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Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:22 am  |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:42 am |
| I would say because the stuff is actually not expensive to make so our drug companies and pharmacies jack up the prices like mad. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:39 am |
| That's my guess too, because my tretinoin cream is less than 3 euros per tube in France. I think in addition that the French government might hold the prices down for the brands geared towards acne. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:40 am |
USA=ABSURD MARKUP ON MEDS!
The Government allows the drug companies to get away with murder. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:23 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
USA=ABSURD MARKUP ON MEDS!
The Government allows the drug companies to get away with murder. |
Yep that is why this country needs health care reform. We cannot afford to spend so much on healthcare. Greg |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:43 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
USA=ABSURD MARKUP ON MEDS!
The Government allows the drug companies to get away with murder. |
I would have to agree DarkMoon because here in Australia the Pharmacy prices are quite ridiculous!! For us to have private health care is astronomical and absurd, however if I was unemployed I would get everything for free. So unfair. If I buy Retinol from my Chemist here we need a script, I have to pay $65 to see a doctor to get a scrip then pay close to $45 for the actual scrip. No wonder so many people shop online as it's so much cheaper.
At the moment our Government is getting badged by companies to bring in a tax where we would get stung if we purchased online, however if these companies had fairer prices we wouldn't need too.  |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:52 pm |
| Divine Diva wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
USA=ABSURD MARKUP ON MEDS!
The Government allows the drug companies to get away with murder. |
I would have to agree DarkMoon because here in Australia the Pharmacy prices are quite ridiculous!! For us to have private health care is astronomical and absurd, however if I was unemployed I would get everything for free. So unfair. If I buy Retinol from my Chemist here we need a script, I have to pay $65 to see a doctor to get a scrip then pay close to $45 for the actual scrip. No wonder so many people shop online as it's so much cheaper.
At the moment our Government is getting badged by companies to bring in a tax where we would get stung if we purchased online, however if these companies had fairer prices we wouldn't need too. |
I know I stand at my pharmacy and see people who work and have insurance but are barely scraping by and hear meds not covered by insurance and people having to pay hundreds of dollars for one rx. Our system is insane, I spoke to a woman at a doctors office and uninsured $450 for an office visit, and that includes no tests or lab work! |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:52 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Divine Diva wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
USA=ABSURD MARKUP ON MEDS!
The Government allows the drug companies to get away with murder. |
I would have to agree DarkMoon because here in Australia the Pharmacy prices are quite ridiculous!! For us to have private health care is astronomical and absurd, however if I was unemployed I would get everything for free. So unfair. If I buy Retinol from my Chemist here we need a script, I have to pay $65 to see a doctor to get a scrip then pay close to $45 for the actual scrip. No wonder so many people shop online as it's so much cheaper.
At the moment our Government is getting badged by companies to bring in a tax where we would get stung if we purchased online, however if these companies had fairer prices we wouldn't need too. |
I know I stand at my pharmacy and see people who work and have insurance but are barely scraping by and hear meds not covered by insurance and people having to pay hundreds of dollars for one rx. Our system is insane, I spoke to a woman at a doctors office and uninsured $450 for an office visit, and that includes no tests or lab work! |
When I was buying my Retinol through the Pharmacy and was paying almost $45 for it and getting about 10g in a tube!!! When I can buy it OS for roughly $6 and get a 30g tube.
That is ludicrous for a doctors visit!!! It's ridiculous that we all try and work to save and to splurge a little on ourselves at times, however at the end of each tax year us tax payers here in Australia then have to pay an extra Medicare Levy to cover the unemployed who use this service more than me and numerous others, even though I pay private health insurance!!! And if I do use my insurance if I go into Hospital we still have to pay another levy??? Why bother having it if we still have to pay!!! It just makes me angry that governments and Pharmaceutical Companies have all these levies and jack up the prices and expect the consumer to swallow it. No wonder we all shop online to try and get bargains and save money. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:01 pm |
| My youngest daughter 4 years ago, dear ex dropped her off his insurance (don't let me go there!) anyway she had her orbital bone fractured, a CT and an ice pack......cost 6000$ I had to take her to an opthamologist the next day to see what type of Orbital fracture anyway as there are 3-4 types and all but one require plastic surgery! Luckily she had the right type! Still basically an X-Ray and an ice pack cost 6 grand? |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:10 pm |
Divine Diva - I'm in Oz too, and the most I've ever paid for RA is around $30.00 - so you're being ripped off. But I actually buy ALL of my meds on line now, it's so much cheaper.
