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Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:23 am  |
Like many of you, I have tried facial exericse, Baby Quasar, Derma Roller etc but did not see any big improvement. I came across the Tanaka massage while browsing an online bookstore in China. At first, I don't have much expectation, I own too many beauty books, I read but never try anything seriously in my life. These facial books, DVDs are very cheap to get in China, just a few USD or even less.
I bought the Tanaka book is because of the before/after pictures after 5 minutes massage. Tanaka looks very young, can you believe she is 60+? I thought she is 40+. I viewed the DVD once and followed the book for the 1st massage, and WOW!!! I looked so much better in 5 mins.
two before&after pics near the bottom of the Chinese to English translation of Yukuko Tanaka's book blurb
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en%26sl=zh-CN%26tl=en%26u=http%3A%2F%2Fgouwu.wangchao.net.cn%2Fdetail_626417.html
(à la moonstone)
I have been doing the massage in morning and evening for 7 months now. I have shared my before/after photos with people here. (no longer share, please don't ask) I am in my 40s, the overall comment here is I'm in my 20s, and I believe they just want to make me happy, I think I'm more like 30+, but happy for that.
Tanaka massage is created by a Japanese beautician, Yukuko Tanaka. This program has sold 1 million copies in Japan. As far as I know, there are Japanese and Chinese versions available in the market. The quality of the book and DVD are very good for both version.
Our original discussion is getting very confusing, please check if you're interested:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=35925 |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:28 am |
Let's get started, have your massage cream or oil ready:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/1X8iUmxuQvc/
The Tanaka massage has 11 steps:
Warm-up exercise to prompt the flow of lymph
STEP1 Improve the swelling of the forehead and the wrinkles between the eyebrows
STEP2 Remove the swelling around the eyes and improve the puffy eyes
STEP3 Pushing up the downside mouth corners
STEP4 Remove the blots on the nostrils and make the bridge of your nose higher
STEP5 Remove the deep nasolabial grooves and left up the entire cheeks
STEP6 Remove the nasolabial groove in a focused way
STEP7 Remove the fat beside the nasal wings not to make the nasolabial grooves appear
STEP8-1 Dissolve the sags in the areas between the cheekbones and the chin
STEP8-2 Remove the “bulldog line”
STEP9 Remove a double chin and tighten a vague face line
STEP10 Pull up the whole facial sag
STEP11 Erase the transverse wrinkling on the forehead |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:41 am |
Common mistakes (please view the video):
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/udVpsMWKljc/
1. 20.20 shows how to position your palm correctly. Your hands should be touching your nose and push upwards.
2. 20.53 shows how to glide down correctly from your ear to collar. Your face will sag if you do it wrong, 21.21 to 21.28 is a incorrect position. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:45 am |
This is from Tanaka's book:
1. What does this massage has to do with muscle, bone & lymph drainage?
Tanaka was once a make-up artist for film and TV. She noticed that many people at their 40+ can keep a very good look body but they can't do much for their face. Her role was to make sure people look young and fresh in front of the screen, so she tried aesthetic facial massage before applying make-up for them but did not work. She spent many years to learn about the inter-relation of skin / muscle / bone / lymph. Finally, she developed the Tanaka massage.
2. What is the difference between Tanaka massage and aesthetic facial massage?
The normal aesthetic facial massage is gentle making circular movement on the skin. The Tanaka massage is using the 10 fingers + palms, with lots of pressure. Many steps are involving in push-up your muscle and bone. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:54 am |
I should mention this at the beginning.
As per Tanaka users request, this thread is for users to share their result and techniques, not for any company or individual to take this opportunitiy to promote their program.
Thank you for your co-operation and understanding. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:58 am |
Is the bone massage the one in the videos or is that something else? I'd love to see written instructions for that.
Also what are the creams that are recommended for this, I think it will be helpful to have links.
Does she have suggestions for haircare also?
