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havana8
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:30 pm  |
This is interesting--
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Botox Limits Ability to Feel Emotions
Davis and his Barnard colleague Ann Senghas led a team of researchers who showed people emotionally charged videos both before and after they were injected with either Botox, or Restylane — a substance injected into lips or facial wrinkles that fills out sagging skin. Restylane was used as a control because it simply adds filler but doesn't limit the movement of muscles.
Compared with the control group, the Botox participants "exhibited an overall significant decrease in the strength of emotional experience," the researchers wrote in a paper published in the June issue of the journal Emotion. In particular, the Botox group responded less strongly to mildly positive clips after they had the injections than before the Botox. |
The full article can be found here on Live Science:
http://www.livescience.com/health/botox-limits-emotions-100622.html
Botox May Deaden Not Just Nerves, But Emotions, Too
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/02/09/botox-may-deaden-not-just-nerves-but-emotions-too/ |
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:55 pm |
This seems pretty scary to me!!
I am using Safe-tox with great results, wonder if this would have the same effect on a person as Botox??  |
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:40 pm |
I'm finding this hard to believe. I don't think my emotions are born out of frowning. Emotions seem to come from deep within, or perhaps, the heart. Having recently lost both my parents, I've been on a roller coaster of emotions - none of which seem to have been dulled by my forehead full of Botox.
How did they determine that these people weren't feeling the emotions? - it's not really fully explained. And does this equate with Botox being an antidepressant? - I doubt it. |
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:57 pm |
Maybe less emotion would make my work days a little more tolerable!  |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:08 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| Maybe less emotion would make my work days a little more tolerable! |
Yep, sounds like a good reason for more Botox to me!! Sometimes I wouldn't mind my senses numbed along with my wrinkles! |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:41 am |
| I have not noticed that to be true at all. Bottom line.....I want to use it because it makes me look a LOT younger...in 2 days...instant gratification! |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:48 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
I'm finding this hard to believe. I don't think my emotions are born out of frowning. Emotions seem to come from deep within, or perhaps, the heart. Having recently lost both my parents, I've been on a roller coaster of emotions - none of which seem to have been dulled by my forehead full of Botox.
How did they determine that these people weren't feeling the emotions? - it's not really fully explained. And does this equate with Botox being an antidepressant? - I doubt it. |
I can't imagine this either, I think it works in the reverse our emotions and thoughts cause expressions, but just because the muscles aren't allowing those expressions wouldn't cause lack of the actual emotion? What about people with say bell's palsy and stroke survivors do we think they suddenly feel less? I don't think so. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:35 am |
Are you not scared about it ending up elsewhere though? I read a local newspaper over here in the UK, and it seemed to suggest that as it was a fluid, the real long term disadvantages had just started emerging and it was found that it travelled into the brain, and around the body. Knowing my luck, I'd get it done, and it would end up somewhere I needed movement rather than my forehead.
Do you have pics Lucy that you can show us of you without it and with it?
| lucyluc wrote: |
| I have not noticed that to be true at all. Bottom line.....I want to use it because it makes me look a LOT younger...in 2 days...instant gratification! |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:50 am |
| there are plenty of pics on the net showing before after pics....I only use it for the crows feet since I dont really have wrinkles in forehead and have bangs anyway. Its been used safely for over 10 yrs. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:27 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| What about people with say bell's palsy and stroke survivors do we think they suddenly feel less? I don't think so. |
Good point!
Botox has been used for over twenty years for the treatment of Cerebral Palsy.
I asked my doctor about the study which stated that Botox can end up in the brain. She was very well informed about it and said that the study was done on mice and was completely flawed - she said the mice were given massive doses of Botox injected directly into the brain, which produced the adverse effects. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:04 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| What about people with say bell's palsy and stroke survivors do we think they suddenly feel less? I don't think so. |
Good point!
Botox has been used for over twenty years for the treatment of Cerebral Palsy.
