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Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:03 am |
Hey guys, I'm a long time lurker of this forum and just decided to make an account. I was just wondering if anyone knows what these are.. I'm 18 so I don't have any lines around my mouth, but it seems like it's kind of hollowing to the right and left? Picture hollowing coming down from my nose about half an inch from the corners of my mouth, but most of the hollowing is around my mouth and not my nose. It probably has to do with the overall thinning of my skin. It depresses me because most of the time in pictures you can see them, and it just ages me. You know the feeling when a problem just comes out of nowhere? Lol. Actually I just took a picture and noticed the left side of my face was okay, but it's mainly the right side with the problem. Is that weird? Maybe it has to do with me mostly sleeping on my right side? I'm not really big but I am a little overweight so it could be a bit of sagging if there's more fat in my face.. I wonder if losing weight would help.
ANYWAY I mostly wanted to see if anyone knew what these were because there's only information about "Marionette lines" or those kinds of lines on google. Does anyone know what could help? Maybe it's fluid retention to the sides of my mouth, giving the appearance of hollows.. It could be all about diet. Sorry guys I get obsessive lol. Just throw me some ideas if you have any. Thanks! |
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:44 pm |
No one has any ideas? : / I guess I'll just try some things and see what happens... |
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:56 pm |
have u noticed yourself getting skinnier? it can be that you are losing babyfat... |
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:37 pm |
Are you left-handed by any chance? Or do you sleep on one side more than the other?
You see, when you are 18 you are still growing and changing to become a mature adult self. So it can be a number of things that are going on in your body. But you will not be wrong if you look into facial exercises, it is harmless way to change/correct some features on the face if it bothers you. |
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Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:30 pm |
ella-stella wrote: |
Are you left-handed by any chance? Or do you sleep on one side more than the other?
You see, when you are 18 you are still growing and changing to become a mature adult self. So it can be a number of things that are going on in your body. But you will not be wrong if you look into facial exercises, it is harmless way to change/correct some features on the face if it bothers you. |
Thank you guys for responding lol. I'm right handed, and I do sleep on my right side more but I've been making conscious efforts to sleep on my back or left side, and I've been eating healthier. A few years ago my skin starting thinning, I got dark eye circles, you could see veins through my skin all of the sudden. It just doesn't seem normal this would happen so fast at this age..
I would like to look into facial exercises but I'm skeptical about it.. It seems like you'd diminish sagging but you might enhance lines. I should research it more though. The thing I want the most right now is to thicken the skin. |
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Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:04 pm |
Nikame, is your diet healthy?
As far as techniques for thickening the skin..a lot of people on the forum massage their face(some like it better than face exercises and others, like myself, do massage and facial exercises)Also some people find that dry brushing their face thickens their skin. Try these techniques for yourself and see what works or doesn't work for you. |
_________________ 71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:53 pm |
jasminerosey wrote: |
Nikame, is your diet healthy?
As far as techniques for thickening the skin..a lot of people on the forum massage their face(some like it better than face exercises and others, like myself, do massage and facial exercises)Also some people find that dry brushing their face thickens their skin. Try these techniques for yourself and see what works or doesn't work for you. |
Thank you, I'm so thankful when people reply because I hate checking back so often and seeing no replies lol. I've actually been a vegan since I was 14.. Might have something to do with it. Because then my acne came back, and a while after dark eye circles, la da da. But that could just be growing up right? I've decided to eat fish 3 days a week for a while to just see if anything changes. Also a week ago I started eating "raw," just a lot of raw vegetables, fruit and nuts. So my diet isn't terrible but I could be missing something.
I do massage my face a few times a week with emu oil. I would like to try facial dry brushing but I do exfoliate quite a bit, and was using a lot of glycolic acid a while back but I eased off of it because I thought I might be doing more damage than good. Facial exercises look interesting but I'm just really afraid of them lol.
