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Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:18 pm |
Kassy_A wrote: |
What would really be refreshing to me, is a little honesty from folks like Deb, Lou Lou, Carol Maggio etc.. and anybody else with a vested interest in facial exercise programs.. (LouLou is the most forthcoming in my opinion.)
Does anybody here really believe that any of them use no other measures but facial exercise to retain the *youthful* look?
Is it only everybody else on the planet that also needs tools, gadgets, fillers and a cosmetic tweaking here or there, in addition to the exercise? And even after all that, the search continues. Lots of members here swear by facial exercise, but I don't recall even one of them who doesn't have several other things in their bag of tricks.
I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added".. |
Ditto to Kassy - I've had a pet peeve for a little while about facial exercises. I'm not tied to a specific program like some of the trainers and trainers to-be. I like the idea of incorporating different methods and feel it has been a valuable part of my progress. Most anyone who has done these for a while will tell you the same. I have yet to hear anyone who trains, etc for a specific facial exercise line(except LouLou) admit to using any other exercises (AT ALL!) except the ones in their specific program. My comment is this seems so limiting and almost unbelievable when we all know that with skincare we tend to have more than one program or items that we love, with body exercises we change it around... And how can you be someone so interested, so involved and so incredibly into facial exercise and NOT want to incorporate other facial exercises from other sources. I do pilates, but I also do yoga, I lift weights and I also run....
I have to restate Kassy ...I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added"..[/ |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:26 pm |
This probably isn't the thread to ask but since it is getting promotion anyway... When is the New Book out for FE?
Will there be a discounted version for the oldsters? or do we have to start over and buy it all from scratch? |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:19 am |
I do not think there is one magic bullet. First off I think it is best to do facial exercise every other day no matter what kind you are doing. I have no experience to state that on only that when you go to the gym and are working certain muscle groups, you work one set of muscle groups one day and then another set the next day so the muscles have a rest in between. I am just starting facial exercise so I am certainly no expert. I do however use my Tua Viso and Face Master on in between days. Alternating between the to. I also work in my Quasar light treatment and I have the STOP. I also exclusively use Dr. Perricones vitamins and topicals and I eat a very healthy diet. So you are right there are many things to be incorporated in to looking good not just one thing.Even if you had the best plastic surgeon in the world work on you if you abused yourself in other ways the results would not last. |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:14 am |
Kassy_A wrote: |
KayS wrote: |
Give me an example of some "facial issues" by doing the FE program. |
Pouches outside of mouth
Masculine looking jawline
Crepy undereyes from massage
Lines where none were previously
These are just a few observations I recall hearing repeatedly, I'm probably missing some. |
So much in this thread. I'll try to address from a General standpoint.
Pouches: usually happen for 1 of 2 reasons.
A person is Grabbing and Pinching the muscle at it's origin, preventing an elongation, Then forcing the muscle to contract, causing a little marble to build just outside the mouth.
(which then requires allowing the muscle to atrophy to get rid of). If you think about it. There is NO exercise program in the world (body wise) that has you bind the muscle then contract it. (sister brought up yoga, pilates, weightlifting. Yes, all spectacular. All work the muscle to and from and elongated position.)
The other reason, tends to be that the risorius gains strength, and pulls the mouth up, FASTER than sagging skin can retract and tighten, also generally faster than the buccs (as the buccs catch up they will assist in pressing out any lines). This is when a person generally needs some guidance. The solutions are many, depending on personal situation.
Masculine looking jaw: This would generally refer to a woman who's building her masseter beyond the degree of attractive (from a social perspective) Some may be predisposed to fast muscle growth. Or just naturally have a wide jaw. ONE must really pay close attn. to their own development. If you look at professional body builders, especially men that use steriods you will see that masseters can actually be developed to a freakish stage. Like little fists ready to fight at the side of their mouth. I would liken this to do ing squats, and the butt blaster at the gym. If you have lean muscle, you will struggle to develop definition. If you are thick, you must exercise judgment to not over develop if that's not your preferred look, or if you are competing and symmetry is 30% of your score.
