Recommendation to stop hair loss in women
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free skin care · Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:13 pm

Is it normal for women with long hair to lose a lot of hair daily? I feel like I leave hair everywhere I go. I wonder if it's just a cycle that I have to go through or if it's permanent. I'm worried I'd become bald if this goes on for years.

I just turned 40, so does my age have anything to do with the hair loss?

Any recommendation for shampoo that may help stop the hair loss would be great too.

free skin care · Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:23 pm

Nioxin shampoo/cond is good for preventing hair loss and for healthier scalp. Since I've cut back from daily shampooing to 3X a week seems to have helped also, along with regular scalp massage.

free skin care · Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:26 pm

I have suffered with hair loss for 15+ years. Here is a thread we had on the topic some time ago...you will want to read some of the medical reasons that hair loss occurs.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29005

Right now I use Folligen for Blondes (definitely works) and alternate that with Fekkai More Nighttime treatment which contains niacin (increases circulation).

I am still a firm believer in Viviscal, though I had to take a break because it stopped working for me after using it for so many years.

free skin care · Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:27 pm

Bethany my mother-in-law is still seeing results with the laser max. Recently I have been thinking about the violet ray for scalp stimulation to add to her program. It is the high frequency facial device that has an attachment for the scalp. http://www.palaciaskincare.com/professional-grade-portable-high-frequency-machine-c-155-p-1-pr-237.html

Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:13 pm

Hi

I don’t know why people recommend you products when they don’t know what is causing your hair loss, but I can assure you that none of these products recommended here are made to treat the most common forms of alopecia in women. The most common causes of hair loss in women are hormonally related. Whether it is an overactive thyroid, after effects of menopause or pregnancy, or a genetic hormonal response to an autoimmune condition - there usually is a "good" reason why women lose their hair. The key is to find out what the reason is, and to then evaluate your options in dealing with it. Before you know what is causing the hair loss I would not go and buy any products at all. Treating the cause of the problem is allways easier than treating the problem itself, so go visit you doc, or derm and have him/her evaluate your situation Very Happy

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And yes, the hair grows in cycles. The grow cycle is called Anagen phase and it last from 2-3 years, the resting phase (Telogen phase) usually last around 3 months. Some of the hair grows while some of it is resting Razz

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Is it normal for women with long hair to lose a lot of hair daily?
Long hair does not contribute to hair loss. Most people would say that losing everything from 50-150 each day is normal, but how much you loose on a daily basis is not a problem if it grows back again. It’s when what you lose don’t grow back, and your hair is thinning you should be concerned.

Jenova

Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:45 pm

To keep the scalp clean is very important to me.

free skin care · Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:37 am

Jenova wrote:

Hi

I don’t know why people recommend you products when they don’t know what is causing your hair loss, but I can assure you that none of these products recommended here are made to treat the most common forms of alopecia in women. The most common causes of hair loss in women are hormonally related.

Jenova, welcome to EDS. Are you a hair loss specialist or a doctor?

Please note that I did indeed refer her to a thread that discussed medical reasons. Obviously you have to figure out WHY it is falling out before you can fully treat the problem.

But if I had waited exclusively for my doctor (who just said "lower your stress" when my hormones/thyroid/diet were all fine) without looking at options myself, I would be bald now.

free skin care · Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 am

Toby wrote:

Bethany my mother-in-law is still seeing results with the laser max. Recently I have been thinking about the violet ray for scalp stimulation to add to her program. It is the high frequency facial device that has an attachment for the scalp. http://www.palaciaskincare.com/professional-grade-portable-high-frequency-machine-c-155-p-1-pr-237.html

I'll have to check that out! I am not using mine at the moment...I save it for when I start going through a shedding phase again, sigh.

Has she tried the Folligen for Blondes? I was pretty impressed with the results when I started with that, and it won't discolor her hair.

Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:25 am

Hi bethany. Thanks for the welcome Very Happy

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Obviously you have to figure out WHY it is falling out before you can fully treat the problem.
But if I had waited exclusively for my doctor (who just said "lower your stress" when my hormones/thyroid/diet were all fine) without looking at options myself, I would be bald now.

You have the knowledge about it so it is for you, but unfortunately it’s not so obvious to all people. Very often I see people joining some of the major hair loss-boards and ask what they should do because they experience hair loss and have already spent a lot of money on product X, and Y and it just did not work. I can kind of understand them too because with all the aggressive marketing, and the jungle of snake-oil treatments out there it can often be tempting to try things even without enough knowledge to evaluate the effect it will have. Sometimes things sounds too good to be true, and we know it but we still buy it Smile

. Not to mention that seeing a doctor can also be expensive, and some may use it as a last resort when everything else have failed.

