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maheen1
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:12 am      Reply with quote
Hey everyone....i was consudering to add oils in my night time face routine...i have heard that massaging ur face regularly with good oils cna help prevent and even cure wrinkles.
I am 30,,,and for the past 2 years i have noticed laugh lines are getting darker.dont wanna cosider injections...
So anyway,,,does anyone knows if we have to massage our faces with oils or we have to only apply few drops to it...
Which oils are moisturizing and good for wrinkles ?

I have heard about the following oils...
1...Avocado oil
2..rosehip
3..jojoba
4,,emu oil
5..Olive oil
6...squalane oil or squalene ???
7...Coconut oil
8...Almond oil

Should i apply all of these oild one by one on different days or there is one oil that would do everything for my skin..i m concerned about preventing wrinkles...Smile
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:34 am      Reply with quote
I think any of the oils you listed below would be helpful for moisturizing and can be good for the skin but they wont prevent wrinkles.

I like to mix a carrier oil with HA to use as a moisturizer. I also some times spot treat areas with oils, I'll just apply some to a qtip.

If you are interested in wrinkles prevention look into getting retin-a, start using an antioxidant serum and be sure to use a sunscreen daily.
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:11 am      Reply with quote
I would recommend the top 3: Jojoba Oil, which supplies the wax esters similar to what is in your own natural skin oils (sebum).... Macadamia Oil, since it provides a fatty acid profile almost identical to natural skin sebum, and it is a stable oil, and squalene to supply the squalene found in natural skin oils.

When you keep your skin regimen "skin friendly" you can be assured that the skin will assimilate these materials without disruption or irritation. Keeping your skin moisturized with these types of emollients is the best anti-aging thing you can do for your skin when dealing with NATURAL botanical skin actives.

And, as a bonus, these oils will be fast penetrating and non-greasy. They are what we call in the industry "dry emollients", because of the fast penetration and non-greasy skin feel.

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Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:47 am      Reply with quote
John,

I am curious what is your take on using oils (which I love) as your only moisturizer? I have been wondering about this do we need a humectant for the skin as well as the good oils or do you feel that the oils alone are enough for most of us?

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i have been use rosehip oil for years, i feel it really helps heal the skin. however it is oily....

any of these oil are not that oily?
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:07 pm      Reply with quote
thank u sooooooo much girls....i will soon buy these oils and incorporate them in to my night time routine....
Girlie girl,,,,i am already using retin a...which antioxidant i should use ? which brand,,,how often ?
Thanks girls...u r a big help to me...
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Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:23 pm      Reply with quote
You may also want to consider Argan Oil.
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what is argan oil...have never heard of it...
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Argan oil is an oil produced from the kernels of the argan tree, endemic to Morocco, that is valued for its nutritive, cosmetic and numerous medicinal properties. The tree, a relict species from the Tertiary age, is extremely well adapted to drought and other environmentally difficult conditions of southwestern Morocco. The species Argania once covered North Africa and is now endangered and under protection of UNESCO.[1] The Argan tree grows wild in semi-desert soil, its deep root system helping to protect against soil erosion and the northern advance of the Sahara.[2] This biosphere reserve, the Arganeraie Biosphere Reserve, covers a vast intramontane plain of more than 2,560,000 hectares, bordered by the High Atlas and Anti-Atlas Mountains and open to the Atlantic in the west. Argan oil remains one of the rarest oils in the world due the small and very specific growing area.

Argan trees were first reported by the explorer Leo Africanus in 1510. An early specimen was taken to Amsterdam where it was cultivated by Lady Beaufort at Badminton c1711[citation needed].

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argan_oil?wasRedirected=true

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Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:29 pm      Reply with quote
There is another article about it's benefits here:


http://www.care2.com/greenliving/is-argan-oil-miraculous.html

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Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:29 am      Reply with quote
There is quite a lot rosehip products.there is a brand called trilogy which use rosehip oil in one of its line.It is quite difficult for me to use some oil directly.
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:34 am      Reply with quote
3rd.oculus wrote:
You may also want to consider Argan Oil.