I never knew that about Tanaka and her former career - thanks Critic. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:59 am |
| Just wanted to repost from the other thread that Tanaka sees a Bone Specialist Doctor (who I'm guessing is kind of like a chiropracter) and does Kendo every day (a sword fiting fitness thing I believe). |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:04 am |
Excerpt from http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://gouwu.wangchao.net.cn/detail_626417.html
"The method advocated by everyday persist with their own hands to create the face of age, the way the law along the facial massage facial muscles and fat bones push through facial lymphatic excess fat and waste excreted."
The translation into English isn't reliable but one can get the idea of what is going on.
But what has gotten my alarm bells ringing is the above.
My face is already sculpted and doesn't have enough fat on it - should I avoid doing the Tanaka massage for fear of my face becoming more gaunt? (I have NL lines and a small amount of muscle overbuild from facial exercise that I'm trying to soften.) |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:09 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Is the bone massage the one in the videos or is that something else? I'd love to see written instructions for that.
Also what are the creams that are recommended for this, I think it will be helpful to have links.
Does she have suggestions for haircare also?
I never knew that about Tanaka and her former career - thanks Critic. |
The bone massage program is not Tanaka Massage, it is another program that I bought in Tokyo in October 2009. I don't know we should call it massage, it actually has nothing to do with massage. It uses your fingers or hands to press, push or scrap a focus area.
e.g. use your palms to push the cheekbone up. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:16 am |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
Excerpt from http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://gouwu.wangchao.net.cn/detail_626417.html
"The method advocated by everyday persist with their own hands to create the face of age, the way the law along the facial massage facial muscles and fat bones push through facial lymphatic excess fat and waste excreted."
The translation into English isn't reliable but one can get the idea of what is going on.
But what has gotten my alarm bells ringing is the above.
My face is already sculpted and doesn't have enough fat on it - should I avoid doing the Tanaka massage for fear of my face becoming more gaunt? (I have NL lines and a small amount of muscle overbuild from facial exercise that I'm trying to soften.) |
From my understanding, it means to get rid of the 'dirt' from the body, for those who have excess fat = dirt. Take myself as example, I found the massage has soften my features.
Jean Lee has successfully reduced her N/L lines by Tanaka massage + change of diet etc. Let's invite her to share the details. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:27 am |
The below is quoted from neondaze, and I'm 100% agreed!
Also, for what it's worth in my opinion the Tanaka massage is not simply a lymphatic massage, it also incorporates acupressure and elements of 'bone massage'. That is why it works so much better than just a straightforward lymphatic massage. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:14 am |
Hi there,
Will somebody PM me on how to post pictures? I'll post how my NL's have come along in the 2 weeks since I've incorporated the Zogan/ Tanaka massage. (Sorry, no before pictures though.) Thanks!
Jean |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:16 am |
I have no fat at all on my face..I am pretty slim in body (168 cm/55 kg). I never used any facial exercise except two months of Tuo Viso. I am trying to do some right now for my eyes only, because I don't want to lose good results from TV. I have round face and it may look that I have some fat, but that's just because of the shape (which I never liked so I hardly wait if I can improve something in direction to be more oval)
So let see what is going to happen... I am volunteer to that. I certainly don't want to look gaunt, I want my face more oval, gentle and with soft lines.
I also have a problem with nasolabial folds and pouches near the mouth so I think that I am ideal candidate for trying and see some (good) I hope before and after. I already took some before pics, so let's wait for some time to pass to see "after" one. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:41 am |
thank you critic for bringing this therapeutic and natural method of anti aging system to us! its wonderful! i've only been practicing for several days, but i already see the difference. best of all, its a health and natural method, and free!!!  i love it! thank you. thank you. thank you.
i'm still going to reread the original thread (have you heard of bone facial exercise) to see if i missed anything, and the chinese medicine thread to get more tips on health. i really loved the hair brushing for a healthier scalp and thicker hair! |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:42 am |
Ok Critic,
I am following this thread since the start and I am doing Tanaka massage for few weeks now, daily.
I do believe in it!
I do not want my face to sag as I lost a little bit of wheight and I am quite tall and slim, and in my 40's.So, this summer I saw my cheeks sagging, making some bags on my jaw line, at the corners of the chin, and puffy eyes.Beside the fact that I do have some sty in my eyes and I can not get rid of them(started in the summer and still two small ones in my interior eye lid, which get active whenever they feel like it, LOL)which creates the bags under my eyes very swollen, I do think that is the area where I need lots of work.
