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Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:07 pm      Reply with quote
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Wow, Kassy, your pictures are amazing! What an inspiration.
I'm 51, and I've been using Retin A and a topical vit.C for 5 years. And doing Facercise for several months. I've noticed some skin improvement from the Retin-A, definitely. And muscle tightening/lifting from the Facercise.
I'm purchasing an AALS today, so I'll be able to report any new improvement that isn't from my old topicals.
I've been researching supplements/collagen production, and found a 2010 study done with mice eating gelatin and being protected against skin-collagen loss from sunlight. Of course, we are not mice, but... Here's the relevant section:
"...that the mice exposed to the ultraviolet light but did not receive the gelatin had a 53% average decrease in the collagen content of their skin compared to the mice who were not exposed. But the exposed mice that ate gelatin had no collagen decrease at all. In fact, they had an average increase in collagen of 17%..."
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:36 pm      Reply with quote
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I've been researching supplements/collagen production, and found a 2010 study done with mice eating gelatin and being protected against skin-collagen loss from sunlight. Of course, we are not mice, but... Here's the relevant section:
"...that the mice exposed to the ultraviolet light but did not receive the gelatin had a 53% average decrease in the collagen content of their skin compared to the mice who were not exposed. But the exposed mice that ate gelatin had no collagen decrease at all. In fact, they had an average increase in collagen of 17%..."


I'll definitely take my chances and incorporate gelatin into my diet... I can add the powder to my smoothies very easily. I think I read something similar about beta-carotene's ability to reduce the destructive collagen killing enzymes.. (I'll have to check to be sure, I read so much that things start jumble together sometimes.)

Thanks to you (and all) for saying such lovely things. It makes an old girl feel very young at heart, truly ♥

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Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:45 pm      Reply with quote
Kassy wrote wrote:
"I'll definitely take my chances and incorporate gelatin into my diet... I can add the powder to my smoothies very easily. I think I read something similar about beta-carotene's ability to reduce the destructive collagen killing enzymes.. (I'll have to check to be sure, I read so much that things start jumble together sometimes.)

Kassy foxe wrote:

Hawaiiwin - I can remember my mother taking gelatin to improve her nails when I was a child. Probably an old wive's tale, but w/ your report, maybe it had some merit? (remind self to make Jello more often)


"..Gelatin is Hydrolyzed collagen made from type I collagen by enzymatic hydrolysis, which cuts the collagen protein into small peptides. Eating gelatin increases the density of collagen fibrils and the fibroblasts density (the fibroblasts being the main cells of the dermis, and the ones which produce collagen). The explanation of this action may be that the peptides of ingested hydrolyzed collagen have chemotactic properties on fibroblasts [6] or an influence on growth of fibroblasts.."

Is this too boring.. Question

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You hit the quote button on the post that you want to quote. wave Welcome to EDS

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Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:59 pm      Reply with quote
Hawaiiwin wrote:
"..Gelatin is Hydrolyzed collagen made from type I collagen by enzymatic hydrolysis, which cuts the collagen protein into small peptides. Eating gelatin increases the density of collagen fibrils and the fibroblasts density (the fibroblasts being the main cells of the dermis, and the ones which produce collagen). The explanation of this action may be that the peptides of ingested hydrolyzed collagen have chemotactic properties on fibroblasts [6] or an influence on growth of fibroblasts.."

Is this too boring.. Question

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Sorry to be a dummy, but when you're quoting another member, how do you make their posts go into those nifty little boxes..?


Not boring at all! I am all for learning new things. Could you post the source of your info, Hawaiiwin?
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:58 pm      Reply with quote
Hawaiiwin wrote:
Wow, Kassy, your pictures are amazing! What an inspiration.
I'm 51, and I've been using Retin A and a topical vit.C for 5 years. And doing Facercise for several months. I've noticed some skin improvement from the Retin-A, definitely. And muscle tightening/lifting from the Facercise.
I'm purchasing an AALS today, so I'll be able to report any new improvement that isn't from my old topicals.
I've been researching supplements/collagen production, and found a 2010 study done with mice eating gelatin and being protected against skin-collagen loss from sunlight. Of course, we are not mice, but... Here's the relevant section:
"...that the mice exposed to the ultraviolet light but did not receive the gelatin had a 53% average decrease in the collagen content of their skin compared to the mice who were not exposed. But the exposed mice that ate gelatin had no collagen decrease at all. In fact, they had an average increase in collagen of 17%..."

Do tell us where we can read about this.