Argan Oil should be avoided at all costs. Again this is something I learned from Dr. Pickart.

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Argan oil can induce anaphylaxis. This is an acute and often fatal allergic response.

It also can damage heart tissue.

Allergy. 2009 Oct 15. [Epub ahead of print]
Anaphylaxis to argan oil.
Astier C, Benchad YE, Moneret-Vautrin DA, Bihain BE, Kanny G.


Therapie. 2002 May-Jun;57(3):246-52.
[The effect of argan oil on heart function during ischemia and reperfusion]
Benajiba N, Morel S, De Leiris J, Boucher F, Charrouf Z, Mokhtar N, Aguenaou H.
Laboratoire de Nutrition et Alimentation, FacultÚ des Sciences, UniversitÚ Ibn Tofail, KÚnitra, Maroc.

The aim of this study was to evaluate the effect of organ oil on isolated heart function before and after ischemia and on the activity of cardiac antioxidant enzymes. 16 Wistar rats were divided into 2 groups; control group and treated group receiving 5 mL/kg/day of argan oil. After 8 weeks of treatment, hearts were perfused and subjected to a global ischemia followed by reperfusion. Activity of cardiac antioxidant enzymes was assessed in freeze-clamped hearts at the end of reperfusion. Results showed that argan oil induces: 1--damage to heart function during the preischemic period, 2--decreased functional recovery during reperfusion and 3--significant increase in catalase activity. It seems that, in our experimental conditions, organ oil increases heart sensitivity to ischemia and reperfusion. However, the mechanism involved has yet to be understood.

http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8890018252/m/917109473?r=917109473#917109473


Bilogical Healing Oil's like Emu or Squalane would be a better choice. Jojoba is also good.

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Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:48 am      Reply with quote
Individual people can be and are allergic to anything, one member had a horrible allergic reaction th Avacodo Oil, yet most use it without issue. Many here and in general are using Argan oil with no adverse effects.

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Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:22 am      Reply with quote
This is not just about fatal allergic reactions.

Beyond the allergic reaction that it can induce in some, it is the damage to the heart that got my attention. Shock This may not hit you all at once like anaphylaxis, but it could cause cumulative damage with no immediate side effects.

Knowing that, it is not worth the risk to me. Especially since there a better, safer oils to use.
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Taken in a rather high dose orally by rats? I don't think that's the same as external use! If you check you can also find studies that Jojoba can be toxic also, but you would have to look beyond Dr. P to find that.

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Taken in a rather high dose orally by rats? I don't think that's the same as external use! If you check you can also find studies that Jojoba can be toxic also, but you would have to look beyond Dr. P to find that.


Actually, I do not think Dr. P is much a fan of Jojoba Oil. He recommends BHO's like Emu Oil and Squalane for the skin.

Although, I don't think he puts Jojoba Oil in the same BAD category as Argan Oil. They are not equal, good or bad.

Organic Extra Virgin Coconut Oil is extremely healthy and beneficial when taken internally. Smile
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Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:26 am      Reply with quote
Yep
I have used EVOO or Coconut oil for cooking for years that really isn't earth shattering news! I think most know about the benefits of EVOO.

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Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:20 am      Reply with quote
Yes, Most everyone knows how healthy EVOO is and a better choice in cooking than saturated and polyunsaturated fats.

But many aren't aware of the benefits Extra Virgin Coconut Oil when eaten. Not meant to be earth shattering Laughing LOL, rather just pointing it out from the above list posted by Maheen1 for those who may not know.
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Star Model wrote:
Yes, Most everyone knows how healthy EVOO is and a better choice in cooking than saturated and polyunsaturated fats.

But many aren't aware of the benefits Extra Virgin Coconut Oil when eaten. Not meant to be earth shattering Laughing LOL, rather just pointing it out from the above list posted by Maheen1 for those who may not know.