Crepe under eyes from massage: This usually happens when the tissue is already quite aged (I know you don't want to hear it, but lifestyle shows here the most), and is then over taxed. Massage is something to work up to. Just like for the body. If you hammer a body that is tight and knotted the next day it will hurt like no ones business. Should you tax it day in and day out. Well, when does it have time to recoup? Again, judgment is necessary. We just had a person post about how she hammered her eyes and looked really bad for 2 days then looked great.She just learned her current threshold. It's now important that she work within that. I suspect she will.
Lines that were not there before: Often has to do with NOT remembering they were there, because prior to working the face, skin was hanging. Where there is sag, there is generally a line visually buried under the hanging skin. It's probably even hard to see when you lift the skin, because you're probably also giving just enough stretch to smooth things out. Who hasn't pulled at their face at their hair line to see it all come back to what your memory tells you is right? Lifting the sag (which is a great first step) often reveals what was there all along. Which can be disheartening. It' progress, but it's still a line. That can be tough to swallow. Kind of like gaining muscle when you're still fat. You weigh more, you look swollen for some reason. But if you stop, back to fat. If you keep going, and trust that muscle burns fat, then the fat goes and you start carving out. (If you reveal a body type you don't like, well, that's DNA for you. But you can likely sculpt, but it takes time...) It can be a slooooowwww process. (if you can't wait, head for a needle or a knife. They are legit options.)
And while we're at it... let me list 2 more that I can think of...
A cave man brow line: Yep, the exercises are working. But STOP already. The goal isn't to look freakish. If you can build a brow line to prehistoric ages. GREAT. But Don'T!!!! Not pretty. But pressing out those 11's WAH HOO! Slow down just short of that. It's maintenance time.
And my favorite description of all
MONKEY MOUTH: YES, the muscles are working!!!! That's awesome. But please! Lay off. We're not looking to prove Darwin right with this. But the fabulous news is that you CAN work the obicularis enough to add some pump to the lips, stop your lipstick from taking off on all routes fast away from your teeth!
All of these "Problems" are evidence that Facial Exercises work. How to address them is where a novice might need some guidance... and SHOULD ASK. The biggest problem is not paying attn to the old adage "less is more". Then more must be better right??? It's the same as plastic surg. A person can go get a lift, or a little injection. And they look fab. But then they get nutz, and their lips are bigger than anything natural, they have staples at the back of the scalp. Their eyes can barely shut. It's all about moderation. With Facial Exercises, the results are slower, but you don't risk sedation, poor healing, or a bad artist. You are placing your face into YOUR OWN hands. But you need to learn your anatomy. Just like you do in body building. Because if you don't you risk asymmetry. Just like body building.
Ok, off to other parts of this thread... Hope this was general enough for you! |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:32 am |
Kassy_A wrote: |
What would really be refreshing to me, is a little honesty from folks like Deb, Lou Lou, Carol Maggio etc.. and anybody else with a vested interest in facial exercise programs.. (LouLou is the most forthcoming in my opinion.)
Does anybody here really believe that any of them use no other measures but facial exercise to retain the *youthful* look?
Is it only everybody else on the planet that also needs tools, gadgets, fillers and a cosmetic tweaking here or there, in addition to the exercise? And even after all that, the search continues. Lots of members here swear by facial exercise, but I don't recall even one of them who doesn't have several other things in their bag of tricks.
I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added".. |
Wow... this cracks me up. I HOPE you really think Deb has had some sort of surg. What a compliment. But truly, She IS aging. Perhaps a bit more gracefully than others. But, (sorry mom), she doesn't look like she's in her 30's, or 40's and well to me she was younger looking in her 50's so, she doesn't look like she's in her 50's TOO ME. To me, she is What a natural looking 60 y/o looks like.
