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Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:25 pm |
Toby wrote: |
I have 12" of snow and it is Spa Fever" break out the roller, LED light, the Stop, and nothing else that comes to mind!!!!I will either look fabulous when I go back to work or a pin cushion!!!I will blame it on frost bite!!! |
Oh you guys really got it socked to you - you're further north than either of us. I am SO not a winter weather person, because we normally get lots of dreadful ice rather than gorgeous snow. That's an awful lot of snow, sweetie! Hope it's not the "pin-cushion" look you end up with - been there, done that. |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:20 pm |
jjbeacham wrote: |
This is Miranda wrote: |
While I'm (still!) waiting for my 0.2mm roller I was wondering which product I could use with it once it arrives.
I won a $50 EDS voucher that's electronically burning a hole in my pocket and needs spending - so any suggestions?
I think I could do with some skin plumping but anything that's beneficial and works would be great. |
Hi, Miranda! Crikey, I have the same problem - $50 G/C and no idea what I want yet. (Nice problem to have, though). What are you using these days? I know you use retin-a and I'm assuming with your longer rollers you are rolling in vitamins. I use everything with my small roller. All kinds of peptides, copper included, retinol products, gentle Vit. C products.
Generally, what I do is roll first and then apply my normal facial products (except retin-a or LAA form of C). It makes everything absorb better, no matter what you use, so you're going to get a plumping effect with any good product, I think. Have you ever used copper? I'm using SkinBiology's Skin Signals over Exfol Serum, but I've been using CP's for about a year now. I was thinking you might get used to CP's with PSF's Bio-Copper Serum. Lots of people love this product, it has lots of copper peptides, but the copper ions have been removed, so you get the benefits of CP's without the uglies. http://www.essentialdayspa.com/psf-bio-copper-serum-p_9445.htm Let's see what everyone suggests; I'll be interested in this too. ~ JJ |
For my 1.5mm rolls, I don't use any product; I'm rolling for the collagen repair/building.
With my 0.5mm, I'm applying the Infadolan after. Apart from the occasional RA 0.1%, daily hempseed oil with my vaculift (which I toner off) I don't really apply products to my skin although I do spritz with a weak vit C solution (powder supplied by Owndoc) every few days as well.
I was thinking about CP's - I've been inspired by your recent experience. EDS don't sell the Skin Signals right? I've just looked at the PSF serum and it looks very interesting. Will do some research on it!
toby wrote: |
I have 12" of snow and it is Spa Fever" break out the roller, LED light, the Stop, and nothing else that comes to mind!!!!I will either look fabulous when I go back to work or a pin cushion!!!I will blame it on frost bite!!! |
I have looked like a pin cushion on occasions! |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:38 pm |
Miranda, EDS has most of the SkinBiology products, but I couldn't find the Skin Signals. Not sure why they don't have it. Here's a link to SB's Skin Signals: http://www.skinbiology.com/skinsignals.html |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:11 pm |
I got my dermaroller .2mm and 1.0mm today. It came with the Infadolan that I see a lot on this thread.
I don't know if I should use it or not. I started Tretinoin Gel .025% like 3-4 weeks ago. I'm getting over the inital breakout, have 2 active pimples at the moment, with some healing ones. None are huge or cystic, just small pimps.
First I want to give the .2mm a go before I attempt the 1.0 (probably in a month). I know from the thread it is not wise to dermaroll prior to applying Tret. But I also can't stop using it now, I'm at a critical stage.
So, any advice?
Maybe dermaroll and use infadolan one night, then next night, no rolling and use tret? |
_________________ 31 - KMF Olive oil soap, OCM, Tazorac, Vit C Serum, Hyaluronic Acid Serum, 50 SPF |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:45 pm |
yes, the brownish red stuff!
I found it to be expensive in the stores, so now I get mine online from Allegro Medical, for cheap.
BF |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:13 pm |
Barefootgirl wrote: |
When I started rolling, I researched the antimicrobial issue thoroughly and it led me to the use of povidone iodine as my antimicrobial of choice...for various reasons.
Of course, also good body hygiene in general.