I also have private health insurance - but sometimes I think it's a waste of money. If you're seriously ill, you usually end up in a public hospital anyway because that's where the best expertise is. I hate the way the government has eroded the original Medicare system which the Labour Government introduced.
However, my parents (who both passed away last year) had no medical insurance and they were looked after like a king and queen. Our Australian system does have allot of problems - but at least we're better off than those in the US.
ETA: This week I had to have a CT scan of my jaw - it was bulk billed and cost me nothing. So thank heavens for our system! |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:16 pm |
They are not shipping to Canada.
Anyone know of any online pharmacy that sells RA as cheap shipping to Canada? |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:18 pm |
Keliu,
You know I went through that with my father just before you and without supplemental insurance, 2 actually one for medical care and one for prescriptions it would have been pay it out of pocket! The US system is a mess especially for those with just Medicare or younger people with no insurance. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:27 pm |
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Keliu,
You know I went through that with my father just before you and without supplemental insurance, 2 actually one for medical care and one for prescriptions it would have been pay it out of pocket! The US system is a mess especially for those with just Medicare or younger people with no insurance. |
In the last few weeks of my Father's life he had to go into palliative care in a specialised hospital. It did not cost me (or Dad) one red cent. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:47 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
Divine Diva - I'm in Oz too, and the most I've ever paid for RA is around $30.00 - so you're being ripped off. But I actually buy ALL of my meds on line now, it's so much cheaper.
I also have private health insurance - but sometimes I think it's a waste of money. If you're seriously ill, you usually end up in a public hospital anyway because that's where the best expertise is. I hate the way the government has eroded the original Medicare system which the Labour Government introduced.
However, my parents (who both passed away last year) had no medical insurance and they were looked after like a king and queen. Our Australian system does have allot of problems - but at least we're better off than those in the US.
ETA: This week I had to have a CT scan of my jaw - it was bulk billed and cost me nothing. So thank heavens for our system! |
I agree Keliu the US have it a lot worse than we do. I, like you now buy all my Meds online, as it is a lot cheaper. With the Retinol I do think the chemist I was going to was upping there prices to suit themselves, however I get it online now and save soooooooo much money.
As for Private Health Care I also think it is a rip off because I had my wisdom teeth out and still had to pay $3,500!!! What's the point really.
I'm glad your Mum and Dad got looked after, as sometimes that isn't always the case and our Hospital here where I live in Australia is the pits!!! Bad Doctors and Nurses who leave patients in the hall way etc for hours before even doing anything. I think it does depend on where you live and what your hospital is like in regards to the type of care you receive unfortunately.  |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:58 pm |
| I had to take my son to my local hospital 11 hours miserable and waiting on a "cot" until he got a room! Lousy care and he has private insurance. They messed up and never gave him one of the crucial IV meds his doctor ordered which resulted in a 10 day hospital stay! You don't want to know that bill was almost 50 thousand and with insurance we get hit with deductible, 20% co-pay ect. ect. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:09 pm |
| Divine Diva wrote: |
| As for Private Health Care I also think it is a rip off because I had my wisdom teeth out and still had to pay $3,500!!! What's the point really. |
Don't get me started on dental care - why it's not included in general health care is completely beyond me. I'm up for over $2,300 on Thursday for a root canal filling.
