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Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:11 pm |
These forums can be great but can be really bad too!! I have formal training as an esthetician but since I am not working in the field I find myself somewhat starved for information and discussions regarding skin care. I read threads and think...I have to try that or I have that peel or I have that machine I should use that again...etc!! In the last 2 days I have pulled out my Quasar SP, Dermawand, Ultrasound machine, old unused stevia for a mask, random products, and lastly and most stupidly my 70% lactic acid peel. My face was looking amazing, better than it has in a long time up until late this morning when I did the lactic acid peel. I only left it on for 2 minutes and I rinsed with cool water for at least 5 minutes after plus used freezing cold compresses for another few minutes after that. I seem to have had an allergic reaction or something because I broke out in hives all over my face and neck. My face is still stinging and it has been about 3 hours. I immediately put on aloe gel but it really has not helped. I think my reaction may be in part to using Retin A, I used it last 4 days ago so I thought I had taken enough of a break but I guess not!! This is actually embarrassing to admit because I should have known better!! I don't think I will be using my new microderm machine or dermal rollers next week when I get them, at least not on my face and neck!! Looks like I will be taking at least a 2 week break before I start up with any fancy regimen now!
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:03 pm |
welcome to EDS moxiemama!
sorry about your face and neck. ouch!
don't be embarrassed, i think we've all had personal experiences of getting little too excited from joining EDS and had some personal 'accidents'. i myself, was reading and reading till by eyes bugled, was buying and buying till i didn't know what package was what... and i too had a little mishap or two. i still can't look at that supercop2x without my heart racing!
keep at it with the cool compress. perhaps cool, not freezing. would freezing cold compress, could that do some more damage to sensitive skin? while you're waiting for the hives to calm down, there's still tons of reading. the info and feedback/reviews on this site are awe inspiring. i hope you heal quickly!
have fun!
btw, sounds like you got some cool gadgets.
sorry, don't mind the drool. i'm a gadget junkie! |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:07 pm |
MoxieMama,
I know you are really upset right now and I understand why! You aren't the first here to have a disaster but with a lot of TLC your skin will heal! I am sure many will come along with advice about what to do, I would say keep a very benign barrier cream on 24-7 to protect your skin!
I will get flames for saying this but oh well, I think some of what is done and advised is over the top for what is appropriate at home and personally wouldn't do some of what others choose to do. My disclaimer here this is my personal opinion and my personal choice!
Don't beat yourself up and you will have to ride this out, you may find after the skin heals it looks better than ever, you just need to give it time and do as little as possible other than protecting it until you heal! I am not a fan of petrochemicals usually but white Vaseline should be a reasonable choice if you have it on hand if not the regular Vaseline will be the best you can use in my thoughts! Hang in there and just remember healing takes time but it will
happen! I hope you have good luck and things start improving quickly. All my best! Please keep us posted and try and cheer up.
DM |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:19 pm |
DM angel,
do you think moxiemama should keep up with thge cold/cool compresses?
and that aloe gel. aloe gel always gives me hives and burns.
and do you think she should be more thoughtful of what she eats right now, while her skin is healing?... like eating alot of fruits and veggies...eating more healthily for her skin to recuperate? maybe some mutlivatmins to boot, just in case.
and plenty of rest and sleep for her body to regenerate?
whatcha think angel?
whatcha think moxiemama? |
_________________ to, cnd, 39, asian, dry&sensitive. products: valmont, givenchy, chanel, guerlain, dior, misc sothys&lush; mu: valmont, dior, chanel & mac; anti aging: diy facial massages, dr.ho's, assrt of EMS/TENS, wellbox, nuface, nuskin, tua viso, tua trend, babyQ, facemaster, oxylift, dermawand, life, suction, 8clarisonic, 2opal, magnassager, sonic,etc |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:27 pm |
llina
Aloe works great for many so that depends on how her skin reacts, the cool compresses can prevent swelling and probably feel good as long as they are used appropriately=not applied directly without a soft cloth buffering them and not left on for too long at any one time!
I think everything else you mentioned are very good ideas as you want to care for your whole body especially while healing!