I believe Josee, the doctor here who rolls, also uses iodine for the same reasons.
BF |
You may want to read this recently released study regarding Povidone–Iodine:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/362/1/18 |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:59 pm |
I can't imagine that it's recommended by anyone that you roll even with small short needles when pimples are active as they are full of bacteria which you would just be spreading everywhere you roll! I know it's not even considered wise to massage with OCM during a time you have any pimples and that is just a case of massaging the skin! |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:21 pm |
Barefootgirl wrote: |
yes, the brownish red stuff!
I found it to be expensive in the stores, so now I get mine online from Allegro Medical, for cheap.
BF |
Thanks, BF!!!! |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:25 pm |
SandraD4880 wrote: |
have 2 active pimples at the moment, with some healing ones. None are huge or cystic, just small pimps.
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Per the owndoc site where you ordered from:
"Do not use it on infected or diseased skin such as active acne, herpes, blood clotting problems, poor healing, eczemas, psoriasis, fungal infection, wounds, moles etc." |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:28 pm |
SandraD4880 wrote: |
I got my dermaroller .2mm and 1.0mm today. It came with the Infadolan that I see a lot on this thread.
I don't know if I should use it or not. I started Tretinoin Gel .025% like 3-4 weeks ago. I'm getting over the inital breakout, have 2 active pimples at the moment, with some healing ones. None are huge or cystic, just small pimps.
First I want to give the .2mm a go before I attempt the 1.0 (probably in a month). I know from the thread it is not wise to dermaroll prior to applying Tret. But I also can't stop using it now, I'm at a critical stage.
So, any advice?
Maybe dermaroll and use infadolan one night, then next night, no rolling and use tret? |
Sandra, you really are not supposed to roll if you have ANY pimples. Rolling can spread the bacteria over your entire face and really lead to problems. If I were you, I would continue letting your skin get used to the Tretinoin and get past the initial purging before even thinking about rolling. Once your skin is clear again, then you can decide how you want to proceed. You might want to roll in the morning and use Tretinoin at night, or just roll with the 0.2 roller with the ointment or another rolling product (such as Vitamin C ester or retinyl palmitate) a few times a week and use Tretinoin on alternate nights. There are all kinds of ways to work in rolling and continue to use your retin-a. But please hide your rollers from yourself until your skin has cleared up. HTH ~ JJ |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:03 am |
Is it possible to start a new thread on the subject of dermaroller hygiene?
This is a thread for short needle users; there are two other threads, one in particular for people using only longer needles and they're not getting access to this information.
Also I personally would like to get back to discussing the subject title of this thread with posters writing on products they are using, results we are or are not seeing and advising newcomers.
A dedicated thread with all the important info & advice that has been discussed will make it much easier for all three threads to keep up with new info. Can one of the posters who are very interested in the hygiene aspect begin a new thread pls? |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:24 am |
I live just north of Nashville. JJ lives only a few hours away. (I guess she'll have to tell you in which direction ;o) )
Oh yes, it has been a great excuse to do my spa treatments. I used EMLA cream last night for the first time with my 1.mm. I guess you don't hold back when you can't feel it. I drew a lot more blood than ever before. My hubby said it looked like someone had punched me in the face when I was done. That's not the look I was going for. I used the infadolan A and D ointment when I was done and it was very soothing. Skin looks much better this morning.
OK, here's a question. I would like to add some oil soluble Vitamin C to the infadolan ointment. Does anyone have any recommendations about what kind of Vitamin C I should use and how much I should add. I don't see anything in the ointment that should interfere with the Vitamin C.
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Tonia wrote: |
Thanks for the tip JJ, I'll try that. Tonight I'm going to do a 1. roll with the A and D ointment. I ordered the 1.5 from your ebay source for my next roll. I also will try EMLA for the first time tonight. Maybe this time I can roll above my upper lip.
We never lost power, thank goodness. We got 7 inches of snow. We have a long, steep driveway so we parked the SUV at the bottom of the hill. That didn't help much because the main road is covered in ice too. |
Where do you girls live?
