Skin Biology's Copper Peptides
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free skin care · Wed May 23, 2012 6:19 pm

LoriA wrote:

foxe wrote:

I wouldn't use CPs with a zinc based product like your Devita, though. Dr Pickart has said the zinc binds to the CPs and *may* interfere with it. No sense buying a skincare product only to use it with something that might render it ineffective. Use your vit C in the morning instead. Then alternate the Retin A w/ the CPs or use the CPs first and then apply the retin A after the CPs absorb.

Hi Foxe, you indicated in that last line that I could apply my super ghk & then tretinoin after, which I've been doing from time to time when I've been too lazy and missed a night of one or the other.
I happened to glance at the first page of the thread today where you've written:
"What can’t you use them with
First generation CPs (e.g.Neova/Neutrogena) are not stable when used with acids so you cannot combine them with AHAs, BHAs, Retin A etc."
so I'm nervous. I'm probably misunderstanding something or maybe the data changed since then so I thought I'd check. Could you clarify?

My skin's looking fabulous these days, so thanks again!

The GHK-Cu is the first generation CP that Dr Pickart discovered and has developed. It is also the one used by Procyte(Neova) and Neutrogena. Dr Pickart found that the GHK was very fragile. Enzymes broke it down very fast. So he developed the 2nd generation copper peptides to be breakdown resistant and had them designed with skin care in mind (rather than wound healing which is what the GHK was first developed for). The 2nd gen CPs CAN handle being exposed to acids like AHAs and BHAs where the GHK cannot.

So, the advice is to use a GHK CP at a separate time of day than an acid. The 2nd gen CPs can be with an acid with no problems.

On the Retin A and GHK-Cu CPs, I have changed my opinion on that. I have found that a lot of retinoids have a higher pH than I previously thought. I know my Retin A Micro has a pH close to 6 as did the Tazorac I used prior to RAM. If your retinoid has a low pH (like an acid - which should be close to 3.5 or lower to be effective), then it might cause a problem with a GHK CP. Retinoids are different than acids like beta or alpha hydroxy ones, so this might explain your experience.

At Skin Biology - the only products they sell that have the GHK-Cu in them are the Super GHK Serum, Super GHK Cream and the Skin Signals Cream (which is a mix of the 1st and 2nd gens). All the rest have the 2nd gen CPs in them (and there are a LOT of products!)

Of course - if you're having success doing the routine you have now - stick with it!! (FYI- I use to apply my Retin A, wait 45 min to an hour, and then my CPs and had GREAT results w/ that method) You have to trial things out for yourself to see what works for YOU.

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:50 pm

That was a good tip foxe! I use the GHK and find it gives me all I need in a CP. I do have some CP serum and Skin signals serum, but just prefer GHK. I use the cream around my eyes and the serum elsewhere. Some people simply cannot use the stronger products. I do use the Super Cop on a very limited basis for scars but am careful not to get it near my under eyes or lids.
What works best for me is to alternate RA and CP nights. I do love the CP "glow" though.

free skin care · Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:43 pm

brierrose wrote:

Sorry Foxe, don't want to add to any confusion but I thought the SS cream had both GHK and 2nd gen CP's?

I had that backwards - YIKES! The SS Serum only has 2nd gen and the SS Cream has both. I must've been sleeping on that one! Brick wall

Still - I know SB has stated

Quote:

Skin Signals Cream is designed as a mild skin maintenance product for firming and tightening skin. If you are working on remodeling the skin, you should stick with the stronger products.

free skin care · Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:05 am

I think it is pretty much a given that products work for SOME, but not ALL people. This forum is a good place to exchange information on what has worked FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. It is a generous gesture.

I am so grateful to posters who report on their individual experiences; it is counter productive to be angry if a recommended product has proved to be ineffective for oneself, in spite of recommendations by others.

Just look around anytime you are out in public: human beings are hugely variable and it would be impossible for any one product to be universally effective.

Hostility towards members who endorse a product that is ineffective for you lowers the tone of the forum and will make other members less likely to share information and opinions.

Just my opinion.

free skin care · Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:59 pm

Hi taligator,

I've never used the Herzog line, but I would think it might be best to introduce a new line, like the CPs, on their own. I'm not sure the two would play together very well - LOL.

If your acne seems under control, but you're not getting results on sun damage, then the CPs would be a good product to try. Maybe set aside your fav KH products and try some of the CPs and see how things go. I found they worked great on texture problems on my skin, plus they firmed things up.

You could try one of their kits. It looks like you might want to get one with an exfoliator in it since a couple of your fav KH ones have that. I like the Lactic 10 one, but they have a couple of others.

The problem with CPs is choosing which one! They have sooo many.

I have oily skin so I tend to go with the serums. However, I do like the creams and I don't seem to have any problems with the Skin Signals cream or the new 3% GHK one. In fact, I do have some drier areas and these 2 creams help keep those areas smooth.

I started out with the regular CP Serum, which is easy to dilute for beginners, and that worked out fine for me then and I've gone back to it many times over the years. It's inexpensive and works really well. If you have dry skin, though, try one of the creams for that. And, I recommend using one of their exfoliators. They are gentle enough for daily use and work well with the CPs.

free skin care · Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:16 am

taligator wrote:

OK, I think what I'm going to do is this:

Dr. Loren Pickart's Face and Body Cleanser
Lactic Power 10
CP Serum
Sample of: TriReduction Cream

Smile

Looks good. Just remember to introduce the CP Serum gradually. And take pics and report back for us - K?

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