DM
llina wrote: |
DM angel,
do you think moxiemama should keep up with thge cold/cool compresses?
and that aloe gel. aloe gel always gives me hives and burns.
and do you think she should be more thoughtful of what she eats right now, while her skin is healing?... like eating alot of fruits and veggies...eating more healthily for her skin to recuperate? maybe some mutlivatmins to boot, just in case.
and plenty of rest and sleep for her body to regenerate?
whatcha think angel?
whatcha think moxiemama? |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:51 pm |
Moxie Mama - That is so awesome you are an esthetician. It goes to show even a pro can make a mistake.
Fortunately you have the expertise and background to know how to handle your situation. Please let us know what you do and how you manage things. I'll be curious. ~Sis |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:12 pm |
MoxieMama wrote: |
These forums can be great but can be really bad too!! I have formal training as an esthetician but since I am not working in the field I find myself somewhat starved for information and discussions regarding skin care. I read threads and think...I have to try that or I have that peel or I have that machine I should use that again...etc!! In the last 2 days I have pulled out my Quasar SP, Dermawand, Ultrasound machine, old unused stevia for a mask, random products, and lastly and most stupidly my 70% lactic acid peel. My face was looking amazing, better than it has in a long time up until late this morning when I did the lactic acid peel. I only left it on for 2 minutes and I rinsed with cool water for at least 5 minutes after plus used freezing cold compresses for another few minutes after that. I seem to have had an allergic reaction or something because I broke out in hives all over my face and neck. My face is still stinging and it has been about 3 hours. I immediately put on aloe gel but it really has not helped. I think my reaction may be in part to using Retin A, I used it last 4 days ago so I thought I had taken enough of a break but I guess not!! This is actually embarrassing to admit because I should have known better!! I don't think I will be using my new microderm machine or dermal rollers next week when I get them, at least not on my face and neck!! Looks like I will be taking at least a 2 week break before I start up with any fancy regimen now!
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Did you forget to "neutralize"??? Have to keep 'sodium bicarbonate' on hand next time.. It's the only way to neutralize the acid, which is literally eating through the skin. Cold water on it's own won't neutralize.. You poor thing..
For protecting the skin barrier now, the best occlusives I know are Aquaphor and Avene Cicalfate Restorative Cream.
DON'T HELP THE PEELING PROCESS ... Let it shed naturally, and keep it well lubricated...
And now please share some great things we can do/use at home, other than acid peels... |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:45 pm |
Aquaphor Healing Ointment 1.75 oz (50 gr)
Active Ingredients: Petrolatum
Inactive Ingredients: Mineral Oil, Ceresin, Lanolin Alcohol, Panthenol, Glycerin, Bisabolol |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:25 pm |
Did you forget to "neutralize"??? Have to keep 'sodium bicarbonate' on hand next time.. It's the only way to neutralize the acid, which is literally eating through the skin. Cold water on it's own won't neutralize.. You poor thing..
By golly Kassy you're right. I used to do acid peels that I bought from platinum skin care (way back) and I this was an important part of the directions ....
And yep - Moxie Mama - ! We're all ears. |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:08 pm |
it seems like moxiemama is out for the count.
i hope you get better soon!
*healing vibes to mxmama*
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:24 pm |
llina wrote: |
it seems like moxiemama is out for the count.
i hope you get better soon!
*healing vibes to mxmama*
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Yep llina I haven't seen her around since before 6 today! I hope she feels much better very soon!
DM |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:27 pm |
yeah, that sometimes scares me, when members have accidents and don't hear from them. worries me that they'll get turned off of eds. but i hope not.
i think i worry too much.
moxiemama, let us know how ur doing! |
_________________ to, cnd, 39, asian, dry&sensitive. products: valmont, givenchy, chanel, guerlain, dior, misc sothys&lush; mu: valmont, dior, chanel & mac; anti aging: diy facial massages, dr.ho's, assrt of EMS/TENS, wellbox, nuface, nuskin, tua viso, tua trend, babyQ, facemaster, oxylift, dermawand, life, suction, 8clarisonic, 2opal, magnassager, sonic,etc |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:30 pm |
llina wrote: |
yeah, that sometimes scares me, when members have accidents and don't hear from them. worries me that they'll get turned off of eds. but i hope not.
i think i worry too much.