However, I do have a question: when you lift/push your cheek muscle, do you have to focus on holding the muscle up or towards your inner eye? They do slide as I use oil for this massage. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:57 am |
| JLM wrote: |
Hi there,
Will somebody PM me on how to post pictures? I'll post how my NL's have come along in the 2 weeks since I've incorporated the Zogan/ Tanaka massage. (Sorry, no before pictures though.) Thanks!
Jean |
Here we go for Jean
| JLM wrote: |
Because this is a new EDS username, Toby has generously offered to post the link to my photobucket account so that anyone who's interested can take a look at my NL photo.
The image is reversed, so that the NL line on the right is on the left side of my face.
This picture was taken about 2 weeks after beginning the Tanaka/ Zogan massage-- sorry I don't have any before pics. My skin is in horrible shape right now-- hopefully it will eventually clear. (I just bought the book, "The Japanese Skincare Revolution" by Chizu Saeki. Lots of good advice & commonsense. She says that it takes about 3 months after changing one's diet before the changes are evident in one's skin. Only 2 more months to go then!)
I feel that this picture gives a pretty accurate representation of what my NL's look like right now. (Though at very close range!) They are still visible, and I would like to completely eradicate them! Still, they are much better than before, much less deep.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I once had Radiesse put in in the NL's, less than an entire syringe for both sides. So they were not that deep to begin with, but at this point, I don't think that I would be a candidate for filler.
I plan to continue the massage & the facial exercises that target this area-- Top Furrow Adv from FE in particular. However, I'm becoming a little wary about incorporating the lower face exercises, since I'm thinking that it's just too easy for muscles to build up that area & develop "mouth pouches" and such. I'll probably end up doing them just every once in a while.
Also, I feel the green smoothies have been really helpful in detoxing. (Though I believe that the smoothies have also been the primary factor behind the spots! Again, 2 more months to go!)
At this point, I feel that if I could just get some more sleep, my NL problem would be mostly solved... unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. So, I'll just keep on working with what I've got & see what happens! I will post again with an updated picture if there is any more marked improvement. |
Okay here we go, this is JLM and she is looking good!!!!
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:04 am |
Critic,
I cannot thank you enough for sharing with all of us this extremely helpful information! Thank you for all your research! It is very generous and kind of you, since it is very time consuming and you are a busy person. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:15 am |
| I couldn't agree more! Critic, you go out of your way to share so many wonderful things with us. Thank you so much! ~ JJ |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:22 am |
| doinita wrote: |
However, I do have a question: when you lift/push your cheek muscle, do you have to focus on holding the muscle up or towards your inner eye? They do slide as I use oil for this massage. |
Well, are your pressure is hard enough? It seems to me that this could be the reason of sliding your fingers. Also maybe the oil is to slippery...I tried avocado oil and found out that hemp oil is better for this massage for me. Maybe massage cream will be better, but I haven't any.
I think that you have to find a way to hold your cheek in that position for a few seconds - it is important step. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:28 am |
| Also just wanted to say a huge "Thank You" to Critic for all the fantastic info here THANK YOUUUUU. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:28 am |
| Toby wrote: |
Okay here we go, this is JLM and she is looking good!!!!
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Thanks! It can be seen that NF issue is going on better. Very encouraging for all of us |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:49 am |
Is the type of cream you use for massaging important? I have a tendency toward oily skin so the creams I have are not particularly thick although I do have coconut oil and jojoba so could use one of those - but then maybe too much slip?
Also - Is everyone clear on where the pressure is to be in the massage? I tend to guess based upon what I think the drainage is supposed to be doing and the pathway the fingers take. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:53 am |
| I use various oils and they work very well for me but i don't have problem with breakouts. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:08 pm |
| I've been trying a variety of creams. Another option might be to use your cleanser as Critic mentioned that she is using her Obagi Nu-derm cleansing gel when doing the massage. |
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