Think of it this way when you're snowed in you have every reason to get out the rollers and the skin care artillary and use your time wisely. |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:29 am |
Oh no! I thought this was for product penetration. I am interested in product penetration for use with my long and short needles. Is this thread really supposed to be only for short needles?
My apologies to all if I have been posting off topic.
This is Miranda wrote: |
This is a thread for short needle users; |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:54 am |
Tonia wrote: |
Oh no! I thought this was for product penetration. I am interested in product penetration for use with my long and short needles. Is this thread really supposed to be only for short needles?
My apologies to all if I have been posting off topic.
This is Miranda wrote: |
This is a thread for short needle users; |
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Actually sorry Tonia that was my mistake as some may use longer needles (1mm+) for product penetration (although longer needles don't need products to work their wonders). Just making the point there are two other threads, one for stretchmarks in which we all use longer needles. |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:32 am |
Tonia wrote: |
Oh no! I thought this was for product penetration. I am interested in product penetration for use with my long and short needles. Is this thread really supposed to be only for short needles?
My apologies to all if I have been posting off topic.
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Tonia, you're in the right place if your goal is product penetration. However, you might pick up some good tips about the long needles on the gigantic Dermaroller thread dedicated to rolling more deeply. Lots of posters on this thread have both the short needles and the long. However, the blood-drawing with EMLA/ice is not what we are doing - that would be the big Dermaroller thread. But you use the short needles too, so you are in the right place. Some people on this thread have only the .1 roller or bigger, but roll very lightly just to get their products in. Since all of our skins are different, I think the needle length each person uses is not the issue, but HOW they use it - either smaller needles to get product in, or longer needles used very lightly for the same reason. Hope this makes sense! ~ JJ
P.S. to everybody: Not all of us can afford more than one roller. If you don't have a short-needled roller, just use your longer needled roller very lightly without lots of pressure to help get the most out of your products. I have a 0.5 that I consider *long* - weenie that I am - since I get such redness/swelling with it. |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:42 am |
I got my 0.2mm today!
Did it this morning and can't even feel it on my lower face.... tingles a bit on my forehead though. I applied my usual moisturiser after but my skin did look open-pored afterwards and still does (6 hours later). Is this normal? |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:30 pm |
This is Miranda wrote: |
I got my 0.2mm today!
Did it this morning and can't even feel it on my lower face.... tingles a bit on my forehead though. I applied my usual moisturiser after but my skin did look open-pored afterwards and still does (6 hours later). Is this normal? |
M, are you saying it made your pores look larger? I'm not quite sure what "open-pored" means. |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:51 pm |
jjbeacham wrote: |
This is Miranda wrote: |
I got my 0.2mm today!
Did it this morning and can't even feel it on my lower face.... tingles a bit on my forehead though. I applied my usual moisturiser after but my skin did look open-pored afterwards and still does (6 hours later). Is this normal? |
M, are you saying it made your pores look larger? I'm not quite sure what "open-pored" means. |
Yes, my pores look larger - well actually they look like they've returned to my 'normal' size whereas previously for the last few weeks, my pores have been looking closed/smaller.
Could the roller have opened my pores and then I've added my moisturiser into them which has sort of blocked them? It's a NeoStrata moisturiser with gluconolactone (a polyhydroxy acid and vit E) that my skin usually loves.
As a side note, does anyone dry brush or exfoliate straight after a 0.2mm roll? If it does open pores, would this be a good way of cleaning them out? |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:45 pm |
This is Miranda wrote: |
jjbeacham wrote: |
This is Miranda wrote: |
I got my 0.2mm today!
Did it this morning and can't even feel it on my lower face.... tingles a bit on my forehead though. I applied my usual moisturiser after but my skin did look open-pored afterwards and still does (6 hours later). Is this normal? |
M, are you saying it made your pores look larger? I'm not quite sure what "open-pored" means. |
Yes, my pores look larger - well actually they look like they've returned to my 'normal' size whereas previously for the last few weeks, my pores have been looking closed/smaller.
Could the roller have opened my pores and then I've added my moisturiser into them which has sort of blocked them? It's a NeoStrata moisturiser with gluconolactone (a polyhydroxy acid and vit E) that my skin usually loves.