Also, there can be a huge difference in what chemists charge for meds. When I was up north, the chemist wanted $50.00 for RA. I refused to pay it and told him I normally pay $30.00. I made him look up on the internet how much Chemist Warehouse was charging - so he then begrudgingly charged me the $30.00. You've got to speak up! |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:11 pm |
| Divine Diva wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
Divine Diva - I'm in Oz too, and the most I've ever paid for RA is around $30.00 - so you're being ripped off. But I actually buy ALL of my meds on line now, it's so much cheaper.
I also have private health insurance - but sometimes I think it's a waste of money. If you're seriously ill, you usually end up in a public hospital anyway because that's where the best expertise is. I hate the way the government has eroded the original Medicare system which the Labour Government introduced.
However, my parents (who both passed away last year) had no medical insurance and they were looked after like a king and queen. Our Australian system does have allot of problems - but at least we're better off than those in the US.
ETA: This week I had to have a CT scan of my jaw - it was bulk billed and cost me nothing. So thank heavens for our system! |
I agree Keliu the US have it a lot worse than we do. I, like you now buy all my Meds online, as it is a lot cheaper. With the Retinol I do think the chemist I was going to was upping there prices to suit themselves, however I get it online now and save soooooooo much money.
As for Private Health Care I also think it is a rip off because I had my wisdom teeth out and still had to pay $3,500!!! What's the point really.
I'm glad your Mum and Dad got looked after, as sometimes that isn't always the case and our Hospital here where I live in Australia is the pits!!! Bad Doctors and Nurses who leave patients in the hall way etc for hours before even doing anything. I think it does depend on where you live and what your hospital is like in regards to the type of care you receive unfortunately. |
Canada is good and really bad.
Go to the hospital for emergency and you wait 12-20 hours to see a doctor in the waiting room.
Then see a doctor for maybe 5 minutes.
If you have a drug plan it is usually good, but the people who do not they can apply to a special phogram from the province for people who make up to 100,00+
most people do not know about this,so they never apply.
I don't think some of the hospitals in Canada are that great- I had to see an orthopedic doctor a few years ago and the clinic in the hopsital was giving out expired medications.
-really I'm not making this up!
If you need to see a Dermatologist in my city you will wait at least 1 year for something important.
I was bitten by a spider on my leg or some other bug outside and had a very bad bite.
My leg was really red and became infected and I had cellulitis.
I went to the hospital and was refered to a derm and the wait time was 1 year +
I ended up going to a walk in medical clinic as the hospital was really useless.
My leg had actually become infected quite badly and I needed antibiotics, and this was after waiting 2 days to see if I would improve.
If I had waited 1 year that would have been really bad and I could have had much worse damage.
I still have a very bad scar on my leg from a few years ago. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:33 pm |
The prices of Retin A and any prescription drug overseas is cheaper because the research and development costs are paid for by the U.S. insurance companies and us. Other companies don't pay those fees. I've bought retin A in Greece for $2.00 US.
We are the developers and we have big overhead. Our CEO's of big Pharma get paid big bucks by the US. Why do you think our healthcare dollars are out of sight? |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:37 pm |
Most all US insurance charges extra for dental coverage and glasses!
My son waited 11 hours after our wait in the waiting room for hours! They take you back if you are emergent and a nurse sees you, no IV, no meds just a cot and a hospital gown. He was vomiting constantly had severe diarrhea, was totally dehydrated and in severe pain. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:56 pm |
Not the same animal, most countries do NOT have the dental care we have. Americans have great teeth compared to the rest of the world. All Health care in this country is out of site. I've taught University Healthcare and we Americans do not know the luxury we've had in past decades with regards to Health care.
Actually what you write about DM is the norm in most countries and "luxury" for many or most. Unfortunately this is where we are heading and it will get worse.
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Most all US insurance charges extra for dental coverage and glasses!
My son waited 11 hours after our wait in the waiting room for hours! They take you back if you are emergent and a nurse sees you, no IV, no meds just a cot and a hospital gown. He was vomiting constantly had severe diarrhea, was totally dehydrated and in severe pain. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:23 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
The prices of Retin A and any prescription drug overseas is cheaper because the research and development costs are paid for by the U.S. insurance companies and us. Other companies don't pay those fees. I've bought retin A in Greece for $2.00 US.
