Anyone tried the P8N8 skincare range?
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Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:55 am

Read a couple of reviews about their products on the ivillage website - the eyecream was highly recommended, just wondered if anyone has tried it and what they thought of it? The website is:www.p8n8.co.uk

Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:28 am

Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:31 am

You read about the Oscar goodie bag too hey? Smile

I was going to post and ask about this as well Embarassed

free skin care · Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:10 am

These creams are very similar to the Karin Herzog range which oxygenate the skin. Ive used them and they are expensive and in all honesty they didn't do a great deal for me, except turn my eyebrows ginger!!!!! Laughing

Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:33 am

Thank you Cindi - my list just got shorter Smile

It's nice to have some trusted opinions to cut through the marketing stuff.

By the sounds of what happened to your eyebrows (poor girl!) P8N8 uses hydrogen peroxide.

free skin care · Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:40 am

I initially liked the Herzog cream, now I'm not so sure, well its good at zapping zits and they do a good facial.

free skin care · Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:55 am

Haven't use P8N8 but have used Karin Herzog - wasn't overly impressed - felt cloying on my skin and is full of chemicals. VERY expensive - it is good at clearing up the odd spot though I agree.

Incidentally I did try Peel Therapy made by the same people who make P8N8 and it worked ok but after a few uses I couldn't put it on my skin as it stung like mad (even cutting down the time it was on and frequency to much less than was recommended) Sad

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Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:26 am

Hello,
I think I've come in on this forum a bit late but I have to say I love P8N8. This is the first range I have used that actually cares for and heals my skin. I've used countless other products and including otheroxygen ranges. This is the only one that has made a difference. I'm sure it's the ingredients. The Karin Herzog range has mineral oil so it will feel heavy on the skin.

by the way, the P8N8 package does say to avoid eyebrows. I've spoke to them as well and they have said it will lighten hair over time but does not bleach skin. I've found my once dark moustache is now quite blonde so I don't wax my upper lip anymore - quite handy. Every time I've had a question they have helped me and actually steered me to the best products for me as I was going to use one just because it sounded great but when I spoke to them, they said I would be better off with something else in the range. I've yet to be disappointed. Have you seen their mineral cosmetics? Fab!

Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:13 am

I did cave and I bought their toner ages ago (some time after making the above post Embarassed

). It's nice and feels soothing, one thing I don't like though is to use hydrogen peroxide on the skin on a regular basis and I think this is what it uses (hence the lightening of hair). Anyway, I haven't really seen any results but I haven't used it regularly. Right now I have a whole lineup of toners (and lots more!) that I'm trying to use up one by one. I'll get to it eventually Smile

free skin care · Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:32 am

I thought this stuff looked interesting, but... there are no ingredients listed, I am a bit suspicious about 'bio energised' I mean, WTH is that huh? I'm also a bit scarne about using 'oxygenating' products, but only cause there is a big thing about them on the skin bio site which suggests that long term use may actually damage the skin Shock

I know that this could jut be scare tactics, (they also say the same thing about HA) but generally,they don't try to put people off using other products. So maybe there is something in it after all?

Also, this stuff is waaaaaay to expensive!

Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:32 pm

Hi
I can tell you with complete confidence that you have nothing to worry about with the Hydrogen peroxide. It is stabilised - that's why the Japanese green tea is in it. Didn't you get a leaflet explaining the science behind the range?

What's Bio Energized? It's the most amazing part about the whole range. It has a sort of "energy" created by naturally occuring ions. I know I sound like a geek. I've truly done my homework on this one. This range is light years ahead of anything available today. The price is not really expensive because a) it works and b) it lasts forever.
Don't let it sit on the shelf!

free skin care · Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:02 am

Bio energised is not fully explained anywhere on the web site, neither is there any clinical research done to support the claims, therefore I take it to be meaningless hype.

It is expensive and there are lots of other actives out there which do work, have been shown to work and are way cheaper.

Also, Pammy, how can you say 'with complete confidence' that using hydrogen peroxide is OK? Are you a scientist? Do you work for this company?

Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:57 pm

I can say it with complete confidence because I work in the industry. There is nothing in STABILISED hydrogen peroxide that is going to harm your skin. Just because a website doesn't describe what Bio Energised is doesn't mean it's hype. Why don't you contact the manufacturers. They are quite happy to explain the system and they are scientists. They explained it to me which is why I now use it and recommend for my clients. Active ingredients mean nothing if there is nothing to transport them. Read your labels. I'm willing to bet whatever you think is fantastic is mostly water. Cheap products have cheap ingredients. The more water present the more preservatives required. Water and preservatives do NOTHING for your skin.

free skin care · Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:35 pm

You really should read the forum a bit more before you post then you would know better than to make such fatuous remarks:lol:

free skin care · Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:54 pm

Alert message for (Pbsadhaka)Darren,
You are one of our resident ingredient experts we have come to rely on your opinion. So what do you think of 'Bio energised' & do you know what it means? ( Not that I am trying to involve you in a mini dispute). Very Happy

Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:40 pm

pammy05 wrote:

I'm willing to bet whatever you think is fantastic is mostly water. Cheap products have cheap ingredients.

How much are you willing to bet? I'd be quite interested in making this bet with you actually - mainly 'coz I don't see how I can lose. You're making a very big assumption here and I would be willing to bet that many people on this forum have done plenty of thorough research before they bought the products they are using. Empty statements like "it's bio energised" aren't really going to cut it around here....

Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:55 am

I joined this forum as I was under the impression it was different. I was sharing information that is not based on hype but years of researching products, the industry and more. I apologise if I have offended anyone and will plan not to participate, only read. All the best.

Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:58 am

Forgot to mention I will also take you up on the bet as well. Post the first 10 ingredients on the five main products you use - including shampoo - no need to post brand names just ingredients. We'll go from there.

free skin care · Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:18 am

Would you mind posting the ingredients for P8N8 as well? See, that is my biggest beef with these kind of websites, they expect you to fork out a lot of money and you do not know what you are paying for. You say cheap products have cheap ingredients, that's true, but often expensive products have expensive ingredients as well (look at la prairie!).

As for paying for water, well it is true, most cosmetics are water based, but that does not mean that they are no good and do not contain any active ingredients. Water is also quite effective as a carrier, as is Prop /butyl Glycol. I expect P8N8 also has water as the main ingredient in most of their products, but like I say, they don't post ingredients, so how can one tell?

As for me, I mostly use C serum in a PG base, agireline/matrixyl in a hyaluronic acid base and jojoba oil on top. I use Cop Peps at night which is water based and yes, my shampoo is water based, but I have yet to see one which isn't (apart from solid SLS based ones, but I hate SLS and don't use it).

Please feel free to list the first 10 ingredients of your shampoo and other products you use Smile

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:48 am

Hello,
I am the UK distributor for the P8N8 products. I was alerted to this discussion and the potential misunderstanding of the P8N8 range.

I am happy to answer any questions to the best of my knowledge. If I cannot, I will get the answer directly from the product formulator.

I can confirm that the Bio Energized technology is indeed a huge list (over 30) naturally occuring ions that create an energy that is biologically compatible with skin for deeper penetration - thus the name Bio Energized. It is a proprietary technology that if you had to compare it to something, it is similar to liposomes and nanosomes in that it is a product delivery mechanism yet different due to the energy.

There is hydrogen peroxide in the products but as already noted it is stabilised so it is not in its original form you are used to. It will lighten hair over time but not skin. In two products the concentration is 1%. In all others, it is less than that.

There are many fabulous ingredients in the range each playing an important part. In fact, our training course goes through the ingredients and their compatibility with your skin. We are very thorough.

Feel free to contact us for further information or book in a demo to learn firsthand for yourself. We are concious of many great products available today and are always proud when P8N8 is selected. I would also welcome contact from the resident specialists to fully brief them about the range.

This forum is loaded with extremely useful information. Having read a few threads, I am impressed at the incredible knowledge shared. I hope we can do the same.

Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:58 am

To answer the previous posting which I omitted. The main ingredient throughout the P8N8 range is Bio Energized Japanese Green Tea.