moxiemama, let us know how ur doing! |
You and me both BabyDoll! I guess I am a worrier about people, we can both send healing thoughts and hope we hear a good report soon! |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:53 am |
Kassy_A wrote: |
Did you forget to "neutralize"??? Have to keep 'sodium bicarbonate' on hand next time.. It's the only way to neutralize the acid, which is literally eating through the skin. Cold water on it's own won't neutralize.. You poor thing.. |
With regard to neutralizing - I used to do regular peels on my skin which I ordered from Makeupartistschoice - both the Lactic Acid 65% and the TCA. The instructions for the Lactic Acid were to wash the skin before and after with a bar of Green Tea Soap which was supplied in the kit. The instructions for the TCA peel were to neutralize the solution with Bicarbonate of Soda (this was stressed as being very important). But it definitely wasn't mentioned for the Lactic Acid - and I used that regularly once a week for quite a while and never had a problem.
The only time I did have a problem was when I was using Retin-A and did a peel - and yes, I also stopped using it a few days before I did the peel. I think the bottom line is not to do AHA peels whilst using Retin-A.
I found Emu Oil worked best for soothing the irritated skin - Emu Oil is actually recommended as a treatment for burns. |
_________________ Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:21 am |
Thank you everyone for your responses and for the extra worrying!! I was able to read last night but I am still new to the board and can only post 5 times a day and I had hit my limit!! Very frustrating because I wanted to respond!! Is there anyway to bypass that limit????!! I feel like I have handcuffs on!
My face is much better this morning, the hives are gone. I took some benadryl yesterday afternoon and by bedtime the hives looked much smaller and flatter. Still had some around my eyes and neck but they were reduced in size for sure. Don't know if it was the benadryl or if it was just time and cool compresses that did it.
I still have some raw spots and my skin is very dry and leathery, I will continue using aquaphor for today and hopefully tomorrow I can discontinue that. I do not like using anything with petroleum products but in this case felt I had no choice!!
LLina and DM, I did use the aloe gel and it stung quite a bit but it was the only thing I had, all my calming masks had ingredients that I didn't want to take a chance with. I did also keep putting on cool compresses, I think it did help! TY
Kassy, with lactic acid water is the neutralizer. I have never used anything but that with any lactic acid or glycolic peel I have done in a salon or at home. TCA peels need a neutralizer but to my recollection that is the only peel, that I have used, that needed one. I usually stick to enzyme peels which obviously don't need a neutralizer. I am wondering now if the lactic and glycolic are still mildly active when neutralizing with water only, maybe by neutralizing with sodium bicarbonate it stops it completely and immediately. I will have to research that before/if I ever attempt a more aggressive peel again!!! TY for the suggestion!
I did put on some Aquaphor last night, I used it after my profractional treatments so I figured it would be safe with this. DM, thanks for that suggestion as well. I had completely forgotten I even had some. It definitely helped even though sleeping with a goopy face felt disgusting!!
Keliu, I do think the reason I had such a bad reaction was because of the Retin A. I think I get more benefits from the Retin A than I do from the peels so I am going to ixnay the peels from my routine. Even if my skin looks awesome in a week having these down days is not worth it, imo. I used to have emu oil but I couldn't stand smelling like a greasy turkey even though I felt it was a good oil and I like the benefits of using it. After reading your post I was wishing I still had some because I would've used it.
I really like this board and hope to stick around and learn and hopefully help along the way too. I've been reading and lurking for at least a year and finally felt like getting involved, not really sure why it took me so long. Thank you again everyone for your healing vibes and the suggestions!! |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:51 am |
MM,
Glad to hear you are doing better! I am pretty sure once you reach 50 posts your 5 post day limit ends, I see this on some other forums as well, there have been issues with posting with just I agree and the like just to up the discount in the past so it was changed before I joined, I know it's a bit frustrating but passes and makes sense!
For all I found an interesting article about peels so I figured I would post the link here:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1125365-overview
Again Glad things are looking better and quickly! Take care.
DM |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:14 am |
MoxieMama wrote: |
Kassy, with lactic acid water is the neutralizer. I have never used anything but that with any lactic acid or glycolic peel I have done in a salon or at home. TCA peels need a neutralizer |
I thought TCA peels were self regulating and stopped working after 5-8 minutes? (Though I know some places still do recommend neutralizing after one to be on the safe side.)
I have only used soap and water after splashing off the lactic acid. I didn't think it needed a neutralizer either. |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:47 am |
rileygirl wrote: |
I thought TCA peels were self regulating and stopped working after 5-8 minutes? (Though I know some places still do recommend neutralizing after one to be on the safe side.)
