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Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:10 am      Reply with quote
I just tried estriol cream last night on my face before going to bed. I realize this usage might be considered controversial to some, but I wanted to try it.

One night only and my skin hasn't felt this soft and smooth in a long, long time, LOL.

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:48 pm      Reply with quote
Whats the big deal? I use estriol cream with my retin a every day on the advice of my skin doctor. I love it It keeps my skin nice and thick and plump. Is it supposed to be bad?

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:59 pm      Reply with quote
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Whats the big deal? I use estriol cream with my retin a every day on the advice of my skin doctor. I love it It keeps my skin nice and thick and plump. Is it supposed to be bad?

I would be interested in knowing more how much of the cream you use and where you get it. Are you on bioidentical hormone replacement as well?

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I'm 60. I get my face cream at The SkinCenter Medical Spa in Pittsburgh. No I don't take any hormones bio or other. But i'll tell you that cream is amazing. I really love what it has done for my skin. My friends who use it are equally impressed. He (Dr.Brandy)) always recommends it to be used with Retin A. Gives you that glow of youth. Between that and the CP's I seldom wear foundation or blush anymore.So I think that nice clear plump skin, white teeth and eyes, and smooth plump (not inflated) lips are a good sign of youth.

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:05 am      Reply with quote
What about this:

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01000/New-Face-Solution.html

It's only 1% though - isn't it best at 3%?

But if you are already taking HRT or bioidentical hormones, don't your hormone levels get messed up if you include a hormone cream?

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:28 am      Reply with quote
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I just tried estriol cream last night on my face before going to bed. I realize this usage might be considered controversial to some, but I wanted to try it.

One night only and my skin hasn't felt this soft and smooth in a long, long time, LOL.


BF - where did you get your estriol cream from?

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:23 am      Reply with quote
I have read about women using this before....I am sure it would probably alter your estrogen level. Just saw this and it is cheaper on Amazon...other places 60-70 dollars.
http://www.amazon.com/BioGenesis-Nutraceuticals-Rejuvenate-Aging-Cream/dp/B000MD53NE

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:37 am      Reply with quote
Toby wrote:
I have read about women using this before....I am sure it would probably alter your estrogen level. Just saw this and it is cheaper on Amazon...other places 60-70 dollars.
http://www.amazon.com/BioGenesis-Nutraceuticals-Rejuvenate-Aging-Cream/dp/B000MD53NE



What is the difference to this one? It's also on Amazon I can't link from my phone it puts mobile in the URL. I noticed a 5 out of 5 star rating that's why I am asking.


Libido Edge Natural Estriol Cream 2 oz
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$28.95 $24.99
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Ships from and sold by Tao Of Herbs

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:52 am      Reply with quote
Here is the link...last week I saw one one line that had a pump dispenser.
http://www.taoofherbs.com/products/159/FountainofYouth/DoctorsEstriolCream.htm?source=google&keyword=estroil
Everyone needs to keep in mind that if you are estrogen dominant this will be absorbed.

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:58 am      Reply with quote
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Here is the link...last week I saw one one line that had a pump dispenser.
http://www.taoofherbs.com/products/159/FountainofYouth/DoctorsEstriolCream.htm?source=google&keyword=estroil
Everyone needs to keep in mind that if you are estrogen dominant this will be absorbed.


Do you know for a fact that it is absorbed when used on the face as opposed to vaginally as it is originally intended? Just wondering really? Smile

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:01 am      Reply with quote
My guess is yes but I will ask at the compound pharmacy.

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My guess is yes but I will ask at the compound pharmacy.


Thanks Toby! Smile

I know I am paranoid about too much estrogen and estrogen type ingredients in my bloodstream!

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:28 am      Reply with quote
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I would be interested in knowing more how much of the cream you use and where you get it. Are you on bioidentical hormone replacement as well?


I've always been interested in the bioidenticals as well. I am not in menopause yet, but I suspect I am peri-menopausal.

I feel like I've experienced first hand that karma is a *itch !! When I was a young girl, I used to look at my Mom getting hot and red and think to myself ... Oh gross, she looks like a tomato. Well ... guess who's got the tomato face now !! Sad It doesn't happen that often, but it does happen and it is happening more often. I have to look into hormone friendly supplements and am going to incorporate the coffee berry into my skin routines and hope they help, but I suspect it won't be something I will be able eto stop competely.

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The answer is yes without question....this is from the pharmacist. It would be absorbed on the thin skin of the face, very rapidly. Estroil is used vaginally as well as on other areas of the body for hormone replacement....but never on the breast.