We do have a thread on our site that FE's list their full regimine. (mine looks like a crazy person wrote it... )
Deb's still does pretty much what she has in her book.
FE (every morning), Retin-A (she's been using for about 30 years now), I was at her house last week, and notice some Jan Marini (sp), something that didn't look like a name brand (and enzyme wash that I want more info on), some NCN (as Sean and I got her HOOKED!), a drawer full of cosmetics (I think I'm just going to have to clean that our for her),oh, and some Tums!
She does have facials fairly regular (I'm jealous).
She has never had an injection/filler. Nor has a scalpel ever touched her face. It's almost kind of sad. She started Facial Exercises, and she'll admit it, out of sheer vanity. And now that it's her business and she can finally afford to do so, she can't do things that she might do otherwise to STAY younger looking.
It might surprise many that it's really my sister and I that are more into the "natural" stuff. Deb's more about "getting the job done". She just doesn't do it (fillers and such)... as she doesn't want to jeopardize the integrity of the business. We can't help it if she still looks good, and people don't want to believe it. That's their loss. |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:33 am |
sister sweets wrote: |
Kassy_A wrote: |
What would really be refreshing to me, is a little honesty from folks like Deb, Lou Lou, Carol Maggio etc.. and anybody else with a vested interest in facial exercise programs.. (LouLou is the most forthcoming in my opinion.)
Does anybody here really believe that any of them use no other measures but facial exercise to retain the *youthful* look?
Is it only everybody else on the planet that also needs tools, gadgets, fillers and a cosmetic tweaking here or there, in addition to the exercise? And even after all that, the search continues. Lots of members here swear by facial exercise, but I don't recall even one of them who doesn't have several other things in their bag of tricks.
I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added".. |
Ditto to Kassy - I've had a pet peeve for a little while about facial exercises. I'm not tied to a specific program like some of the trainers and trainers to-be. I like the idea of incorporating different methods and feel it has been a valuable part of my progress. Most anyone who has done these for a while will tell you the same. I have yet to hear anyone who trains, etc for a specific facial exercise line(except LouLou) admit to using any other exercises (AT ALL!) except the ones in their specific program. My comment is this seems so limiting and almost unbelievable when we all know that with skincare we tend to have more than one program or items that we love, with body exercises we change it around... And how can you be someone so interested, so involved and so incredibly into facial exercise and NOT want to incorporate other facial exercises from other sources. I do pilates, but I also do yoga, I lift weights and I also run....
I have to restate Kassy ...I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added"..[/ |
The way you state your thread Sister, makes it a bit touchy to even address. I'm not interested in stating what I like and dislike about other programs. If a person wants my personal coaching or that of another trainer, they are more than welcome to approach us on our forum. A more approriate format I'm sure we can all agree.
Now, with regards to others admitting that they trained in others programs. Hmmm... you state LL did that, I saw it NO WHERE in her book. Please point me to the page. 10 years from now, no one will know her origins. Just like all the others.
In fact, it's often humerous to hear people bring up that they bought (xyz program, and found that half the material was re-named exercises from FE and usually CM, oh, with a weird tweak. Then they ask US what the "tweak" is for. Jeez... seriously??? Copyright! Many of the tweaks serve no other purpose. They don't do any damage either...)
Many of today's current facial exercise programs borrow from others. That's bound to happen. How many different Pilates methods are there today? I can remember when Pilates was chasing every single company that used their name in any format with lawyers... What a drag.
For the record, LL's program is nothing like ours at all. I don't want it said that I'm accusing her of taking anything. I'm not. The bulk of it is not something we do. And I'm sorry, nor that we recommend. If people are getting results they like. That is fantastic. They found the right thing for themselves.
I'm not into power lifting either. And I'm approaching Kettlebells with a very modest approach, as I'm not sure it fully offers the build that I like on my body.