I did experience Sudden T.E 4 years ago, and like you my doctor could not diagnose or help me. So I started to learn about it myself, and in the process making friends with a lot of docs, researchers, and Alopecia board members and learning from them. Suddenly my hair just grew back on its own like it normally does after T.E and it’s no longer a problem. I do emphasize with those who experience hair loss because I know how stressful it can be.

Jenova

free skin care · Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:10 pm

Jenova - what is TE?

free skin care · Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:17 pm

Natalyn wrote:

Jenova - what is TE?

I am glad I am not the only one wondering, I was guessing Thyroid something but that's stabbing in the dark to be honest! Smile

DM

free skin care · Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:40 pm

hi,

was wondering if any of the experienced users, bethany or anyone else, have tried these products? i'm using the revitalash hair, jan marini hair, while supplement these topicals with manual and electric scalp massage. i've been staring at these products for awhile... and wanted to incorporate them into my hair/scalp treatment (for fuller and lush hair).

if anyone has tried these products, please, please, let me know. feedback would be greatly appreciated. TIA! TIA!

-Phyto Phytocyane Revitalizing Serum for Women (0.25oz x 12amps)

-Phyto Phytoaxil Fortinfying Intensive Care (1.7oz)

-Rene Furterer RF80 Concentrated Hair Strengthening Formula - 12 Ampoules -

-Rene Furterer Complexe 5 Regenerating Extract - 1.69 oz -

free skin care · Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:33 am

food intolerances/sensitivites can also play a part in hair loss

i'm intolerant to/can't properly assimilate most fruits (it's the acids not the sugar content that i am intolerant to)..and when i eat them (only a couple times a year) inevitabley i start to lose hair...and my hair loss stops as soon as my body re-stabilizes itself (usually, completely, a week after eating the fruit my hair loss has stopped)

free skin care · Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:30 pm

Hi everyone

TE is Telogen Effluviem.I went to see a dermatologist last year and she confirmed I had it, due to extreme emotional stress.Basically more hair goes into the shedding faze so you notice it coming out when you brush and wash it much more than usually and its an overall thinning of the hair without any large bald areas like alopecia.
There are a variety of reasons which cause TE stress is one, and the hair usually falls out about 3 months after the stressful event.After having a child also,certain medications can cause it and also extreme dieting or extreme exercising.Also thyroid and hormonal problems and aneamia.
Dandruff and psroisis can also cause hair loss.
My hair is coming back a little but it is still nowhere near as thick as it used to be.

It can be very frightening and worrying when you start seeing hair everywhere and unfortunately worrying about hairloss can cause more hairloss so I think firstly its best to see your doctor and get some blood tests and get her to check your scalp and hopefully reassurance if everything is ok that it is only temporary and will grow back.

free skin care · Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:14 pm

Rogaine aka minoxidil has been approved by the FDA to grow hair. It will stop hair from falling out. I've been using it for fifteen years or so and I am hypothyroid and menopausal. I do take bioidentical hormones for thyroid and menopause. Rogaine keeps the hair follicle in the growing phase all the time.

A lot of people swear by mixed amino acids if you have a nutritional deficiency.

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:30 am

Bethany - What Viviscal products did you use? I have fine-textured, tinted blonde hair that is thinning (aging) and breaks (general abuse: heat, velcro rollers) and need to get on some kind of program. I recently added 1000 mcg of biotin to my daily vitamins and am also trying to reduce the amount of -cones in my hair products, though it's difficult because the products that work best always have at least one cone. I did try Folligen regular shampoo/condish quite a few years ago but it didn't seem to work that well with my hair. Any info/advice would be appreciated.

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:55 pm

Jax wrote:

Bethany - What Viviscal products did you use? I have fine-textured, tinted blonde hair that is thinning (aging) and breaks (general abuse: heat, velcro rollers) and need to get on some kind of program. I recently added 1000 mcg of biotin to my daily vitamins and am also trying to reduce the amount of -cones in my hair products, though it's difficult because the products that work best always have at least one cone. I did try Folligen regular shampoo/condish quite a few years ago but it didn't seem to work that well with my hair. Any info/advice would be appreciated.

I used the Viviscal pills, and they stopped my shedding in about 3 weeks. I also tried the Viviscal Scalp Treatment, but I noticed that it contained something very similar to a copper peptide, so you are better off going with Folligen in that instance. However, I can only recommend the Folligen for Blondes (a tin peptide) since the copper petide completely hosed my hair color. Mad

(but so did Rogaine, sigh)

If you try the Viviscal pills, you need to give it at least 6 months, since it works faster in some than others. But it is not something that you have to use forever, like Rogaine.

