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My Obagi nuderm diary...with follow up :)

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Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:31 pm      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
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Riley and anyone else that had issues with fingernails turning orange/brown....

Did the onset of the discolored nail suddenly appear in a matter of a week? And was it only on the nails exposed to the product or was it on all nails (indicating some transdermal asborption and discoloring from the nail bed vs a staining from physical contact)?


I had the yellow discoloration on the nails from the HQ and that appears fairly quickly. The brown nail that I got (which was very dark brown) took 3 months to show up. I only developed that on 1 nail.


Riley--do you think you would have still gotten the brown nail had you worn latex gloves or something?
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Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:00 pm      Reply with quote
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Riley--do you think you would have still gotten the brown nail had you worn latex gloves or something?


I do think I would have gotten the brown nail. My liver enzymes were elevated along with having the brown nail (and this has happened several times with the brown nail/elevate liver enzymes). I am not quite sure how that relates to the brown nail, but since I found that to be the case, I always use the brown nail as a clue to when I need to stop the products (I still do yearly cycles on Nu Derm, and just stop when the 1 nail goes brown.)
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Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:41 pm      Reply with quote
Obagi ,want to try!
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I started my Obagi Nuderm tonight. I just applied 1 gram of Clear and after 5 minutes I mixed up 0.5 gram of Blender and 0.5 gram of Retin A 0.05% and rubbed till it got absorbed. By the end of rubbing and absorption, the product got balled up a little. I am wondering if I am doing it right ...
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Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:55 pm      Reply with quote
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I started my Obagi Nuderm tonight. I just applied 1 gram of Clear and after 5 minutes I mixed up 0.5 gram of Blender and 0.5 gram of Retin A 0.05% and rubbed till it got absorbed. By the end of rubbing and absorption, the product got balled up a little. I am wondering if I am doing it right ...


You are doing it right, but you don't need to wait any length of time after the Clear to apply the other products. Just make sure you rub the Clear in totally and then you can apply the RA/Blender. Are you using the cream version of the RA or a gel?
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Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:03 pm      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
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I started my Obagi Nuderm tonight. I just applied 1 gram of Clear and after 5 minutes I mixed up 0.5 gram of Blender and 0.5 gram of Retin A 0.05% and rubbed till it got absorbed. By the end of rubbing and absorption, the product got balled up a little. I am wondering if I am doing it right ...


Oh thanks so much for replying. Yes I got the cream version. I think I learn how to do things as I go along. Do I have to follow the same steps tomorrow replacing Blender/Retina A with Exfoderm?

You are doing it right, but you don't need to wait any length of time after the Clear to apply the other products. Just make sure you rub the Clear in totally and then you can apply the RA/Blender. Are you using the cream version of the RA or a gel?
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Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:09 pm      Reply with quote
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Oh thanks so much for replying. Yes I got the cream version. I think I learn how to do things as I go along. Do I have to follow the same steps tomorrow replacing Blender/Retina A with Exfoderm?



Yep, same deal, rub in the product really well, and then go on to the next step. Good luck!
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I have a question. I got the impression that I should not use a moisturizer... but a sunblock. I am using Neutogena Healthy Defense SPF 45 daily moisutrizer ... is it ok to use this product or do I have to use something else? .... questions questions questions ...
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I have a question. I got the impression that I should not use a moisturizer... but a sunblock. I am using Neutogena Healthy Defense SPF 45 daily moisutrizer ... is it ok to use this product or do I have to use something else? .... questions questions questions ...


You are correct. No moisturizers on Nu Derm. You are defeating the entire purpose of Nu Derm when you do that. (Nu Derm does have a product that you can use sparingly if your skin is having a hard time adjusting to the products, but only sparingly and only when truly needed.) The active ingredients in the Nu Derm products are taking your skin back to a healthy state where you will not need a moisturizer twice a day, or even daily. Your Neutrogena sunscreen is fine, as long as it is protecting you. (If you freckle/tan through that sunscreen, then it is not protecting you and you should find another sunscreen.)
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:06 am      Reply with quote
Hi Kristy,
I wanted to comment on the brown nail thing. When I first started using the Nuderm products a year ago, I had two nails on my left hand that became discolored, but I didn't realize that I needed to wash my hands after applying the products with HQ in them.

When I went for a manicure, the discoloration could easily be buffed out and when I started washing my hands afterwards, my nails did not become discolored.

I never had enzyme levels checked like Rileygirl did. However, I think my discoloration occurred because of the oxidation.

Just my thoughts...

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Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:15 am      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
micka686 wrote:
I have a question. I got the impression that I should not use a moisturizer... but a sunblock. I am using Neutogena Healthy Defense SPF 45 daily moisutrizer ... is it ok to use this product or do I have to use something else? .... questions questions questions ...


You are correct. No moisturizers on Nu Derm. You are defeating the entire purpose of Nu Derm when you do that. (Nu Derm does have a product that you can use sparingly if your skin is having a hard time adjusting to the products, but only sparingly and only when truly needed.) The active ingredients in the Nu Derm products are taking your skin back to a healthy state where you will not need a moisturizer twice a day, or even daily. Your Neutrogena sunscreen is fine, as long as it is protecting you. (If you freckle/tan through that sunscreen, then it is not protecting you and you should find another sunscreen.)