I can only speak for myself when I say, I don't recommend other programs, as I don't see the need for it when I'm doing FE. I certainly don't practice any other programs. I know how to hit the muscles of the face from every angle. I'm also NOT looking in the mirror everyday wishing to correct something. I'm quite happy with my face. If my client wants to go try something else. By all means. They should do it. It's their face. And if nothing else, one should always feel free to experiment. That's how I'm even to the point I am. It's not like I'm training anyone here for the face Olympics.
The hard part that comes, seemingly with the introduction of every new program, is when our clients return with a developmental issue that we're not familiar with... and they want us to correct, or at least aid in doing so.And lately take our advise back to those that are also asking but don't want to come to us directly. It's annoying. Surely anyone that works hard at their job understands that. Furthermore, I'm not going to start teaching another person's copyrighted material, even if I become versed in it. But you must realize, for me, FE is my business. I'm a specialist, not a generalist... and my specialty serves me quite well or I would be out there looking for something more.
You mention that you do several types of body work. That's great, and it obviously fits your style. However, when a person is hard core into a type of training they rarely deviate. Unless, there is a proven reason to do so.
Many athletes when injured will turn to swimming. Swimmers, when injured, turn to rest. Many gymnasts will take ballet to add some grace. Short of just being interested, NO BALLET dancer would turn to gymnastics. I don't think that any of the above mentioned people would suggest that the other sports or activities are not true sports or activities. It's just NOT THEIR THING... they don't recommend, not with comprehensive knowledge. How could they, with any sort if integrity? |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:34 am |
Well..............she doesn't look like any other 60 yr. old I've ever seen.
Not unless they've had some kind of procedure done.
Her skin looks amazing and lineless, but you see her up close and personal, so I don't know what your basis is for comparison, that you say she looks like a 60 yr old, Claudia! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:40 am |
May I push the envelope here, and ask why you stated you don't recommend LL's program, Claudia? I mean, obviously, you are not going to endorse someone else's program, but I take your post to mean you wouldn't recommend this particular type of exercise.
Is it all the squeezing of the muscles versus pulling and contracting???
Linda |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:42 am |
sister sweets wrote: |
This probably isn't the thread to ask but since it is getting promotion anyway... When is the New Book out for FE?
Will there be a discounted version for the oldsters? or do we have to start over and buy it all from scratch? |
We will post on our site when the new book is ready. It's in edits. But we have the whole pkg to deal with. I'll leave it to a follower to come announce the new book. (I find it hard enough to offer educated answers without someone stamping their feet that I must be advertising.)
I won't detail the new book here at all... people keep asking for a discount. Much to mull over. |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:53 am |
hahaha... Linda... You know, my mother's face is etched in my mind... and she looks about 32. Ummm that's 6 years younger than me now! So, when I see her, she looks older.(yeah, she looks better than most women her age when standing side by side... it's weird) You know how that is? Like when you go to a high school reunion... who ARE all these old people??? Weren't they 18 just last week?
Yes, you pushed the envelope... Just as with FE, some will like her approach, others wont. Her approach is hers to explain. As I said, if you want personal training, get to where you need to go on the net.. and send me a PM... We can discuss personal strategy from my perspective there. |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:26 am |
Hmmmm....
Ageless and Flex Effect (I have both programs and do Ageless regularly and am beginning to incorporate some of the FE exercises), to my understanding, both work with the full range of motion of the muscle involved...
while in body training I'm very oriented toward programs that either include both full range movement and partial range movement of the muscle involved (I like Margaret Richards 'Body Electric' for incorporating both full and partial muscle movement training)...or only partial range movement of the muscle ( I like Callanetics Evolution for this..and am also really interested in Ttapp which I believe also essentially uses small partial movement of the muscle)..
so I'm also interested in a program that would utilize partial movement of the facial muscles as well as full movement.
