everyone,
is it possible that rolling helps with broken caps ? I have avoided tolling over my cheeks with the 1.5mm assuming this would make the worse ? |
Rolling will not make your broken caps worse - but it's not a quick fix either. It should make them less visible by thickening the skin, but this takes time. I used to have very bad broken caps that were clearly visible even through makeup. They are hardly noticeable now and I credit rolling and LED treatments for this, oh and probably Retin-A too. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:28 pm |
foxe wrote: |
rileygirl - I agree that the picture does look like boski who use to post on the 302 thread. And she used CPs before starting on 302(so she said to me). If Copper Peptides combined w/ a roller made that much improvement to what her skin showed - WOW!
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And that also brings the question up of how effective 302 really is in regards to acne scars! |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:48 pm |
Rileygirl, thank you for the information. An aesthetitian told me to use the PCA gel between HQ treatments for the reason you mentioned. She also said HQ can cause a rebound effect making your spots darker than before. I haven't tried the product you mentioned. Sorry OT, moving on.
Has dermarolling helped to lighten your pigmentation? If so, did you roll in topicals and what length needles did you use? TIA! TIA!
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Tonia |
_________________ I always lie about my age. I tell everyone I'm 10 years older than I really am. Everyone thinks I look great! |
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:16 pm |
Tonia wrote: |
Rileygirl, thank you for the information. An aesthetitian told me to use the PCA gel between HQ treatments for the reason you mentioned. She also said HQ can cause a rebound effect making your spots darker than before. I haven't tried the product you mentioned. Sorry OT, moving on.
Has dermarolling helped to lighten your pigmentation? If so, did you roll in topicals and what length needles did you use? TIA! TIA!
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Tonia |
Dermarolling has not helped lighten my pigmentation, but I mostly do the bigger rolls with the 1 mm needle. I use 302 C and A boost after the bigger rolls (simulating what Dr. Fernandes from Environ recommends). For the product penetration rolls I use the Environ C-Quence 2 afterward. Right now I am just starting a trial using the Environ Evanescence (Sepiwhite and Niacinamide) with Retin A to see if that will help. I don't have hardly pigmentation left, to be honest with you, just a few sun spots on each cheek but they bother me to no end! (Retin A and Skinceuticals C, E, Ferlic were the products that I feel have helped with my pigmentation after I stopped HQ, and I have done a spot treatment on my sun spots with a TCA peel that also lightened the spots). |
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Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:04 pm |
Hello all, reporting in, here. lol I just did what I consider my "deep" roll, using the 0.5mm roller (I do this every 7-10 days). This time, I used more pressure than I ever have before. I applied retinyl palmitate, rolled that in 10 times each way in the star pattern all over. Then I applied Skin Signals CP's right away and emu oil over that. My face was bright red and swollen, but as always, within 24 hours all redness and swelling were gone. For the very first time, I had no hives and/or itching, and the one product that was different was the Skin Signals. My skin today (36 hours after that roll) looks radiant, but has been feeling a bit dry. I think if I am going to apply CP's after a deeper roll than normal, I need to continue to apply oils the following day. I didn't do that this time, and I will be certain to from now on. ~ JJ |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:07 pm |
Lilac19 wrote: |
I just within the last few days started to read up on this subject of dermarolling and find it quite interesting. Can anyone help me with advice on what type of roller to purchase, what size needle, and any other products I might need to purchase. My main interest is getting rid of some fine wrinkles and tightening of the skin around the jaw area for starters. |
Hi, Lilac. To me, the best roller to begin rolling with is a 0.25mm roller. It gets the job done without scaring you to death, and can be used fairly often. It's perfectly capable of thickening the skin and increasing product absorption. In this thread, you will find many suggestions for products to use during and after the roll, as well as links to different brands of rollers. HTH! ~ JJ |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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rainingroses
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Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:23 am |
I have read this forum daily for months but never registered until now, because I'm interested in starting dermarolling for product penetration. (If I start doing it, I will use the 0.2 mm dermaroller.)
My question - which prompted me to register - is: on one of the, in this thread recommended, dermarolling sites it said that you should not wear makeup for three days after dermarolling.
Is this true also when you use a 0.2 mm dermaroller, or only when you use one with longer needles that will draw blood?
I can go without makeup on the weekends, but I work five days a week and I cannot imagine going to work without makeup on.
Anyone know tha answer to this? Thanks in advance! |
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Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:36 am |
rainingroses wrote: |
I have read this forum daily for months but never registered until now, because I'm interested in starting dermarolling for product penetration. (If I start doing it, I will use the 0.2 mm dermaroller.)
My question - which prompted me to register - is: on one of the, in this thread recommended, dermarolling sites it said that you should not wear makeup for three days after dermarolling.