I have only used soap and water after splashing off the lactic acid. I didn't think it needed a neutralizer either. |
The TCA peel I have that I bought, after attending a paramedical esthetician training on through Vivant, has a 4th step that was considered a neutralizer. It is a 4 step peel, Steps 2 and 3 have the TCA at a 7.5% and 15% respectively. Step 4 ingredients are... Sd Alcohol 40, Vitamin A Propionate, Propylene Glycol, Sosium PCA, Urea, Lactic Acid, Fructose, Sodium Lactate, Niacinimide, Inositol, Glycine, BHT
In our training when you started getting the frosting you moved on to the next step especially after applying the 15% TCA. My understanding was ( it has been 6 years since I took this class so I may not be totally accurate) was that you could get too deep of a peel if you let the acid stay active once the frosting started on step 3 so you immediately went to step 4 to neutralize.
It could be that home TCA peels are not as strong as this one and they do not ever reach the level of frosting this peel achieves so neutralizing is not necessary? Just guessing as I know nothing about other TCA peels, this is the only one I have experience with.
DM, that is a great article, well written and pretty comprehensive! Thanks for including that. |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:36 pm |
good to see that you're back and in the thick of it!
and thank you for letting us know, you're alright.
yes, after the 50 post restraint, you'll be a free woman. |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:55 pm |
Thanks MM,
I thought it was a good article (at least to start) for anyone considering any at home peels, or wishing to know what to expect from a professional one.
DM |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:22 pm |
MoxieMama wrote: |
The TCA peel I have that I bought, after attending a paramedical esthetician training on through Vivant, has a 4th step that was considered a neutralizer. It is a 4 step peel, Steps 2 and 3 have the TCA at a 7.5% and 15% respectively. Step 4 ingredients are... Sd Alcohol 40, Vitamin A Propionate, Propylene Glycol, Sosium PCA, Urea, Lactic Acid, Fructose, Sodium Lactate, Niacinimide, Inositol, Glycine, BHT
In our training when you started getting the frosting you moved on to the next step especially after applying the 15% TCA. My understanding was ( it has been 6 years since I took this class so I may not be totally accurate) was that you could get too deep of a peel if you let the acid stay active once the frosting started on step 3 so you immediately went to step 4 to neutralize.
It could be that home TCA peels are not as strong as this one and they do not ever reach the level of frosting this peel achieves so neutralizing is not necessary? Just guessing as I know nothing about other TCA peels, this is the only one I have experience with.
DM, that is a great article, well written and pretty comprehensive! Thanks for including that. |
Very interesting! I am doing the 12.5% TCA peels at home, and I get a frost on 2 layers. I don't neutralize though! How did that 2 step TCA peel work, meaning did it do any good on wrinkles? |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:39 pm |
rileygirl wrote: |
Very interesting! I am doing the 12.5% TCA peels at home, and I get a frost on 2 layers. I don't neutralize though! How did that 2 step TCA peel work, meaning did it do any good on wrinkles? |
As I said in my post above, the instructions from Makeupartistschoice say to neutralize with TCA but that it's not necessary with Lactic Acid.
Allot of people make a fuss about using TCA and point out how careful you have to be - but I always found that the Lactic Acid stung much, much more than the TCA. On me, it seemed to be far stronger, after 3 mins I'd be jumping up and down and fanning my face desperate to wash it off! |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:30 pm |
I think it's when I see 70% TCA peels mentioned being done at home then that's when I feel it's a bit over the top for a home treatment!
I have to say Kelilu the picture you gave me in my mind of jumping up and down and fanning your face gave me quite a laugh!
DM |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:47 pm |
DarkMoon wrote: |
I think it's when I see 70% TCA peels mentioned being done at home then that's when I feel it's a bit over the top for a home treatment!
I have to say Kelilu the picture you gave me in my mind of jumping up and down and fanning your face gave me quite a laugh! |
The TCA Peel was only 15% not 70%! I was referring to the 65% Lactic Acid Peel that felt like 1000 bees stinging me! But actually, it's pretty hard to get into trouble with doing these home peels - your skin lets you know when it's time to wash it off! But I do think it's wise not to use them whilst using Retin-A. |
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