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Toby wrote:
The answer is yes without question....this is from the pharmacist. It would be absorbed on the thin skin of the face, very rapidly. Estroil is used vaginally as well as on other areas of the body for hormone replacement....but never on the breast.


That was quick, Wow I just can't win on the hormones! Well at least I have never had any issues with Anemia! Smile

Thanks again Toby, I appreciate you taking the time to get an answer from your compounding pharmacist. Very Happy

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:22 am      Reply with quote
yes, my understanding is that it is absorbed, that's how it works Smile

Anyway, I have fewer concerns with estriol than I do with other types of estrogen - but I would rather not go the reasons here because it is a complex topic and as I said, controversial, but that said - I would encourage anyone who is interested in this to look at the studies, read the literature and decide for herself Smile

I get mine from the UK - inhouse pharmacy.

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yes, my understanding is that it is absorbed, that's how it works Smile

Anyway, I have fewer concerns with estriol than I do with other types of estrogen - but I would rather not go the reasons here because it is a complex topic and as I said, controversial, but that said - I would encourage anyone who is interested in this to look at the studies, read the literature and decide for herself Smile

I get mine from the UK - inhouse pharmacy.

BF


It's not so much that it's controversial in my mind as you said it's a personal decision. What concerns me having the iron levels I do and always have had is more a personal concern about risking blood clots.

Normal Ranges

Hemoglobin Male: 13 - 18 gm/dL
Female: 12 - 16 gm/dL

Hematocrit Male: 45 - 62%
Female: 37 - 48%

I test Hemogloban at 15+ always

I test Hematocrit at 36+ always

This is great when I need clotting as I stop bleeding very rapidly even with a bad cut, however I find it a worry for undesired clotting?

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:43 am      Reply with quote
Barefootgirl wrote:
yes, my understanding is that it is absorbed, that's how it works Smile

Anyway, I have fewer concerns with estriol than I do with other types of estrogen - but I would rather not go the reasons here because it is a complex topic and as I said, controversial, but that said - I would encourage anyone who is interested in this to look at the studies, read the literature and decide for herself Smile

I get mine from the UK - inhouse pharmacy.

BF

I agree for myself as well it is a good option.

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Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:20 pm      Reply with quote
Barefootgirl wrote:
yes, my understanding is that it is absorbed, that's how it works Smile

Anyway, I have fewer concerns with estriol than I do with other types of estrogen - but I would rather not go the reasons here because it is a complex topic and as I said, controversial, but that said - I would encourage anyone who is interested in this to look at the studies, read the literature and decide for herself Smile

I get mine from the UK - inhouse pharmacy.


But what is the situation if you're already taking hormone replacement? Can Estriol interfere with that? From what I understand, the OTC face creams seem to be about 1% - is this percentage low enough to not worry about that issue. But does the low percentage also mean that it won't make much impact on the skin either?

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Here's a thread from Smartskincare which discusses some of the pertinent issues:

http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=917

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Here's a thread from Smartskincare which discusses some of the pertinent issues:

http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=917


Thanks Keliu, I guess it's best to discuss it with your gynecologist! It's surprising all the possible side effects some expressed having.

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Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:58 am      Reply with quote
There is quite a bit of info (studies, research, info, etc.) available online if you want to research this.

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Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:34 am      Reply with quote
I jumped in and purchased the Life Extension product because the postage was free to Oz (you don't get that very often) so I got carried away.

Some info from EDS member Antonia on her blog "Middle Ageless" regarding Estriol face cream.

http://www.middle-ageless.com/2009/09/how-estriol-gets-rid-of-wrinkles.html

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Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:02 am      Reply with quote
Since I am on bioidentical hormones now and without doubt am benefiting from the estroil....why let my thighs get the little dab of cream....lets move it to the face, where it is needed! Laughing Thanks to Barefootgirl's trial I tried it. Results...after first night nothing...after second night....a little wow!!!I can tell you that is where some of my estroil cream is going in the future! I realize that these hormone creams are suppose to be put on the fatty parts of the body for slow release reasons but a little on the face surely won't hurt!

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Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:25 am      Reply with quote
This really has me totally confused now, note the part about no systemic absorption concerns? From Antonia's blog.

One reason that facial skin "shrivels" as we age is that our normal hormone production markedly declines. To make matters worse, blood microcirculation to our skin is reduced as we grow older, thereby depriving our skin of the small amount of natural hormones our body still makes.* A large number of published scientific studies reveal that estrogen exerts potent anti-aging effects on the skin*. The topical application of natural estrogen can provide dramatic improvements to the skin without systemic absorption concerns.

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