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Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:11 am      Reply with quote
I don't think this is exactly what 'Hawaii' was talking about, but I'm posting it none the less because it does talk about not only collagen synthesis, but also that oral gelatin hydrolysate showed promise in treating degenerative conditions of the musculo-skeletal system...(Arthritis pain anyone... Sad )

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/129/10/1891

Oh, the only difference I know of between regular gelatin and gelatin hydrolysate is that the latter will dissolve in cold water, where the former needs boiling water... (Double check that though in case there's more to it than I remember.)

I'll look for more studies tomorrow... Perhaps this is worthy of it's own thread... hmm!

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Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:35 pm      Reply with quote
Article on gelatin:

http://www.realcuresletter.com/Health-Alert-Archive/View-Archive/2043/Jello--the-latest-antiaging-miracle.htm


REF: Tanaka M, Koyama Y, Nomura Y. Effects of collagen peptide ingestion on UV-B-induced skin damage. Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2009 Apr 23;73(4):930-2
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Article on gelatin:

http://www.realcuresletter.com/Health-Alert-Archive/View-Archive/2043/Jello--the-latest-antiaging-miracle.htm

REF: Tanaka M, Koyama Y, Nomura Y. Effects of collagen peptide ingestion on UV-B-induced skin damage. Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2009 Apr 23;73(4):930-2


Thanks, Skippie.
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:08 pm      Reply with quote
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Article on gelatin:

http://www.realcuresletter.com/Health-Alert-Archive/View-Archive/2043/Jello--the-latest-antiaging-miracle.htm


REF: Tanaka M, Koyama Y, Nomura Y. Effects of collagen peptide ingestion on UV-B-induced skin damage. Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2009 Apr 23;73(4):930-2


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19352014

Effects of collagen peptide ingestion on UV-B-induced skin damage.
Tanaka M, Koyama Y, Nomura Y.

Applied Protein Chemistry, Faculty of Agriculture, Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology, Fuchu, Tokyo 183-8509, Japan.

The effect of daily ingestion of collagen peptide on the skin damage induced by repeated UV-B irradiation was examined. Ingestion of collagen peptide (0.2 g/kg/d) suppressed UV-B-induced decreases in skin hydration, hyperplasia of the epidermis, and decreases in soluble type I collagen. These results suggest that collagen peptide is beneficial as a dietary supplement to suppress UV-B-induced skin damage and photoaging.

http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/73/4/930/_pdf

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Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:27 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks for posting the study, Lacy. Interesting read!
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Thanks for finding the study, Lacy.

I notice that the study uses gelatin extracted from fish scales. Do you think the type of gelatin matters?
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Well, this is all good news. Something else to add to my arsenal(I already take Biotin, MSM, Vit C and fish oil)

--off to stock up on some Knox gelatin (what my mom took)or SF Jello now

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Well, this is all good news. Something else to add to my arsenal(I already take Biotin, MSM, Vit C and fish oil)

--off to stock up on some Knox gelatin (what my mom took)or SF Jello now


LOL I always keep the Knox in the house already!
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This has turned into the gelatin thread!

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Wow, you guys are ROCKIN' researchers! By the time I finished my newbie-no-url reply, you'd already found and posted all my sources, and more. What fun to play with such talented, smart people.

As far as Gelatin vs Gelatine Hydrolysate, the GH seems to be in smaller particles; it doesn't "gel" like gelatine; it's a "binder" in some nutritional bars; the lighter molecular weight may be more easily digestible. But ScientistLive online concludes:".. Gelatine and Gelatine Hydrolysates are, after oral intake, absorbed as well as deposited and stored in collagenous tissue of the body." Good, 'cause I can't find a source to buy pure GH.

Since my magical age-reversing AALS hasn't arrived yet... has anyone read the latest on Dr Ellen Langer's truly amazing "time-warp" age-reversing experiment? (Can the power of thought stop you ageing? 2-5-2010 BBC News online)
"..Prof Langer recruited a group of elderly men all in their late 70s or 80s for what she described as a "week of reminiscence". They were not told they were taking part in a study into ageing, an experiment that would transport them 20 years back in time.

The psychologist wanted to know if she could put the mind back 20 years would the body show any changes.."

