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Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:27 am  |
I looked on Beautypedia today and checked my sunscreen (LRP Fluid Extreme 50+). Here is what she had to say about it:
"At one point, the Anthelios sunscreens from La Roche-Posay were all about the UVA sunscreen ecamsule, better known as Mexoryl SX. This sunscreen skips the ecamsule and provides UVA protection with avobenzone. That’s fine, but what’s interesting is that not too long ago, L’Oreal, the company that owns La Roche-Posay, was denigrating avobenzone in favor of Mexoryl SX! Why they’re now using avobenzone is a mystery, but as far as this sunscreen product is concerned, it’s an overall dud. The base formula contains too much alcohol (alcohol causes free-radical damage, dryness, and irritation) and far too little of the beneficial extras (like antioxidants) you should be looking for in sunscreens. You’ll get broad-spectrum sun protection, but that’s about it. There are far too many sunscreens available that do not contain alcohol and that do contain antioxidants for you to waste your money on this poorly formulated product."
What do you guys think? I am very conflicted because I thought LRP sunscreen was supposed to be some of the best you could get in America. Thanks! |
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Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:33 am |
I wish she would define what we are to understand under "too much alcohol". Even organic skin care formulators agree that 20% ethanol and lower is an insignificant irritant, even less irritating than benzoic acid or Optiphen (phenoxhyethanol). Also there are other ingredients, emollients and humectants in formulas that offset negative effects ethanol might have on skin. Personally I never found sunscreens with 'alcohol denat.' drying or irritating. On the other hand, toners that have much higher ethanol concentration are drying for me.
As far as La Roche Posay Anthelios goes, it's a very good and stable sunscreen, provided it's the formula for non-US market. Most recent non-US version includes Mexoryls SX, XL, Tinosorb S (which is superior to Mexoryls, due to higher stabilty and larger particle size) and titanium dioxide and minimal amounts of unstable avobenzone and radical generating octocrylene. Vitamin E and a plant extract as antioxidants. Avobenzone and octocrylene are part of Paula's own sunscreen filters, along with others I personally find undesirable, oxybenzone, homosalate, octisalate, all in high concentrations. I honestly doubt her sunscreens would hold up 120 min in sun. Anthelios lasts 240 minutes and looses less than 5% of the filter efficiently in UVA range, which brings Anthelios on same stability level as zinc oxide and titanium dioxide.
US versions of Anthelios - I can't even talk about those. Just as dreadful as Paula's sunscreens, but without all the redundant ingredients she considers to be useful for skin. |
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Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:42 am |
I agree with he part that you highlighted about alcohol. If you have resistant skin it probably won't be an issue though.
It has always disappointed me that LRP does have a high alcohol content (in the top 5) in their fluid and milk varieties of SS's.
LRP does provide proper sun protection. I don't think you need to worry about that part. |
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Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:40 pm |
| You should look into her ingredient review page about alcohol. She references the sources she uses so you can always go to a library to check them out. The sources are usually more detailed about how much % was used in order to see an irritation |
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Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:05 am |
I have looked at her glossary and perhaps I missed something, but it was incredibly disappointing information.
Top or end of ingredient list is at best a vague description of concentration. In some formulas 2nd ingredient would be as low as 5%, if that happens to be alcohol, then according to her logic that's a dangerous concentration?
Her references don't seem to be very informative, one is a new-age magazine, other refers to ingestion of alcohol, but topical application and two different things and same processes do not apply.
Searching Medscape for contact dermatitis and various alcohols I do not see the alarming data she suggests. Only that isopropanol is less irritating than sodium lauryl sulfate and various other tidbits.
I'd consider this a more believable source and it clearly contradicts Paula's claims: ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/18569160 |
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Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:16 am |
| If its working for your skin then I wouldn't worry about. I think her point is that for most people alcohol based products are irritating which causes damage. |
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Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:04 am |
If it works for you,continue using it. LRP sunscreens are some of the best chemical sunscreens on the market.
Paula's advice isn't always reliable! |
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Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:11 pm |
How can a chemical sunscreen be considered to be the best one in America? 
And it's true, Paula is not the only one who thinks that a good sunscreen should contain a lot of antioxidants.