Is this true also when you use a 0.2 mm dermaroller, or only when you use one with longer needles that will draw blood?
I can go without makeup on the weekends, but I work five days a week and I cannot imagine going to work without makeup on.
Anyone know tha answer to this? Thanks in advance! |
Rolling with a 0.2mm roller will not draw any blood.
I have always worn makeup the day after rolling - even with a 1.5mm roller. But with a 0.2mm roller, makeup definitely won't be a concern. HTH. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:45 am |
rainingroses wrote: |
I have read this forum daily for months but never registered until now, because I'm interested in starting dermarolling for product penetration. (If I start doing it, I will use the 0.2 mm dermaroller.)
My question - which prompted me to register - is: on one of the, in this thread recommended, dermarolling sites it said that you should not wear makeup for three days after dermarolling.
Is this true also when you use a 0.2 mm dermaroller, or only when you use one with longer needles that will draw blood?
I can go without makeup on the weekends, but I work five days a week and I cannot imagine going to work without makeup on.
Anyone know tha answer to this? Thanks in advance! |
Hi Rainingroses - glad you took the plunge to post! It's a good question.
I don't tend to wear foundation or powder but always wear blusher.
I've always worn it after rolling both 0.5mm and 1.5mm (I roll at night, makeup app in the morning). |
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rainingroses
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Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:35 am |
Thank you Keliu and This is Miranda for your helpful replies.
I will be ordering a dermaroller today! |
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:35 pm |
I just want to say that I have tried my new dermaroller twice now this week, with the advice from JJ and I love it. I have noticed a slight glow and I have become addicted.
Thanks! |
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:32 pm |
I'm still a little confused even after reading the various dermarolling threads. My question is: when you roll for product penetration, is there a wait time between applying the product and rolling? I know that I need to wait at least an hour AFTER rolling before I apply Retin-A but if I apply a copper P or vitamin C serum first, do I need to wait a while before rolling?
My pm skincare routine is to apply my serums, creams and then wait about an hour before applying Retin-A and Triluma and I'm wondering if I could apply my serums and creams, then roll, wait an hour and then apply Retin-A and Triluma or would this be too much product?
Thanks! |
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:43 pm |
Jeffiner13 wrote: |
I just want to say that I have tried my new dermaroller twice now this week, with the advice from JJ and I love it. I have noticed a slight glow and I have become addicted.
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Jen, good for you! I agree with you, it's very addictive. ~ JJ |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:54 pm |
Merrylass wrote: |
I'm still a little confused even after reading the various dermarolling threads. My question is: when you roll for product penetration, is there a wait time between applying the product and rolling? I know that I need to wait at least an hour AFTER rolling before I apply Retin-A but if I apply a copper P or vitamin C serum first, do I need to wait a while before rolling?
My pm skincare routine is to apply my serums, creams and then wait about an hour before applying Retin-A and Triluma and I'm wondering if I could apply my serums and creams, then roll, wait an hour and then apply Retin-A and Triluma or would this be too much product?
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Merrylass, if you are rolling for product penetration, then you want those initial serums and cream you apply to go deeper right? I have applied my products and then rolled, which is actually what some of the deramroller sites recommend. I have also rolled first and then applied my actives immediately; doing this, I definitely feel them more.
They say that you can apply Retin-A an hour after rolling. If you are only using a 0.25mm roller, I'm sure that's fairly safe. For me, to apply retin-a an hour after rolling with a 0.5mm roller would be horrible. But that's how much my face reacts to the 0.5mm roller.
A good test would be simply do a roll with warm water. If your face gets red and swollen after a water roll, I would advise waiting several hours (or even the next day) to use retin-a or Vitamin C in L-ascorbic-acid form. I have used Skin Signals copper peptides immediately after a roll and had no problems whatsoever. But retin-a and LAA are much harsher actives than this CP I am using.
Here again, it's what your skin can take and it is so very individual. So perhaps the little test above is what you should do. Even the small 0.2 or 0.25mm rollers will probably make you red briefly, but they shouldn't make you swell. And if they don't, you could use your retin-a and TriLuma an hour+ after rolling.
Another point that was brought up in the long dermaroller thread was that too much Vitamin A being introduced deeply into the skin via rolling could be a bit dangerous, as (I think I'm remembering correctly) the liver stores excess Vitamin A (not a good thing). Most of the rolling on that thread, however, involved much longer needles than what we are discussing. HTH ~ JJ |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:20 pm |
jj, I really appreciate your advice -- it makes good sense. I ordered the 1.5mm roller from Owndoc but haven't receive it yet. I'm now considering the 0.2mm for product penetration -- I like my current skincare products and would love to enhance their performance even more by rolling. Thanks again for your help. |
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