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Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:25 am  |
Is that post office box about to get another visitor?  |
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:41 am |
I wonder how it works with using the light and the microcurrent at the same time....the microcurrent needs gel and wouldn't that be a problem for the light penetration?....but as I am thinking the tua viso doesn't need gel so maybe it is like that.  |
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:53 am |
| Toby wrote: |
| I wonder how it works with using the light and the microcurrent at the same time....the microcurrent needs gel and wouldn't that be a problem for the light penetration?....but as I am thinking the tua viso doesn't need gel so maybe it is like that. |
Does it state that you use all the options at once, or are you getting a machine that's capable of multiple functions not necessarily used in conjunction at the same time? If it's the later I see a huge savings over multiple gadgets? Plus a big advantage in storage of all the various gadgets!
Also a clear gel shouldn't pose an issue with light penetration, how would that be occlusive? |
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:58 pm |
If you watch the demonstration video on this page you will see that he's using the light without a gel and the microcurrent is used at the same time:
http://knutekpro.com/Microcurrent_LED.html
The lights are also used in a massaging motion, not kept in one spot like a traditional LED. The device is made in China. |
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Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:20 am |
Hi, I purchased one as well, also a Slendertone for face!  (thanks for the req for ebay). |
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Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:18 pm |
| This is insane. Is there some way to lock ones self out of a thread? |
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Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:21 pm |
| Wow, $258 that's cool. Wish I had seen that one. Great find!!!! |
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Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:32 pm |
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| This is insane. Is there some way to lock ones self out of a thread? |
Don't want anyone to hear, did you cave on this new toy? Or are the lemmings screaming in your head?  |
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:35 am |
| Frodo wrote: |
| This is insane. Is there some way to lock ones self out of a thread? |
You can always press "Stop watching this topic" - but that would require a certain amount of self control - something that someone who believes that "a balanced diet is chocolate in both hands" clearly doesn't have!!
Still, there's that other saying, "a balanced LED treatment is a device in both hands"!!  |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:56 pm |
WhooHoo! I am so all over this machine. I have been looking at it for over a year now. It has been on ebay on multiple sites at different prices. I have watched a site that is selling it for $209.US located in China. And another located here in the US for $289.99. Depending on how much of a hurry you are in, the one in the US can be delivered within a week. Both of these are ebay sellers (sorry I do not know how to attach the links) simon_elf and e-volution21
I guess my only concern on some of these are the crazy restocking fees if you send them back as was mentioned earlier. I'm getting one, just have to decide from which vendor. |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:40 pm |
| I purchased mine for approx. $200.00 on Ebay, (love Ebay, lol!!) |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:28 pm |
| What about the cost of shipping from them, is there a big difference on that? |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:31 pm |
It seemed quite strange to use Microcurrent without a conductive gel; so I searched their website and the instructions are
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| # Microcurrent/LED – Apply “Oxygen Machine Nano Gel” on the entire face, throat and decolette’. Then use the machine for a total of 15 minutes for weekly facials (20 minutes for monthly). |
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That brings are back to the original question by Toby - would that gel interfere with the workings of the Led lights and what are the ingredients in it? I could not find any info regarding the gel on their site.
Also, if my understanding is correct, you actually get 2 Lights and choose which color they should produce. |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:37 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
It seemed quite strange to use Microcurrent without a conductive gel; so I searched their website and the instructions are
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| # Microcurrent/LED – Apply “Oxygen Machine Nano Gel” on the entire face, throat and decolette’. Then use the machine for a total of 15 minutes for weekly facials (20 minutes for monthly). |
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That brings are back to the original question by Toby - would that gel interfere with the workings of the Led lights and what are the ingredients in it? I could not find any info regarding the gel on their site.
Also, if my understanding is correct, you actually get 2 Lights and choose which color they should produce. |
I can't find the "Oxygen Machine Nano Gel" listed for sale on their site.
I can't see how a gel would have any light blocking properties, so I'm sure it would be fine to use with LED. I'm presuming the LEDs must have some sort of plastic cover on them, otherwise they'd get gummed up with gel.
Did you all notice that they only recommend a weekly treatment of 15 minutes? |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:48 pm |
Here is a link to the operating manual page 12 says on auto all 7 colors will cycle.
http://knutekpro.com/files/39391528.pdf |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:27 pm |
Keliu,
I have not seen the gel among their product offering either. Whether it is OK or not to use with light really depends on the ingredients, and that is hard to figure out without knowing the list. I would agree that it would seem reasonable that people selling the machine would pay attention to it.
Also, what the people who bought it on ebay are planning to use it with?
It is quite tempting (esp. for the ebay price).
Just some thoughts. |
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Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:40 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
Keliu,
I have not seen the gel among their product offering either. Whether it is OK or not to use with light really depends on the ingredients, and that is hard to figure out without knowing the list. I would agree that it would seem reasonable that people selling the machine would pay attention to it.