Since I don't know of any existing facial training programs that do this..I'm thinking of experimenting on myself..
and doing partial movement exercises of the cheek muscles, for example, along with the full range movement of the muscle.. including 'pulses' of the muscle..movement that is very very tiny repeated over and over again..like that used in Callanetics. |
_________________ 71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:55 am |
jasminerosey... I'd love to hear your results... take detailed notes! |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:06 am |
I'm interested, also. |
_________________ 65 Caucasion, history of acne, sagging, some wrinkling, rough texture. Using Dermawand, AALS, Microderm Machine,Copper Peptides |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:07 am |
Jasminerosey,
I too own many Callanetics videos, and I also wondered if the ex's could be adapted for the face.
So far, I haven't been able to figure out how to do it, but please let us know if you do.
Linda |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:08 am |
sister sweets wrote: |
"Ditto to Kassy - I've had a pet peeve for a little while about facial exercises. I'm not tied to a specific program like some of the trainers and trainers to-be. I like the idea of incorporating different methods and feel it has been a valuable part of my progress. Most anyone who has done these for a while will tell you the same. I have yet to hear anyone who trains, etc for a specific facial exercise line(except LouLou) admit to using any other exercises (AT ALL!) except the ones in their specific program. My comment is this seems so limiting and almost unbelievable when we all know that with skincare we tend to have more than one program or items that we love, with body exercises we change it around... And how can you be someone so interested, so involved and so incredibly into facial exercise and NOT want to incorporate other facial exercises from other sources. I do pilates, but I also do yoga, I lift weights and I also run....
I have to restate Kassy ...I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added"... |
Sister Sweets
Why would Deb want to do someone else's facial exercises when they are not what she considers to be appropriate for building muscle?
Remember she didnt put together a program from other resistance training techniques she used (they didnt exist 30 years ago) but developed a program not like any other program. So who should she mention?
I can't believe you said "(except Loulou)" Come-on, LL was an FE online trainer for 2 years and didnt even mention Deb or FE in her book; though she did mention someone else that most have never even heard of.
Deb told me how many programs are selling right now that were actually former FE trainers I looked up their websites and they all mention other programs that inspired them but not one admits to going right from FE to create their own program. Carolyns Facial Fitness is one, her website says, Then I discovered muscle resistance training for the face. Funny how they will mention everyone elses program they have tired but NEVER FlexEffect.
Deb said she understands why they wouldnt and even shouldnt for business reasons but it still smarts.
You said I was advertising FE, (the post I made obviously praising FE) and was attacked for being so transparent (that meant to be so) yet, we have on this forum an entire thread dedicated to the glorification of another facial training program; but oh, thats cool. I dont have a problem with that, nooooo transparency there, or here for that matter
Why don't we just get past the attacks and just stick to how fantastic facial TRAINING can be. If someone wants to plug LL GREAT, if someone wants to plug FE even GREATER |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:20 am |
ClaudiaFE wrote: |
Kassy_A wrote: |
What would really be refreshing to me, is a little honesty from folks like Deb, Lou Lou, Carol Maggio etc.. and anybody else with a vested interest in facial exercise programs.. (LouLou is the most forthcoming in my opinion.)
Does anybody here really believe that any of them use no other measures but facial exercise to retain the *youthful* look?
Is it only everybody else on the planet that also needs tools, gadgets, fillers and a cosmetic tweaking here or there, in addition to the exercise? And even after all that, the search continues. Lots of members here swear by facial exercise, but I don't recall even one of them who doesn't have several other things in their bag of tricks.
I'd have much more respect and belief in a person/program who said, "wow, the exercise is great, but the result is even better when such and such is added".. |
Wow... this cracks me up. I HOPE you really think Deb has had some sort of surg. What a compliment. But truly, She IS aging. Perhaps a bit more gracefully than others. But, (sorry mom), she doesn't look like she's in her 30's, or 40's and well to me she was younger looking in her 50's so, she doesn't look like she's in her 50's TOO ME. To me, she is What a natural looking 60 y/o looks like.