Other top ingredients include Jojoba Oil, Botanical Glycerin, Palm oil, Kaolin, Maple Extract, Sea Kelp, Aloe, Cermamide Complex, Vitamin C, E, F, H, K, BAcillus ferment (like an AHA but 20 times more effective), Evening primrose, Rosewood oil, Bilberry Extract.

I've picked these out from around 10 products.

Ingredients are pharmaceutical quality and where required medical quality.

I hope this helps.

Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:06 pm

pammy05 wrote:

I joined this forum as I was under the impression it was different. I was sharing information that is not based on hype but years of researching products, the industry and more. I apologise if I have offended anyone and will plan not to participate, only read. All the best.

You had the right impression, it is different. What you must consider though is that coming in here without reading up about it much and then telling us to read our labels and declaring that what we think is fantastic is mostly water, probably isn't the best way to introduce yourself. In fact, any post from a new user that includes "manufacturer talk" rather than personal experience with a product always seems a bit iffy to me.

As for the products, I don't have full ingredients lists in electronic form but you can look them up if you wish. Dr Hauschka Cleansing Cream, Decleor Essential Balm, JB C&C serum (which probably is mostly water, but has a fantastic effect on my skin nonetheless), Eminence Rosehip Whip Moisturiser (which I don't really like but I'm trying to use up), Cellcosmet Eye Contour Cream. There's lots more - if you're on here long enough you'll know that I can't limit myself to five products Smile

I can certainly tell you that when you look up products from Eminence Organics and Dr Hauschka (not sure if all) water is way down the list.

I can't see how you would go about proving that they're mostly water though. Even if water is listed as the first ingredient - this does not mean that the product is mostly water, it just means that there's more water than each individual other ingredient.

Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:08 am

I do beg your pardon. You are correct. I answered in haste. I have since read more threads and see many of you are all tuned in. I do apologise for my over-zealous responses. Thanks for bringing me back down to earth.I reacted to the "WTH" comment. For an informed panel, that wasn't the brightest of postings either.

Whatever the first ingredient is on any label is the largest concentration - that's the legal requirement. Water in products is not just a formulators decision it is the finance department director's - it is the cheapest ingredient available and a safe filler - just like in your bacon. Where ever water is the first ingredient, you can be pretty sure that preservatives are not far behind and like not to be medical grade - way too expensive. They will be factory grade.

Please accept my apologies again.

free skin care · Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:35 am

pammy05 wrote:

I reacted to the "WTH" comment. For an informed panel, that wasn't the brightest of postings either.

As the author of the WTH comment, I stand by it, neither you nor your pal at P8N8 have explained what bio-energised means in real terms, nor have you posted the ingredients list for any of the products in this range. There have been no trials or research produced to support the claims of these products.

I have googled 'bio-energised' and all results bar one (which was to do with an artist connecting with his inner muse or something) were from P8N8 press releases.

Like I say, show the FULL ingredients or the research.

free skin care · Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:42 am

Just to throw soemthing else in..!!
The Pure Skin Formulations site also do an Oxygen Serum and in the blurb there they mention that their formula does not contain Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)as do all the other Oxygen products. Why? Here's what they say -
"Most other oxygen skin care products available today make use of Hydrogen Peroxide to oxygenate the skin. But without very specific & foreign enzymes being present on the skin, this creates an unstable, rogue oxygen molecule - a free radical. Our O2 Rescue Serum™ contains stabilized oxygen. It does not produce free radicals - it fights them!".
I'm sure Darren will be able to explain more but as a qualified hairdresser I can say that in my experience H2O2 is known for causing allergies and skin irritation - it is a great anti bacterial but it has some drawbacks.
I've tried O2 products in the past before I was aware of the H2O2 implications (and wasn't impressed anyhow. I tried a sample of the PSF skincare one and have to say its much nicer - have to take PSFs word for it that it is not producing any nasty free radicals though I guess as I'm not a scientist. (Though Darren is always happy to answer any questions about his products and lists the full ingredients which is reassuring.) Smile

ETA - For more info:http://www.psfskincare.com/oxygenserum.htm

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