Maybe if I can find my Lava Lamp, put up some black-lite posters in the guestroom, and--wait 'til no-one is home!-- dance around to classic rock'n'roll... Rolling Eyes Hmmm. Maybe I also need a life-size cardboard stand-up figure of -- oh dear, this will date me -- David Cassidy...
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foxe wrote:
Well, this is all good news. Something else to add to my arsenal(I already take Biotin, MSM, Vit C and fish oil)

--off to stock up on some Knox gelatin (what my mom took)or SF Jello now


LOL I always keep the Knox in the house already!
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This has turned into the gelatin thread!

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Well I was all set to begin the gelatin, only to discover mine had expired 3 years ago! Laughing
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:16 pm      Reply with quote
You can buy gelatine hydrolysate capsules in any health food store. Supposed to be good for joints.

I used a product called Gelata for awhile a few years ago when I tore cartilage in my knee. I didn't use it long term though because I heard it was hard on the kidneys (I don't know how true this is.)
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That's not as bad as the box of Bisquick the kids and I found hiding in a box that expired 10
years before! LOL That hit the trash really fast! Smile


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DarkMoon wrote:
foxe wrote:
Well, this is all good news. Something else to add to my arsenal(I already take Biotin, MSM, Vit C and fish oil)

--off to stock up on some Knox gelatin (what my mom took)or SF Jello now


LOL I always keep the Knox in the house already!
Smile
This has turned into the gelatin thread!

DM


Well I was all set to begin the gelatin, only to discover mine had expired 3 years ago! Laughing

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Anyone who is going to give this a go - what is your plan? The Knox I have is good until sometime 2011 so I'm wanting to do something with it.
I make jello for the little guy (my 13 year old). And we both like it lots so have many of the flavored variety also.
(Microbiology classes turned me into a cupboard vigilante about dates Smile A minor neurosis Rolling Eyes
Thanks for the articles everyone. Really enjoyed them.

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LMAO
JELLO SHOOTERS!

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There Ya go!

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Anyone who is going to give this a go - what is your plan? The Knox I have is good until sometime 2011 so I'm wanting to do something with it.
I make jello for the little guy (my 13 year old). And we both like it lots so have many of the flavored variety also.
(Microbiology classes turned me into a cupboard vigilante about dates Smile A minor neurosis Rolling Eyes
Thanks for the articles everyone. Really enjoyed them.


Put a tsp in your daily smoothie... You'll get thickness and collagen building in one fell swoop... Very Happy

"Jello Shooters" sounds like much more fun though...

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Yep - that's it: Into the smoothie in the morning and I think I'll combine with MSM and bioSil for the nightcap. (Or maybe put the MSM and the bioSil in the jello shooter)

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I think you have all misread the study, or ignored the the discussion and conclusion. It does not say eating gelatin will build collagen in the skin.

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When I was a kid back in the 1950s, Jell-o was just the thing. My mom would often serve us Jell-o for dessert, as well as Jell-o in our salads. I bet we had Jell-o several days out of every week. When I went to school, the same thing happened. Jell-o was easy to make and keep, and we all liked it.

But those days have long been over for me. The last time I had Jell-o was more than 40 years ago. And now, when I look at my 63-year-old face in the mirror, I'm thinking that I should have eaten it more often. Thatís because some startling new research is now showing that gelatin, the stuff thatís in Jell-o, will literally put the skids on photo-aging.

Photo-aging is the process by which, over the course of time, ultraviolet light damages your skin. The effects of photo-aging are particularly noticeable on the face and neck. Thatís because the skin there is thinner. The sun damages thinner skin more easily. Also face and neck skin gets exposed to much more ultraviolet light than does any other part of the body.

Photo-aging makes skin wrinkled, loose and crinkly, rough appearing, and spotted with pigments. How would you like to prevent that from happening?

Or if youíre like me and itís a little too late, how would you like to prevent it from getting any worse?

It all has to do with something called collagen. Collagen is the most abundant protein in the body. It constitutes about one-third of the entire protein in the body, and is the major component of the skin. It is collagen that provides the tensile strength to skin, and keeps it firm, smooth, and high in water content. But alas, two things happen to us as we get older.

One is that due to a decrease in hormone production, especially growth hormone, our skin cells make less and less collagen. And the other is that the repeated exposure to the sunís ultraviolet light also causes the skin to make less collagen. The end result of all of this is wrinkles.

But a new study just published only a few months ago says that eating Jell-o helps maintain a more youthful collagen levels as you get older.

http://www.realcuresletter.com/Health-Alert-Archive/View-Archive/2043/Jello--the-latest-antiaging-miracle.htm



Lacy - The goal of the gelatin is preventing photo aging; thus maintaining collagen levels.

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