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Crow's feet – when is it normal?
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:55 pm      Reply with quote
When is it normal to start seeing crow's feet in the corner of your eyes while smiling?
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Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:59 am      Reply with quote
I had some clients who were in their late 30's early 40's and you could see them. I'm 60 and I don't really have them. I had other issues, sagging to be addressed.

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:49 am      Reply with quote
I have had smile lines (that would only show when I'm smiling) for quite a while now (maybe 10 years), but the big difference that I'm starting to notice is that when I'm not smiling, the lines are becoming visible - my skin used to smooth right back out. I just turned 40 last week. My sister, who is 37 but has drier skin than mine, has the same type of lines as I do. They aren't what I would consider severe, or even a major concern yet, so I'm just hoping that a good skin care regimen can prevent them from getting much worse.

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Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:00 am      Reply with quote
I dont think there is any normal age as lifestyle and how you care for skin can make a big difference.
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Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:38 pm      Reply with quote
Agreed! the skin around your eyes are thinner and more delicate. Therefore it is essential to always keep the skin around the area well hydrated and protected from the sun as these are factors that will contribute to the crow's feet being more obvious at an early age. Using a good quality eye cream will help to smooth it out, but i think it is inevitable for them to form. It's all a matter of how one takes care of them!

Anyway, i think that some lines around your face adds to the character... afterall, one would not want to have a face that is totally expressionless!
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Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:03 pm      Reply with quote
From what I have both read and seen the fairer and dryer your skin the earlier you see lines in general. It's very important if that's your skin type to keep your skin hydrated (from inside and out) and moisturised. Also Sunscreen!

At 56 I can make lines when I smile but the snap back 99.999%. I don't sunbathe at all, but did in my youth and never burned just tanned extremely easily.

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Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:41 pm      Reply with quote
DarkMoon wrote:
From what I have both read and seen the fairer and dryer your skin the earlier you see lines in general. It's very important if that's your skin type to keep your skin hydrated (from inside and out) and moisturised. Also Sunscreen!


I've read similar things as well Dark Moon.

I think that the better you take care of your skin and avoid sun, the better your skin will be as you age. I also think that healthier bodies = healthier skin.

Stress also plays a huge part in the way my skin looks. If I'm really stressed out, I can easily look 10yrs older than I am. It seems to show in my eyes first; they get tired and drawn looking. During those times, it doesn't seem to matter what products I use on my skin - I still look like a strung out old lady.

Having said that, you can't ignore genetics ... There are some people who seem to look great no matter what they do, while others seem to do everything right and still have saggy or wrinkled skin.

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Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:47 pm      Reply with quote
I agree especially about genetics! I know a few women in their mid 70's that have barely a wrinkle.
Stress is horrible for us in every way health wise and it does show on our faces.

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:27 am      Reply with quote
Are avocado, castor and jojoba oil enough for daily moisturising?
I have heard that castor rather dries than moisturises.
I do have very pale and dry skin. It feels dry and tight and it looks dry and tight. Sometimes I have a snow-like layer on my skin or analogous patches.
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Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:33 am      Reply with quote
Vor wrote:
Are avocado, castor and jojoba oil enough for daily moisturising?
I have heard that castor rather dries than moisturises.


Hi Vor Smile

Keliu posted the following on another thread. It's best to apply oils on a damp face to seal moisture in!

Here's an interesting find:

Castor Oil is a type of vegetable oil that is manufactured from castor seeds. It is rich in fatty acids and is known to act as a humectant by drawing moisture to itself.
http://www.babyboomercaretaker.com/fashion/Erase-Wrinkles-With-Castor-Oil.html

I just Googled "does Castor Oil moisturise" and allot of info came up, so have a look.

I was also of the belief that oils moisturise by themselves but just lately I've been spritzing my face with Rose Water before and after applying an oil - a tip I learned from RileyGirl. But oils are always best applied to a damp skin.

BTW, I use Castor Oil as a cleanser along with Olive Oil and it DOES sting my eyes. Have not had that trouble with Rosehip Oil.

I would give the Castor Oil a try though - it's one of those old fashioned things that has allot of followers.