I use her Cellular Defense Daily Moisturizer SPF 25 and very satisfied. The physical protection is good for at least a couple of hours (of course, I do not use it on a beach) and contains a lot of soothing ingredients. I actually apply it right after dermarolling and it does not sting at all.
| usa4040 wrote: |
| I am very conflicted because I thought LRP sunscreen was supposed to be some of the best you could get in America. Thanks! |
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Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:17 pm |
Paula's Cellular sunscreen has titanium dioxide as it's only filter unless it's typo. It doesn't provide anywhere near full long-UVA protection and the amounts of her almost random antioxidant choices will not compensate for that. Any of her chemical sunscreens with avobenzone would be an improvement over this. Unless Paula in her infinite wisdom has discovered how to coat titanium to outmatch protection provided by zinc oxide. In that case spectrometer print out and various publications would be appropriate.  |
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Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:34 am |
| The product does provide adequate sun protection for an SPF50 sunscreen. Paula is right about the lack of antioxidants though as they have not only been proven to help provide further sun protection but help fight against free radicals. The alcohol content does sound rather high but if your skin isnt particularly sensitive it should be able to handle it. I would however look in to a few other products on the market before purchasing. |
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:50 am |
I bought this product (the Antihelios) and it didn't suit my skin at all (fair and dry). It made me break out and I felt like I couldn't wash it off at night. I worry about chemical sunscreens, especially nano, but it's so difficult - I want to wear a screen and I don't want to be in hives or whitecast, and it often seems it's difficult to fill all those criteria. I thought this might be it after all the rave reviews but not for me, unfortunately  |
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:28 am |
| Josh wrote: |
If it works for you,continue using it. LRP sunscreens are some of the best chemical sunscreens on the market.
Paula's advice isn't always reliable! |
If you can find a sunscreen that works for you AND has good UVA protection; stick with it.
I do buy some products from Paula's Choice. Paula is just one opinion and I prefer the advice on here and makeupalley over Paula.
I have been using the Canadian LRP Hydraphrase UV 30 for years.
http://well.ca/products/la-roche-posay-hydraphase-uv_3865.html
(This is from another site. I thought EDS sold LRP.)
It is available at Canadian drug stores. Another sunscreen I recommend is L'oreal Ombrelle faces spf 45. This is in tube and less $$.
I do wear my antioxtinates (vitamin C) in a serum under my SS product.
I don't recall Paula giving any sunscreen product other than her own a high rating. As she has her own cosmetic company; she is not objective. She does not like Mexoryl sunscreen filters/products in general and keep in mind L'oreal has the patent. |
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Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:31 am |
| Emmajayne wrote: |
| I bought this product (the Antihelios) and it didn't suit my skin at all (fair and dry). It made me break out and I felt like I couldn't wash it off at night. I worry about chemical sunscreens, especially nano, but it's so difficult - I want to wear a screen and I don't want to be in hives or whitecast, and it often seems it's difficult to fill all those criteria. I thought this might be it after all the rave reviews but not for me, unfortunately |
It is very difficult to find a good sunscreen. Are you in the US or Canada?
What have you tried? |
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:05 pm |
| PB is just telling you the truth. Do you want to save money or spend unnecessarily? Anything she recommends with a checkmark is worth looking into at Beautypedia and Facebook. LOVE her sunscreens. They are a beauty treatment on their own with all those great antioxidants. |
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Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:57 pm |
| SusieQ wrote: |
| PB is just telling you the truth. Do you want to save money or spend unnecessarily? Anything she recommends with a checkmark is worth looking into at Beautypedia and Facebook. LOVE her sunscreens. They are a beauty treatment on their own with all those great antioxidants. |
I am glad you like Paula's sunscreens. I think there is better formulated sunscreens out there. The sunscreen I mentioned (Ombrelle for faces spf 45) is less $$ than PC and highly rated on makeupalley.
Paula is just one opinion. She also wants to promote her line. I like to read more than one opinion and from someone(s) that is objective. The ladies here (and MUA) actually try the product for themselves and also they have no motive to sell you their line.
Paula will often rate products on the ingredient list only.
Just my two cents... |
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