I see Coconut Oil mentioned quote a bit on the smoothie thread and others that have to do with nutrition so I think those that explore what is healthy may be well aware of it's value in that respect.

Other than Dr. P I find sources that disagree about Argan oil for example:

Argan oil is an oil produced from the kernels of the argan tree, endemic to Morocco, that is valued for its nutritive, cosmetic and numerous medicinal properties.á

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:04 pm      Reply with quote
Eeep, didn't mean to introduce controversy!

WHile it's good to be aware of the affects of what we use on our skin, I think there's a big difference between using a couple drops of Argan oil topically and ingesting as much as was given to those rats. They got 5 mL/kg/day of argan oil - for a 50kg woman, you'd need to drink 250mL, 1 cup, every day to approximate that!
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I found this overview on argan oil from Dr Baumann informative: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:fkGiqb2CPzQJ:www.skinandallergynews.com/perspectives/cosmeceutical-critique-by-leslie-s-baumann/blog/argan-oil/70202933e0.html

There's also this thread where many EDSers shared their experience with argan oil: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29936&highlight=argan

I personally like it a lot.
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Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:30 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks for the links Havana! Smile
I see that many members are very happy with using Argan Oil. Smile

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Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:17 am      Reply with quote
All of you,thanks alot for the help...will get these ils,,,probably any 3 of them and incorporate them in to my night regimen once i am finished wiht my obagi nuderm 24 weeks Smile
thanks again Smile
u guys r great.......
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:12 am      Reply with quote
with all my respect to dr pickard I think this is absurd! He just wants to sell his oils!

We eat argan oil and cook with it in morocco. I never heard of any side affects from it. it was first discovere to treat diabetes and cured so many.

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3rd.oculus wrote:
You may also want to consider Argan Oil.


Argan Oil should be avoided at all costs. Again this is something I learned from Dr. Pickart.

Quote:
Argan oil can induce anaphylaxis. This is an acute and often fatal allergic response.

It also can damage heart tissue.

Allergy. 2009 Oct 15. [Epub ahead of print]
Anaphylaxis to argan oil.
Astier C, Benchad YE, Moneret-Vautrin DA, Bihain BE, Kanny G.


Therapie. 2002 May-Jun;57(3):246-52.
[The effect of argan oil on heart function during ischemia and reperfusion]
Benajiba N, Morel S, De Leiris J, Boucher F, Charrouf Z, Mokhtar N, Aguenaou H.
Laboratoire de Nutrition et Alimentation, FacultÚ des Sciences, UniversitÚ Ibn Tofail, KÚnitra, Maroc.

The aim of this study was to evaluate the effect of organ oil on isolated heart function before and after ischemia and on the activity of cardiac antioxidant enzymes. 16 Wistar rats were divided into 2 groups; control group and treated group receiving 5 mL/kg/day of argan oil. After 8 weeks of treatment, hearts were perfused and subjected to a global ischemia followed by reperfusion. Activity of cardiac antioxidant enzymes was assessed in freeze-clamped hearts at the end of reperfusion. Results showed that argan oil induces: 1--damage to heart function during the preischemic period, 2--decreased functional recovery during reperfusion and 3--significant increase in catalase activity. It seems that, in our experimental conditions, organ oil increases heart sensitivity to ischemia and reperfusion. However, the mechanism involved has yet to be understood.

http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8890018252/m/917109473?r=917109473#917109473


Bilogical Healing Oil's like Emu or Squalane would be a better choice. Jojoba is also good.

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Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:52 am      Reply with quote
maheen, just wanted to add that Nature's Gift has a Mature Skin Sampler Pack of rejuvenating oils that includes Apricot Kernel, Peach Kernel, Argan, Borage Seed, Evening Primrose, Pomegranate and Rose Hip Seed oils which is a great way to see how your skin gets on with them before spending a lot of money as well as a Mature Skin Elixir blend that incorporates Jojoba, Sea Buckthorn Berry and Rose Hip Seed oils.
http://www.naturesgift.com/aromatherapyskincare.htm#Elixir

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