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paws4jas
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Joined: 19 Jan 2010
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:44 am  |
Hi All,
I'm new to this forum and need some advice.
Three weeks ago I started a new skin care regimen that included CP Serum, Matrixyl 3000, Lavender Hydrosol, (and I've been using Retin-A 0.1% for over 5 years without a problem) All for depressed scars caused by cystic acne. I've had Dermabrasion and CO2 Laser Resurfacing, which gave me some improvement. Since using the CP Serum, I've noticed a new depressed scar that was not on my cheek before. I've been through so much over the years trying to rid myself of these scars or at least get them to where I am comfortable looking at myself in the mirror, and would hate to ruin my skin anymore than it already is. The thought of a new scar makes me feel nauseous. I'm ready to just throw out the CP Serum and move onto something else.
I would greatly appreciate any advice!! Thank you. |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:46 am |
Some skin types, just cannot use copper peptides or pentapeptides (Martixyl) together with tretinoin.
The dents or depressions, are probably a result of underlying irritation from the combination of actives from the products you are using.
Remove the CP first from your routine, and see how it goes. |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:30 am |
| There are others here who can speak to this much better than I can (foxe), but CPs will bring old damage to the surface of the skin. I understand that's part of the remodeling process. |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:13 pm |
| I'm thinking the same thing as Skippie, in that CPs bring any damage to the surface of the skin - as its on the way out. Its nothing to worry about, as your face is a work in progress, but why don't you telephone SkinBio and describe your routine to them, and they can best advise you how to achieve the goals your wanting with their product. |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:03 am |
don't get rid of the CPs yet. keep plugging away at it. they do bring old scars/skin to the surface in the repair process and that's considered an 'ugly' period quite often. They work wonders on filling in scars IMO. I've had success with them and have read of others having success.
read this thread on how a user from the SB forum used CPs and acids for chicken pox scars (which can be like boxcar/cystic acne scars)scroll down to the 4th post
http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7270023352/m/9150019263?r=1470038363
He managed to fill in those scars with in a few weeks time and the hyperpigmentation went away after a few months. That's actually pretty fast for improvements, but he was using a really strong acid (12% BHA) as a spot treatment and progressively used stronger CPs.
skippie - thanks for the plug  |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:36 pm |
| i have one bottle of cp too, never really know what does it do.... |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 3:11 pm |
| That happened to me recently. I just now looked in the mirror and noticed inside one depressed area is a white dot. Is that scar tissue coming to the surface? |
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:28 am |
NOT a CP fan...so my recommendation is biased. Dump it.  |
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Vehicle is a 1952 scratch and dent model....olive-ish, dry skin, long curly gray hair. Staples: Tazorac, 2mm Dermaroller, Anti Aging Light Stim, Devita Sunscreens, homemade C serums, some positive affirmations and whatever else it takes! Kicking and screaming the whole way... |
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:15 am |
I STRONGLY recommend that you go back to the skinbio site, and watch the videos on how this works.
I don't think CP's are for the faint of heart. They are an aggressive remodeling agent. The premise is (to the best of my understanding) that they bring ALL damaged skin eventually to the surface. So, if you've once upon a time had some bad looking damaged skin it could easily be "buried" under what you're looking at. Which does seem weird... but seemingly the truth. So, that depressed scar? It was there before... just not RECENTLY...
If you're looking at a bottle of CP's and you "don't know what it's for... or what to do with it." you could be asking for trouble. This is a product that you MUST KNOW why you're using it!
Continue to research...
I've talked with many people that have decided to jump with both feet into an aggressive routine. It's like going into a gym after a sedentary lifestyle for years, running on the treadmill for an hour, then picking up as heavy weights as possible, all with lack of form, and no warm up... The person will be a disaster the next day... and may even quit. You've GOT To work into it... and even still, you might get pretty dang sore.
Based on your post.. IF you continue to use CP's... you need a very conservative approach. Sounds like you've already dealt with alot of emotional trauma from skin issues... I personally wouldn't drag yourself through the mud.
At this juncture, I would probably, (get some more advise here) SPOT treat the scar that you're seeing. It's there now... see if you can Quickly get it to move on... and the rest of the face, I would back down to a slower application process... I would really utilize the forum at skin bio... there are MANY there that have powered through...
Best.. |
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:24 am |
That sums it up well Claudia.  You can find a lot of answers & support over on the SB site.
It is up to you (paws4jas) if you want to continue using CPs or not. But, like with Retin-A, you have to stick it out or at least give it a chance in order for it to work. If you have damage (old scars) buried under your skin then CPs, which stimulate collagen production will push the damage towards the surface. That is what you are noticing. Many people panic then give up when this happens from a total misunderstanding. They do not realize that the scars aren't new, but were just buried. The buried scars are what cause the unsmooth surface.
If you give up, then the damage will rebury itself deeper & you will never have very smooth skin. The downside is that it becomes more noticeable as you age. Dr. Pickart says Retin-A & CPs work well together. So I would say you are on the right track. Hydroxy Acids help to break down the damage. Lasers cause a lot of damage to the epidermis, so you more than likely have laser damage too which is the easiest to remove since it is surface damage.
As Claudia has mentioned, a conservative start & a better understanding is needed no matter what you are trying to achieve. Very damaged skin will just take longer. When it comes to acne-scarring, CPs work, but it is a slow process. |
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