I wish these problems werent so interestingly linked with veganism yet so close to the growing up, losing baby fat process lol. I used to get tested a lot for vitamin deficiencies and everything turned out great though. I think I'm due again.. |
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Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:16 am |
I would be careful with that vegan diet.A relative of mine was a vegan and she was so lacking in proper nutrition they wanted to give her a blood transfusion!Can you have whey? I have a whey shake(get one without aspartame...I think MRM is the only one) with a bananna and lots of raw spinach in it.....thats really good for your skin. |
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Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:40 am |
Nikame, I've been a vegan for 39 years and so has my husband. There's always so much controversy about what constitutes a healthy diet. but essentially it's important to get the nutrients your body needs in the way it uniquely needs it....for your health as well as your beauty.
Omega 3's are really important for example, in any diet for pretty plump/fat facial tissue and these components of the Omega 3's are present abundantly in chia seeds/oil (and to a large degree..but less than in chia...in hemp seeds/oil and to a lesser extent even..but still plentiful..in flax seeds/oil). (Other components of omega 3's that are present, for example in fatty fish like salmon, that are good for the brain, are not present in these seeds but there is a vegan supplement derived from algae that can supply that component.
My skin is sensitive so I don't 'do' anything to it (ie. massage, dry brushing, clarisonic, exfoliating washcloth, vaculift) everyday, especially in the winter, but do intutitively rotate all these techniques/gadgets a few times a week...meanwhile using oils/essential oils to rejuvenate,soothe, hydrate my skin. |
_________________ 71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:40 pm |
jasminerosey wrote: |
Nikame, I've been a vegan for 39 years and so has my husband. There's always so much controversy about what constitutes a healthy diet. but essentially it's important to get the nutrients your body needs in the way it uniquely needs it....for your health as well as your beauty.
Omega 3's are really important for example, in any diet for pretty plump/fat facial tissue and these components of the Omega 3's are present abundantly in chia seeds/oil (and to a large degree..but less than in chia...in hemp seeds/oil and to a lesser extent even..but still plentiful..in flax seeds/oil). (Other components of omega 3's that are present, for example in fatty fish like salmon, that are good for the brain, are not present in these seeds but there is a vegan supplement derived from algae that can supply that component.
My skin is sensitive so I don't 'do' anything to it (ie. massage, dry brushing, clarisonic, exfoliating washcloth, vaculift) everyday, especially in the winter, but do intutitively rotate all these techniques/gadgets a few times a week...meanwhile using oils/essential oils to rejuvenate,soothe, hydrate my skin. |
Thanks for responses guys! I'm very attached to veganism.. It just feels like my home. But I'm at this place where beauty might be even more important which makes me angry at myself. But I feel like I'll always go back to it anyway, eating meat feels like strange territory.
I actually, along with the eating well part, just stocked up on supplements from the health store. I got a vegan blend of omega 3s, vitamin D, and silica. I also have vitamin Bs and zinc. I guess I'll see how everything turns up once I get my blood work done. But yes, focusing on diet is probably the best beauty advice so this is what I'll be doing a lot more.
Also whey is derived from milk so it wouldn't be vegan, but green smoothies with spinach are something I reeaally need to start making lol. I think it might be easier to go wrong on a vegan diet, and being deficient for years would be terrible. I don't think that's me, I used to wish I was deficient so there would be a reason I had dark eye circles but I was always healthy lol. But I'll get tested to see.
I think the best thing when you have a beauty crisis is an optimistic attitude and a game plan lol. |
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Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:45 pm |
if you smoke a cigarette you are not a vegan, if you drive a car you are not a vegan and if you eat some breads you are not a vegan.All of these products involve animal products. |
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Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:47 pm |
lucyluc wrote: |
if you smoke a cigarette you are not a vegan, if you drive a car you are not a vegan and if you eat some breads you are not a vegan.All of these products involve animal products. |
Okay? I didn't mean to offend anyone by being a vegan? |
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Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:00 am |
Agh! I can't post pictures yet, so try this link without spaces please. i757.photobucket . com/albums/xx211/randomaccount1/cvxdbdg.jpg
Sorry to bring this back up again.. But I found some similar pictures so I could be more clear. See how it's not so much a nasal labial fold, but its like puffy around the mouth.. Except my problem is a lot worse than these girls lol. I still just wanted to know if anyone might know what it is, or if there's anything I can do about it, because it's still bothering me a lot and getting worse..