I asked my doctor about the study which stated that Botox can end up in the brain. She was very well informed about it and said that the study was done on mice and was completely flawed - she said the mice were given massive doses of Botox injected directly into the brain, which produced the adverse effects. |
OMG - Well if they injected it directy into the brain of the mice OF COURSE it's going to end up there   Talk about flawed! (That's the problem with many scientific "studies").... |
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:06 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| Maybe less emotion would make my work days a little more tolerable! |
Should be listed as one of the advantages to Botox  |
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:02 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| OMG - Well if they injected it directy into the brain of the mice OF COURSE it's going to end up there Talk about flawed! (That's the problem with many scientific "studies").... |
Someone has PMed me with the link to the actual study - apparently, the Botox was injected into the whisker muscles as well as the brain - you can read it here:
http://journals.lww.com/neurotodayonline/Fulltext/2008/06050/Study_Finds_Botulinum_Toxin_Spreads_to_CNS_Tissue.13.aspx
The study was conducted in 2008 and is raised from time to time on this Forum. It certainly doesn't seem to have impacted on the popularity of Botox though. |
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:26 am |
I have had botox and I don't think my emotions and expressing/felling them have changed a bit. I don't think I will do a botox treatment again because I got bunny lines or it deepened them.
I am starting to think that since botox paralyzed the muscles in the crows' feet area then the other muscles where my bunny lines reside had to work harder to compensate; this is just my theory. |
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:13 pm |
| margarett wrote: |
I have had botox and I don't think my emotions and expressing/felling them have changed a bit. I don't think I will do a botox treatment again because I got bunny lines or it deepened them.
I am starting to think that since botox paralyzed the muscles in the crows' feet area then the other muscles where my bunny lines reside had to work harder to compensate; this is just my theory. |
I am not sure if my emotions changed also, but how much it helped keep my face straight at the most very difficult times of my life. I found that trying to make a negative facial expression was difficult to do when on Botox and slowly changed my negative attitude to neutral or simply positive. Part was that trying to make negative expression gave me a headache.
I'm off it now and thought I had no problems getting off of it, but last fall/winter was the H1N1 outbreak. I decided to get the H1N1 flu shot and that very same day, I got the flu, but not H1N1. After four days of having a fever, it broke, but had this massive headache and had to go to the hospital. CAT was done and no extra fluid in the brain. So I really don't believe that Botox can add any extra fluid to the brain, but my theory is that perhaps that once Botox was out of my system, making any negative facial expression would give me bad headaches. |
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:33 pm |
| Lets see most women needing Botox are perimenopausal age so being less angry, less depressed and crying less is not a bad thing! What I have learned from these studies is that whenever you are going to give mega doses to your experimental subjects then bad things will happend! |
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Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:27 am |
| Skincare wrote: |
| ... but my theory is that perhaps that once Botox was out of my system, making any negative facial expression would give me bad headaches. |
I don't understand that at all. Actually, Botox is supposed to help keep headaches at bay. I suffer from migraines and I know it helps me, it's basically the main reason why I like to have it.
Surely, our faces are in a constant state of flux - we're constantly making facial expressions all the time - without thinking. I don't think about whether I'm going to make a negative or a positive facial expression, they just happen, depending on my mood. Our expressions are brought on by our feelings. And our forehead muscles move all the time, you would have to have a headache 24/7. |
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Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:06 am |
I got off of Botox and to me, it appears from that massive headache, there was no extra liquid in my brain. I think that when you get off Botox, your headache can come back for a short period of time because your brain is remembering how to make those facial expression that you haven't done in years.
I could be wrong or simply my headache was part of my flu that I had. Since then, I never had that experience again. |
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Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:45 am |
| Skincare wrote: |
I got off of Botox and to me, it appears from that massive headache, there was no extra liquid in my brain. I think that when you get off Botox, your headache can come back for a short period of time because your brain is remembering how to make those facial expression that you haven't done in years.
I could be wrong or simply my headache was part of my flu that I had. Since then, I never had that experience again. |
When you use Botox, your brain does not forget how to make facial expressions - your muscles simply become unable to make them. Your brain is NOT affected by Botox.
It is common to get a headache the first couple of times Botox is injected - but I have never heard of a constant headache from making facial expressions after it has worn off. It's most likely that the headache was a symptom of your flu virus. |
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Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:14 am |
| In my case, one of the (many) reasons I love Botox is that I get fewer tension headaches. I think some of my tension headaches generate from the "elevens" area. When I can't tense those muscles, which several people including a plastic surgeon, have told me are very strong in my case, I don't get the headaches. Of course, the other side effects are wonderful too! |
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