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Actually surgery was the last thing on my mind.. I was thinking more aboout the measures others use regularly, in addition to exercise like; microcurrent, STOP, LED's and the like.. I just find it curious that none of that is ever mentioned by you, Sean, Deb, LL, CM or anyone else who has a vested interest in a program...(Do you own or use any of these gadgets?) No need to answer, it's just a retorical question.
As for me, it's probably best that I bow out of this thread now, since I don't do any facial exercise program anymore. When I answered the question on the previous page it was just my observations of complaints I heard about, with the crepiness under the eye being my own experience.. (It's no longer a concern since I stopped "pulling + twisting the skin".. )
For the record, just so nobody feels it necessary to jump in and tell me how decrepit I must be at 59, and more than likely dehydrated and in need of more supplements and a better diet, I'll offer this;
- My skin is clear, plump, and line free except for the tiniest laugh lines at the corners of my eyes and one faint vertical forehead line.
- My neck, jawline and cheeks are as firm as any 40 year old.
- I've never had surgery, fillers, botox or any other spa treatment.. I'm ashamed to say I've never had a facial in my life.. (It's on my wish list though.. )
I consider myself lucky that I have good DNA in my camp, because God knows I do most other things wrong..
I'll just end by reiterating what I've said many times, Deb looks fabulous! And I agree with you, it's exactly what a natural 60 year old should look like (40.. ) |
_________________ ♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:44 pm |
Kassy...
I in the way of gadgets, I own a Clarisonic Face Brush, (love it).
I have a Tweezerman Tool for the removal of those dang black heads.
I looked into one of the light gizmos that Toby raves about, but didn't want to spend the $$. (Do you have any idea what it costs to send twins to preschool???) LOL! OH... and Nanci sells a derm machine that looks pretty nifty. But I haven't bought that either... I think YET???
See... NOW you will know why my list of goodies looks insane... It is! Here's a peak at my tiny bathroom...
See the tiny yellow basket at the bottom right? That's DH's bathroom goodies... LOL! Oh, and his electric razor on the top. Which I find really annoying and haven't figured out a way to keep it from being in the bathroom at all.
Deb has a crappy face brush (well that's IMO), that she doesn't use very often... But again, she's a facial girl. (which I highly recommend... they really are just so nice to get.) And a facial steamer... for when she can't get in for a facial.
I don't have any aversion to all the gizmos. If I had the time and the pocket book, I'd probably test out everything. I think it's all fun. And of course, if any of them can retain youth... GO FOR IT! |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:45 pm |
Sorry... that's not tiny at all... I wish my bathroom was this big! |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:51 pm |
Hi - I am a fe trainer, and I have also been pretty up front with my self experimentation with dermarolling - posting pictures and also getting the suction thingies trying different ones.
also years ago I posted pretty often about the dermal-tone I used to use that helped keep the bags out from under my eyes - I have pretty bad allergies.
And I also talked about the skin care regimen I have tried with CP's and what luck i did and did not have using the products.
Over my nine years of being with FE- I just don't repeat myself - but it is all in there if you look in the archives i am probably there whining and complaining to Jason in 99 asking about all the problems I was having and how long will it be before I SEE anything!!! during my learning period, and also there was another board that has been replaced by the current one- inthat one I think is where I may have talked abot the other things I was trying - like the soft baby basketball under my chin when I do open mouth and things like that...
we all on there talk about additions we have made to our training- like Loli today talking about cutting up a small ball to put pieces in her mouth to help work the buccinator and others using spoons...
anyway...
just thought I would mention this.
Oh and also things like hormone creams for the skin have been mentioned over hte years, and also piabeli-
and copper peptides and obagi and on and on and on.
There are literally years of posts to read.
From way before I ever started. |
_________________ I'm Cathy, 54 yrs old. Flexeffect Certified Trainer in the 2004 vrsn - not the newer one. using flexeffect sincee 1999. |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:20 pm |
Just in response to some earlier posts about supplementary things other than just exercises, some of the trainers do. I've never heard it mentioned by all the LouLou worshippers (and I've been doing ageless for months now, and developed a nasty looking pouch by my mouth on one side, accompanied by my first line - a DEEP one), that in the changes to her face that the pics of her show, how on earth did the long hook on her nose miraculously disappear? Are we to believe it was facial exercises? There's no such exercise in ageless, and quite frankly, I wouldn't mind shortening my nose an inch or two as well.