Also, what the people who bought it on ebay are planning to use it with?
It is quite tempting (esp. for the ebay price).
Just some thoughts. |
When I wrote to Steve at Lightstim asking him which topicals to avoid using with the device he replied that everything was fine - just don't use Retin-A. Of course, I didn't ask about conductive gels though.
I have a small hand-held microcurrent device that I use with ionized gels - I think they would be fine. |
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:59 pm |
Hi Ladies,
I spoke with Jennifer I was going to ask for a discount because of how cheap it was on E-bay but then she explained to me that when you purchase from her it comes with the following:
-1 year warranty they will fix or replace at no cost
-DVD training to show you exactly how to use the machine and all it's features
-DVD training is available on line but the on line version is only clips of the more detailed DVD training you get with the machine
-It also comes with a DVD that trains you how to use their skin line made for the machine called Lunch time face lift
-The machine also comes with a lunch time face lift kit (skin care line)
-1 jar of the gel to be used with the microcurrent
I asked if we could get a discount for the machine if we purchased from her and she said she could:
-take off $25 but then you would not receive a lunch time face lift kit with it.
After I learned all this, specifically the warranty and the DVD to train me how to properly use the machine I felt better about not getting it from ebay.
You can call Jennifer at 888 411 4242 and tell her Betsy posted this info so she will know why you are asking for $25 off.
Ingredients in the gel are: Oxygen plasma, glycerol, aloe vera and MSM
I have been so busy and really enjoying all the posts. I still haven't received my machine yet they said it should be a couple more weeks.
Has anyone else received their machine? I can't wait to start using it. |
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:58 pm |
i wonder if she would be willing to sell the training dvd without purchasing the device...the device costs $!88 w/free shipping on ebay (USA)...that's about $450 difference (if you include the shipping cost from jennifer)...
also just want to say that the gel ingredients include the 'oxygen plasma'..the 'oxygen plasma' itself is made up of ingredients which really don't appeal to me personally...and aren't listed in the ingredients posted. (jennifer emailed the total ingredient list to me..i deleted it because i am personally underwhelmed w/the lab creatednessof the products. |
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:03 pm |
i wonder if she would be willing to sell the training dvd without purchasing the device...the device costs $!88 w/free shipping on ebay (USA)...that's about $450 difference (if you include the shipping cost from jennifer)...
also just want to say that the gel ingredients include the 'oxygen plasma'..the 'oxygen plasma' itself is made up of ingredients which really don't appeal to me personally...and aren't listed in the ingredients posted. (jennifer emailed the total ingredient list to me..i deleted it because i am personally underwhelmed w/the lab creatednessof the products. |
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:05 pm |
That's good to know about the ingredients. I sure would like a complete list of the ingredients.
Would you reconsider and post the ingredients? I don't want to use bad products on my skin.. |
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:22 pm |
i also want to say that there is a 15% restocking fee for returning the item after a month to jennifer..whereas on ebay ..depending on who you purchase from..there is either a 7-14 day money back guarantee policy.
also, i really don't like to denigrate some one's business...without really knowing the person involved intimately.. but when i spoke w/jennifer..before the info came out about ebay...and tried to find out how long the $599 price was good for ..i got dif answers from her..at first she said it would be a similar price after the holiday (i called right before thanksgiving)..but wouldn't be offered w/the complimentary skincare for the same price...(but apparently it still is)..and then when i called back later to say i couldn't purchase it at this time...she indicated to me that the normal price was $899..or something like that..and be so after the holiday.. i would have to speak w/her to 'see'if i could get a better price....it felt like she was making up her policy as she went along..to get her sale..and it felt uncomfortable to me..she may just have been having a 'bad' or 'desperate' day..and might be a totally incredible person...but i didn't care for her approach and it made me cast doubts on the product as a whole......
and it was unsettling to me as well that the ingredients aren't listed ..in full..on her site..yet she spoke of them as being 'natural'.. trying to assure me that i didn't need to see the ingredients to have confidence in the products...which i'm not sure..after seeing the ingredients when she emailed them to me... how she could call them that..but perhaps it's just a vast dif in perception of what 'natural' means.
i want to add again that she might have just been having an 'off' day..i know i have them...and it would be horrid if someone posted on a thread like this their experience of me on an 'off' day..but non-the -less..it did effect me. |
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Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:30 pm |
oops..we cross posted...i did already delete the ingredients email..but she will send them to you, i'm sure..just be firm about it..perhaps you might feel dif about them than i do..i have quite high standards for 'natural' and am always dismayed when lab created ingredients are referred to as 'natural'.
anyway i am still interested in this procedure..because of reasons i posted about at the beginning of this thread..but now will def wait to see others results before i will purchase (even from ebay)..but if others are having great results..which i hope happens..i will be the first to purchase! |
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