I personally that shampoo/conditioner products for hair loss are generally too weak to do much. I would suggest a 2 prong approach...1) a hair loss program (like the Viviscal or Folligen for Blondes, AND 2)a separate treatment for your hair like a deep conditioner used weekly (I like the Neutrogena Professional Triple Moisture line, because it doesn't weigh my hair down). Because of the Viviscal price point, I would suggest starting with Folligen, and then trying Viviscal if you don't see growth in a couple of months.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Conditioner/Triple-Moisture-Deep-Recovery-Hair-Mask/ID=prod894427&navCount=1&navAction=push-product?V=G&ec=frgl_695019&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=sku894415

http://store.reverseskinaging.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=43

As far as the 'cones, I gave them up because I heard that long term usage can dry out your hair. I now use the Living Proof line and have been VERY happy with it...they have a new product called "Full" that will make your hair look MUCH thicker. They carry it at Sephora, but their website has way more info.

http://livingproof.com/product/nofrizz/?gclid=CJrj38Oyk6ACFVJR2godWXM_dg

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:05 pm

Bethany,
Great information on the Full product...I just watched the video. I do have a question, sometimes thickening serums make my hair too soft and lack enough texture to get any lift. Do you find this a problems with this product?

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:32 pm

Toby wrote:

Bethany,
Great information on the Full product...I just watched the video. I do have a question, sometimes thickening serums make my hair too soft and lack enough texture to get any lift. Do you find this a problems with this product?

You can use this with your regular styling products, so you should still be able to get your regular lift and texture. But you may not need as much since the Full will greatly increase the "thickness" of your hair.

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:29 pm

Bethany - Thanks, I'll look into the Viviscal pills and see if there is something they contain that I'm not already taking - I take a lot of vitamins but maybe I need to boost the mgs of some.

I had used the Neutrogena Triple Moisture products a couple of years ago and really liked the line, but I stopped last summer when I started to cut way back on -cones because this line is pretty heavy with them. I also use Living Proof No Frizz cream in the summer or when it's raining and I have some occasion to attend, but I didn't know about Full, so thanks for the heads up.

You seem to be an even bigger product junkie than I am, so let me ask have you ever used any of the following shampoos: Giovanni Magnetic, Crown and Glory, or Lily of the Desert Daily?

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:13 pm

I've been taking viviscal for 2 months now and have noticed that my hair seems thicker - I dnt need to use thickening mousse, and my hair can hold a style better..

I've been focusing on the area where I've been losing hair (small circular area at the top of the crown) and it doesnt look like there is lots more hair growth there so im thinking at the moment it is just stopping the shed..

Does anyone know if viviscal encourages new growth? I would like my part line to be much tighter in that area than it is at the moment! Sad

Other than that, I take a good multivit daily and mixed omegas, and occasionally do a preshampoo oil treatment in this area (a mix of argan, camellia, olive and castor oil with EOs Lavendar, rosemary, bay, geranium and chamomile).

I'm quite happy with the progress so far, but now want to see some new growth! I am planning on upping my protein intake to see if this helps with new growth Question

Maybe have a look at your diet and see if you need more protein??

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:24 pm

Jax wrote:

You seem to be an even bigger product junkie than I am, so let me ask have you ever used any of the following shampoos: Giovanni Magnetic, Crown and Glory, or Lily of the Desert Daily?

Sorry...I have not. But I am personally only using shampoo maybe once every 2-3 months, and just use conditioner the rest of the time. Believe it or not, it totally works and preserves my hair color.

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:27 pm

mowgli wrote:

Does anyone know if viviscal encourages new growth? I would like my part line to be much tighter in that area than it is at the moment! Sad

Viviscal will help reactivate live hair follicles that you already have that may be in a resting state. But it will not grow new follicles.

I don't mean this in a flippant manner, but have you considered changing your part? If you have a center part that is thin, you might find that a side part looks fuller. That definitely applies in my case.

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:48 pm

bethany wrote:

I can only recommend the Folligen for Blondes (a tin peptide) since the copper petide completely hosed my hair color. Mad

(but so did Rogaine)

I've been rubbing a bit of Skin Signals copper peptides, which I use on my face, on a small portion of my front hairline on one side, in addition to using minoxidil. Dr. Pickart recommended using both. Been doing that since January 1. That side seems to have slightly more hair but it's a bit hard to tell and may be too early. I didn't want to buy Folligen for Blondes and waste my money. I'll have to keep an eye on that area. I also only use 2% Rogaine and want to try 5% but I worry it may be too oily. The 2% hasn't hurt my blonde highlights at all.

I can't say I was impressed with the ingredients in Viviscal. You could buy them separately for less money.

free skin care · Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:18 pm

SoftSkin wrote:

I can't say I was impressed with the ingredients in Viviscal. You could buy them separately for less money.

Can you point us to the marine protein that they are using? I wasn't aware that they were specific enough that you could go out and purchase that exact component, so I would love any additional info!

I went through the CP phase some time ago, including buying Pickart's book, etc. Unfortunately, despite using his weakest formulation, I developed MORE lines under my eyes that took 6-9 months to go away. Hopefully you have a better result. But it just goes to show that what works for some may not work for others!

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