Sorry to be incredulous here, but I've bitten my tongue about it for so long, I can't help but jump in now. Forgive me people, I know I've sinned! |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:08 pm |
Trigger- it is the angle she takes the pictures from. Her nose has not changed.
BUT
in response to your deep line next to the other one-
a couple of questions for you
is it also on the side you sleep on?
Have you stopped the exercises on that side (or both sides) for awhile for that area to have the effect either calm down or go away?
I have had it take up to two months to have a facial swelling subside on my face after I had a lymphnode swell up after a virus attack. And I could not do ANY exercises from the nose down for that whole time! |
_________________ I'm Cathy, 54 yrs old. Flexeffect Certified Trainer in the 2004 vrsn - not the newer one. using flexeffect sincee 1999. |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:50 pm |
trigger wrote: |
Just in response to some earlier posts about supplementary things other than just exercises, some of the trainers do. I've never heard it mentioned by all the LouLou worshippers (and I've been doing ageless for months now, and developed a nasty looking pouch by my mouth on one side, accompanied by my first line - a DEEP one), that in the changes to her face that the pics of her show, how on earth did the long hook on her nose miraculously disappear? Are we to believe it was facial exercises? There's no such exercise in ageless, and quite frankly, I wouldn't mind shortening my nose an inch or two as well.
Sorry to be incredulous here, but I've bitten my tongue about it for so long, I can't help but jump in now. Forgive me people, I know I've sinned! |
I know I read on Loulou's forum that she *did* have surgery on her nose - I cannot remember all the details but it was for a medical reason however at the same time it did "refine" the tip and appearance of her nose. I know she posted about this publicly - I just don't remember exactly where I saw it in order to give an exact quote or link.
As for shortening your nose, Carole Maggio (Facercise) actually has an exercise for that and it's been mentioned several times here at EDS. You can see her demonstrating this exercise in this interview clip on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkN205rBzwA |
_________________ 48. Using 302/NCN/Skinactives products, grab-bag of facial exercises, occasional gadgets. |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:52 pm |
trigger wrote: |
Just in response to some earlier posts about supplementary things other than just exercises, some of the trainers do. I've never heard it mentioned by all the LouLou worshippers (and I've been doing ageless for months now, and developed a nasty looking pouch by my mouth on one side, accompanied by my first line - a DEEP one), that in the changes to her face that the pics of her show, how on earth did the long hook on her nose miraculously disappear? Are we to believe it was facial exercises? There's no such exercise in ageless, and quite frankly, I wouldn't mind shortening my nose an inch or two as well.
Sorry to be incredulous here, but I've bitten my tongue about it for so long, I can't help but jump in now. Forgive me people, I know I've sinned! |
SHe's admitted to having plastic surgery on her nose, it's not supposed to be representative of what her facial ex's can achieve. |
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:27 pm |
The most a person can do with their nose, short of surg. generally is a bit of reshaping. Since it's all cartilage. Constant massaging...
If I understand the gist of CM's nose work, I seems reasonable that you could "shorten" your nose by way of flattening the cartilage a bit.
Rather than speculate about LL's nose, just ask her. She's seemingly pretty open about what she does. |
_________________ Claudia of FlexEffect... 43, fair skin, occasional breakout, Using ECO FROG (my own=disclaimer), and TrueScience (I also sell this)... Happy with that...Come visit on FB! |
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:26 am |
I started about two weeks ago doing Flex Effect exercises and I am impressed. Common sense tells you how the resistance applied in the exercises would certainly build muscle where you need it. I still incorporate Ageless in my routine but I must say I am really happy with Flex Effect. |
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