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:36 am      Reply with quote
But dermatologists say that tap water dries the skin so it's best to rinse it off right away.
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Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:40 am      Reply with quote
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But dermatologists say that tap water dries the skin so it's best to rinse it off right away.


If you can get distilled water you can make your own hydrosol or use it straight, also you can buy one. When you seal the water in with oils it can't evaporate which is what causes the drying. Smile

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:25 pm      Reply with quote
when you smile if you are over 40 you will have them.If you dont, you are in flattering light or you do botox.Botox can wipe them out temporarily.If you are over 40 and think you dont have them , smile wide in the mirror you will have them. Demi's crows on the side are softened by botox but you notice she has deep wrinkles under her eyes, those are harder to control with botox.
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Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:28 pm      Reply with quote
lucyluc wrote:
when you smile if you are over 40 you will have them.If you dont, you are in flattering light or you do botox.Botox can wipe them out temporarily.If you are over 40 and think you dont have them , smile wide in the mirror you will have them. Demi's crows on the side are softened by botox but you notice she has deep wrinkles under her eyes, those are harder to control with botox.



Well at 56 with clear bright bathroom lights and Florida's sunshine, plus a 10X mirror I can see very well and I don't have these lines! I have never had any inject-ables, fillers or plastic surgery and know other woman over 40 that don't either. I don't believe you can generalize about this at all. Smile

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:59 pm      Reply with quote
you would be the first then that i have seen.
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Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:36 pm      Reply with quote
Vor wrote:
When is it normal to start seeing crow's feet in the corner of your eyes while smiling?


My son's girlfriend is 19; she has lines around her eyes when she laughs or genuinely smiles. I guess you could call them crow's feet. But they totally disappear when she is not making those facial expressions. I don't think there is a "normal age" but rather it varies greatly from one individual to another. I also agree with LucyLuc ... we all get them eventually.

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:39 pm      Reply with quote
Yes and in my original post I said I have them (slight) when smiling however they disappear when I am not.

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:53 pm      Reply with quote
To be honest, I still prefer the look of a few character lines to the plastic look that some celebrities have adopted. Some of them don't look like they have skin - just puffed up plastic that is expressionless.

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Time2Bme wrote:
To be honest, I still prefer the look of a few character lines to the plastic look that some celebrities have adopted. Some of them don't look like they have skin - just puffed up plastic that is expressionless.


LOL Yep except for my puffy above lids! I am jealous you got yours done! Smile Or should I say droopy?

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:58 pm      Reply with quote
I have them at 47 even when I am not smiling. My son, 20, has them when he smiles. I haven't seen anyone in my "real" life that doesn't have "crows feet" when they smile. I think genetics is the biggest player in when people get wrinkles, followed by sun and lifestyle choices.

I agree, Time2Bme, I would prefer the wrinkles to the plastic look some celebrities have. However, most celebrities have wrinkles that are just covered up with make-up and tricks.
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Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:05 pm      Reply with quote
Have you Jane Fonda lately? She had plastic surgery; she looks beautiful. You can tell she has had it, but she still looks like she has expressions. She is such a gorgeous lady to begin with - and her figure - OMG ... over 70 and looks amazing.

I've seen other younger actresses and I find their lack of expression distracting. It is bizarre looking.

ITA about makeup tricks ... and I also think that lighting is really important. I remember seeing someone interviewed that said if you want to really look great - make sure you're lighting is good and a fan is blowing on you !!

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Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:22 pm      Reply with quote
in person a lot of celebrities are not that beautiful, there is no airbrush available when you see them in person. Jane Fonda may have had plastic surgery but she has a LOT of wrinkles.Her skin looks very old in person. I think that asians and blacks tend to look the youngest....if they stay out of the sun.
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Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:27 pm      Reply with quote
Gena Davis is very beautiful in person...and very sweet too. She is in her 50's I think but has beautiful flawless skin in person,very pale ivory ....she stays out of the sun thats the secret.
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Most of the stars have had some form of plastic surgery.Noticeable plastic surgery is just bad plastic surgery.Good plastic surgery you would never notice it looks so natural,it just makes the person look very refreshed and younger but not "done".
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:53 pm      Reply with quote
The answer is when you don't have botox. It means you need to go back for more. Cool
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