As a side note, does anyone dry brush or exfoliate straight after a 0.2mm roll? If it does open pores, would this be a good way of cleaning them out? |
Well, the NeoStrata shouldn't do that. I use some Exuviance products by NeoStrata and they are wonderful. I drybrush before I roll. But if the 0.2mm roller is not making your skin have much of a reaction to the roller itself, I don't see why you couldn't drybrush afterward, just don't be too harsh. Why don't you roll again with the 0.2mm and use a different product and see if it is the NeoStrata. I apply everything you can imagine after rolling with my 0.2mm roller, and have had no blocked pores at all, just the opposite. This is very strange, Miranda. You haven't done anything else different, have you? |
_________________ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away ~ Author Unknown |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:04 pm |
jjbeacham wrote: |
This is Miranda wrote: |
Yes, my pores look larger - well actually they look like they've returned to my 'normal' size whereas previously for the last few weeks, my pores have been looking closed/smaller.
Could the roller have opened my pores and then I've added my moisturiser into them which has sort of blocked them? It's a NeoStrata moisturiser with gluconolactone (a polyhydroxy acid and vit E) that my skin usually loves.
As a side note, does anyone dry brush or exfoliate straight after a 0.2mm roll? If it does open pores, would this be a good way of cleaning them out? |
Well, the NeoStrata shouldn't do that. I use some Exuviance products by NeoStrata and they are wonderful. I drybrush before I roll. But if the 0.2mm roller is not making your skin have much of a reaction to the roller itself, I don't see why you couldn't drybrush afterward, just don't be too harsh. Why don't you roll again with the 0.2mm and use a different product and see if it is the NeoStrata. I apply everything you can imagine after rolling with my 0.2mm roller, and have had no blocked pores at all, just the opposite. This is very strange, Miranda. You haven't done anything else different, have you? |
No, nothing different. Except I usually roll at night before bedtime so maybe this always happens... I've just never seen it!
I don't have a night product to roll in except my RA (oh no... why did I think of that, now I'm tempted!).
I'm hoping my tight pores wasn't just a stage and I'm coincidently reverting back to normal |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:07 pm |
Miranda - Rolling is not going to increase the size of your pores. Your pores probably look bigger because of some slight swelling and inflammation. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:41 pm |
Whew! I thought I'd posted about 20 off topic posts!
I learned about the A and D ointment on this thread, which I love to use for my .25 and my 1mm rollers. I read the other thread too but this thread has taken me to the next level with my rolling regimen.
JJ, do you roll in obagi hydroquinone? I wonder if it can rolled in without too much irritation. If noone has tried it, I'll give it a patch test.
Miranda, every time I roll with my .25, I wonder how anyone can think that thing tickles. You must have tougher skin than me. Mine doesn't hurt terribly but it certainly doesn't tickle.
Oh, and my pores always look smaller after rolling with the .25, not bigger. It also seems to get in the grooves and the gunk comes out of my pores easier the next time I cleanse my skin. I'll be interested to know how your pores look in the next 24 hours. |
_________________ I always lie about my age. I tell everyone I'm 10 years older than I really am. Everyone thinks I look great! |
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:47 pm |
Below are some extracts from a paper that I have on Platelet-rich Plasma rejuvenation. Basically, blood is taken from the patient, mixed with a PRP solution in a centrifuge machine, then injected back into the patients face. BTW, this procedure is now becoming popular in Australia.
Now, obviously, we can't exactly replicate this treatment - but we can attempt to use aspects of it.
Title: Micro Needling and Injecting Platelet Rich Plasma to Enhance Collagen Synthesis and Skin Tightening.
Method
First, 50cc blood is drawn from the patient, centrifuged for 10 mins until the platelets, which carry the growth factors, are separated from the remaining blood. See Fig 5 and Fig 6 below (Blood Recovery Systems, Inc.)
Second, the patient undergoes microdermabrasion to remove the stratum corneum in the treatment area, while the platelets are being separated, to prepare the skin surface for the PRP.