But isn't sunscreen a moisturizer??? I don't understand it ...
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:55 am      Reply with quote
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But isn't sunscreen a moisturizer??? I don't understand it ...


I guess it could be moisturizing, but the main purpose of a sunscreen is to protect your skin from the sun, and not to provide moisture to your skin.
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:58 am      Reply with quote
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Hi Kristy,
I wanted to comment on the brown nail thing. When I first started using the Nuderm products a year ago, I had two nails on my left hand that became discolored, but I didn't realize that I needed to wash my hands after applying the products with HQ in them.

When I went for a manicure, the discoloration could easily be buffed out and when I started washing my hands afterwards, my nails did not become discolored.

I never had enzyme levels checked like Rileygirl did. However, I think my discoloration occurred because of the oxidation.

Just my thoughts...


I agree. I think 99.9% of users will just have the staining from the hydroquinone on their nails. All of my other nails that were discolored (lightly) could be buffed out. What happened to my 1 nail was not the discoloration you get when you use HQ; I developed 1 almost black nail. I don't think anyone needs to worry about this at all. It is very rare.
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:01 am      Reply with quote
Thanks for all the responses regarding the nail discoloration. Yet another step to the obagi routine....
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:16 pm      Reply with quote
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You are doing it right, but you don't need to wait any length of time after the Clear to apply the other products. Just make sure you rub the Clear in totally and then you can apply the RA/Blender. Are you using the cream version of the RA or a gel?


Is it just me, or does the Clear absorb pretty quickly into skin? I don't have to keep rubbing if it absorbs and dries up almost immediately, correct?
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:27 pm      Reply with quote
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rileygirl wrote:

You are doing it right, but you don't need to wait any length of time after the Clear to apply the other products. Just make sure you rub the Clear in totally and then you can apply the RA/Blender. Are you using the cream version of the RA or a gel?


Is it just me, or does the Clear absorb pretty quickly into skin? I don't have to keep rubbing if it absorbs and dries up almos t immediately, correct?


Hi Acta,
I suppose it would depend on your skin's ability to absorb the product as to how long you need to rub it in. If the Clear absorbs quickly, then you're ready to move on to the next product.

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Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:31 pm      Reply with quote
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rileygirl wrote:

You are doing it right, but you don't need to wait any length of time after the Clear to apply the other products. Just make sure you rub the Clear in totally and then you can apply the RA/Blender. Are you using the cream version of the RA or a gel?


Is it just me, or does the Clear absorb pretty quickly into skin? I don't have to keep rubbing if it absorbs and dries up almost immediately, correct?


What I've noticed is that the Blender/Retin-A absorbs like water on my face... zoooom!

No, you don't have to keep on rubbing it after it is absorbed.
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:35 am      Reply with quote
I'm just the opposite on product absorption. The Clear takes me about 3 minutes to rub in and the blender/tret 5-6 minutes. The clear is balling up on me by the time I finish rubbing it in.
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Since I started using Obagi 3 weeks ago, light brown spots and freckles are appearing that were not there before. Please tell me this is normal and will disappear. Sad
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Since I started using Obagi 3 weeks ago, light brown spots and freckles are appearing that were not there before. Please tell me this is normal and will disappear. Sad


I haven't heard anyone report New spots. However, your old spots definitely can get darker before they start fading away. What sunscreen are you wearing, and are you using all the products?
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acta5534 wrote:
Since I started using Obagi 3 weeks ago, light brown spots and freckles are appearing that were not there before. Please tell me this is normal and will disappear. Sad


I haven't heard anyone report New spots. However, your old spots definitely can get darker before they start fading away. What sunscreen are you wearing, and are you using all the products?


Hi,
I'm not using sunscreen. I just wear a large hat when I go outdoors. I'm using all the products in the nu-derm regimen, except for cleanser and toner. Is it possible that these spots were there but were very light and I didn't notice them? I hope that's the case.
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:53 pm      Reply with quote
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Hi,
I'm not using sunscreen. I just wear a large hat when I go outdoors. I'm using all the products in the nu-derm regimen, except for cleanser and toner. Is it possible that these spots were there but were very light and I didn't notice them? I hope that's the case.


The products will make your skin more sun sensitive, and without wearing a sunscreen to protect your skin, that is why you are getting new spots! You must wear a good sunscreen if you are using the Nu Derm products. If you don't want to use a sunscreen, I would sugest you to stop all the Nu Derm products.
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Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:29 pm      Reply with quote
Oh my goodness, Acta! You've got to wear sunscreen while on Nuderm and even when you're not!! Putting sunscreen on has become second nature to me. Even if I'm planning on being indoors most of the day, I still put it on.

There are some current sunscreen threads on EDS right now. You might want to check them out.

Rileygirl's right. There's no purpose in doing Nuderm if you don't use sunscreen.

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Acta, Kims and Riley are right. With Nuderm you are trying to get rid of hyperpigmentation because of sun exposure. If you are not going to protect your face from the sun with a sunscreen then there is no point and your face will get worse because the RA will make you more sensitive to the sun. A wide hat is not enough protection.
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Would any brand of sunscreen work just fine with the Obagi Nuderm regimen?

Do I apply the sunscreen before or after the Clear/Exfoderm? Do I need to wait a certain length of time between applications?
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