We are the developers and we have big overhead. Our CEO's of big Pharma get paid big bucks by the US. Why do you think our healthcare dollars are out of sight? |
This isn't true. A generic does not have any R&D included. Also drug companies are international. Johnson and Johnson is an international company. It doesn't matter whether they are made in india or the USA. The difference is just availabilty under the law of the country. Greg
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:29 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Not the same animal, most countries do NOT have the dental care we have. Americans have great teeth compared to the rest of the world. All Health care in this country is out of site. I've taught University Healthcare and we Americans do not know the luxury we've had in past decades with regards to Health care.
Actually what you write about DM is the norm in most countries and "luxury" for many or most. Unfortunately this is where we are heading and it will get worse. |
I once watched the most upsetting TV programme about American health care. It showed thousands of people queuing up to receive free medical and dental care from volunteer dentists and doctors at a sports stadium. Apparently the volunteers go all over the country to administer to people who can't afford insurance. Some of the people had no teeth and hadn't been to a dentist for years and years. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:35 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Most all US insurance charges extra for dental coverage and glasses!
My son waited 11 hours after our wait in the waiting room for hours! They take you back if you are emergent and a nurse sees you, no IV, no meds just a cot and a hospital gown. He was vomiting constantly had severe diarrhea, was totally dehydrated and in severe pain. |
I do hope he was OK in the end DarkMoon. It just goes to show that some hospitals just plain suck and only worry about money, insurance etc... For what we all pay I think we should get something a bit better than waiting for hours when your well and truly sick which you think they could see!!!
I have seen on the news and also read horrifying stories of women having miscarriages in the bathroom at the hospital because they have been made to wait. Very poor service, and while not all hospitals are the same some are very disgusting in the way they treat the sick. |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:35 pm |
| grhawk wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
The prices of Retin A and any prescription drug overseas is cheaper because the research and development costs are paid for by the U.S. insurance companies and us. Other companies don't pay those fees. I've bought retin A in Greece for $2.00 US.
We are the developers and we have big overhead. Our CEO's of big Pharma get paid big bucks by the US. Why do you think our healthcare dollars are out of sight? |
This isn't true. A generic does not have any R&D included. Also drug companies are international. Johnson and Johnson is an international company. It doesn't matter whether they are made in india
or the USA. The difference is just availabilty under the law of the country. Greg
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I agree Greg you are right, and the US based companies outsource work for cheap labor, and also if they do R&D here (on non-generics) they get absurd tax breaks here in the US! |
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:42 pm |
| Ottawa Shopper wrote: |
Canada is good and really bad.
Go to the hospital for emergency and you wait 12-20 hours to see a doctor in the waiting room.
Then see a doctor for maybe 5 minutes.
If you have a drug plan it is usually good, but the people who do not they can apply to a special phogram from the province for people who make up to 100,00+
most people do not know about this,so they never apply.
I don't think some of the hospitals in Canada are that great- I had to see an orthopedic doctor a few years ago and the clinic in the hopsital was giving out expired medications.
-really I'm not making this up!
If you need to see a Dermatologist in my city you will wait at least 1 year for something important.
I was bitten by a spider on my leg or some other bug outside and had a very bad bite.
My leg was really red and became infected and I had cellulitis.
I went to the hospital and was refered to a derm and the wait time was 1 year +
I ended up going to a walk in medical clinic as the hospital was really useless.
My leg had actually become infected quite badly and I needed antibiotics, and this was after waiting 2 days to see if I would improve.
If I had waited 1 year that would have been really bad and I could have had much worse damage.
I still have a very bad scar on my leg from a few years ago. |
That is also quite horrific and I do hope it eventually healed to some sort of norm. Very bad service when they send people home when they obviously need attention!!! It could have been far worse if you had of had to have your leg amputated, I'm glad you didn't however if you did wait it could have been quite nasty. |
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