Third, the treatment area undergoes nappage, via medical micro needle therapy (Fig 7) below to produce microscopic channels thru the epidermis in order (1) to increase the penetration of the PRP into the dermis and (2) to initiate the immune response in the dermal layer.
Fourth, the activated PRP or toning formula is then applied to the face and nappage is continued with the roller for the CET treatment only.
NOTE: The maximum effect of a Mesolift of the neck and face can be achieved at this point by injecting PRP and a skin toning formula. A Mesolift, or non-surgical skin tightening, utilizes micro injections of a variety of skin toning formulas and or a lipolytic formula to achieve a desired result. It is the synergistic effect of the toning formulas and the bodies “wound response”, caused by the needle that produces the desired effect. After the injections, a 0.5mm MTS roller is used on the treated areas to induce collagen synthesis.
Fifth, freeze-dried collagen sheets (Reviva Labs, New Jersey) moistened with PRP, saline and or a toning formula, is applied to the area for 30 minutes (Fig 10). The collagen sheets hydrate the skin and infuse the PRP or toning formula into the micro channels. The channels close within an hour entrapping the PRP or toning formula beneath the epidermis.
So here's my version of the above treatment:
First - skip this step!
Second - microdermabrasion - I have my own home-use machine - but a microfiber cloth will also do.
Third - roll with 0.5 roller.
Fourth - apply toning solution (any active of your choice).
Fifth - apply Collagen Face Mask - in the past I've used Elandra Collagen Masks (they're an Australian product but available on line). But any good mask will do.
When I was rolling with longer needles I would always apply a mask afterwards. Not only is it beneficial in penetrating actives into the skin, it is also very soothing. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:18 am |
Keliu wrote: |
Miranda - Rolling is not going to increase the size of your pores. Your pores probably look bigger because of some slight swelling and inflammation. |
Swelling with a 0.2mm roller? I know what you're saying makes sense Keliu, but I can feel when my skin is a little tight but it certainly wasn't yesterday.
Cannot judge today - pores much larger because I did my first deep 1.5mm roll since Dec, last night. Lots of blood spots - more than ever before. I'm sure the 0.5mm has made it possible for me to roll harder with the 1.5mm (curiously I wasn't able to roll as hard on my stomach - I never use the shorter rollers there, must be something in this). Still hurt like hell though and abit swollen today! I won't use my baby 0.2mm until tom and will use it at night so will let you all know what happens next time.
Also am very tempted to do baby roll with Retin A, seeing as I did a proper 1.5mm roll then applied RA, I'm sure I can handle the 0.2mm! Will do patch test.
tonia wrote: |
I read the other thread too but this thread has taken me to the next level with my rolling regimen.
Miranda, every time I roll with my .25, I wonder how anyone can think that thing tickles. You must have tougher skin than me. Mine doesn't hurt terribly but it certainly doesn't tickle. |
I agree 100% that this thread is so informative on rolling in general. I'd like to discuss my deeper roll results on it but worry that it would be considered too O/T.
The baby roller didn't even tickle my lower face - it felt like only the plastic barrel was being rolled - I honestly couldn't feel the needles! Which is why, if my skin is thicker now, I'm thinking about using RA with the 0.2mm. I no longer get redness or flakes or itchiness after using RA, I wonder if it no longer gets deep into my skin now. |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:41 am |
This is Miranda wrote: |
The baby roller didn't even tickle my lower face - it felt like only the plastic barrel was being rolled - I honestly couldn't feel the needles! Which is why, if my skin is thicker now, I'm thinking about using RA with the 0.2mm. I no longer get redness or flakes or itchiness after using RA, I wonder if it no longer gets deep into my skin now. |
It is not advised to use Retin-A after rolling. But after having said that, I have to admit that I have done it on several occasions. Like you, I have absolutely no irritation or redness from using Retin-A but my skin did peel quite a bit when I applied it post rolling.
However, I have decided not to do this anymore - Retin-A is a drug, it is not a cosmetic product. Therefore, I think it should be used judiciously. You don't know what "issues" you might be creating by making it penetrate deeper into the skin than it is meant to do. I think in this case it might be better to err on the side of caution. |
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