Do you think facial exercise would work? |
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:55 am |
Hi there, you could try the Ageless facial exercise programme (search in Google - Ageless if you Dare).
It focuses on building cheeks which might balance your face a little. Don't go wild on exercise, though. Too much can be well, too much.
Take a look at the Bone Facial Massage thread on the forum. It's free and lots of people love it. It's a lymphatic massage, but also affects skin for the better, and makes facial features smoother and more symmetrical.
Good luck! I also have overbuild around the mouth, so we're on a similar path. Although I am no longer in the first flush of youth (ahem)! |
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:46 pm |
piglet wrote: |
Hi there, you could try the Ageless facial exercise programme (search in Google - Ageless if you Dare).
It focuses on building cheeks which might balance your face a little. Don't go wild on exercise, though. Too much can be well, too much.
Take a look at the Bone Facial Massage thread on the forum. It's free and lots of people love it. It's a lymphatic massage, but also affects skin for the better, and makes facial features smoother and more symmetrical.
Good luck! I also have overbuild around the mouth, so we're on a similar path. Although I am no longer in the first flush of youth (ahem)! |
Thank you I will look into these things for sure. I'm pretty sure my left cheek's muscles are slightly more developed, so that could be why the right side of worse. And I can't wait to try out the bone facial massage. Also it's nice to know someone has something similar to me lol, I guess it's not that popular. Do you think it's just muscle, or fat, or even fluid? Have you ever noticeably improved it? I'm gonna go for a facial sometime soon and I'll see if the people there know anything about it. |
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:27 am |
ummm.. that is wonderful that you are a vegan - ...but EMU oil?????
Emus are killed for the oil (or at least their meat). But definitely a animal product!! And if you are vegan because you respect animals... you should really stop using this oil.
just my opinion... |
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:12 pm |
mb935 wrote: |
ummm.. that is wonderful that you are a vegan - ...but EMU oil?????
Emus are killed for the oil (or at least their meat). But definitely a animal product!! And if you are vegan because you respect animals... you should really stop using this oil.
just my opinion... |
I shouldn't have brought up the vegan thing lol. I really don't know what to call myself. Right now everything else is taking a backseat to whatever works for my skin to be honest. I still eat vegan, but things I use might not be vegan. That's hypocritical so I'll stop calling myself a vegan. The emu oil does get to me sometimes, and I feel bad about it, but I figure I'll stop using it in the future. I even said above that I might start eating fish for a while to see if anything changes. So consider me not vegan so we can please focus on the real topic.. I feel like I should just erase this whole board and start again lol. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:42 am |
jojoba, argan and hempseed oil (to name a few) are just as good if not better than emu |
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:00 am |
Nikume, don't worry about labelling yourself. It's fine to eat what you need to eat and use what you need to use for your health's sake. One of my co-workers was strictly vegan for a long time till she became pregnant with twins. She decided that she needed to consume animal protein, at least temporarily. She felt that it was still important to her to have a mainly vegan lifestyle and minimize her use of animal products, but she didn't worry about whether she wasn't a "true" vegan.
Good luck with your skin issues and let us know how you get on. |
_________________ Late 50's, fair warm-toned skin, dryish except in T zone; regular user of CSRx Vitamin C, Avene Diacneal, Avene tinosorb sunscreen, Pro Light LED, and experiments on and off with many products. |
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:54 am |
flitcraft wrote: |
Nikume, don't worry about labelling yourself. It's fine to eat what you need to eat and use what you need to use for your health's sake. One of my co-workers was strictly vegan for a long time till she became pregnant with twins. She decided that she needed to consume animal protein, at least temporarily. She felt that it was still important to her to have a mainly vegan lifestyle and minimize her use of animal products, but she didn't worry about whether she wasn't a "true" vegan.
Good luck with your skin issues and let us know how you get on. |
Thank you for your support! Didn't think the vegan thing would bother anyone. I guess I put it out there in case someone might be like "I had the same thing! When I started eating meat again it went away!" Lol. I will let you know if it improves but it's not looking good. |
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