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Nanaki1125
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:07 pm |
I'm going to give myself a glycolic peel here soon. However I am not going to do it all the time, maybe once every couple of weeks. I am fair-skinned with yellow-undertones. My question is, what is the best moisturizer to use post-peel---one for directly after and one for maintenance? I have very oily skin, but a case of eczema too if you can believe it. My skin can feel tight and dry even underneath all the oil.
I have cetaphil lotion, which does well for me, but I was wondering if there was a lotion that would keep the exfoliation looking fresh, I'm guess I'm asking for something that moisturizes but still has an exfoliant quality.
Thanks, any input is greatly appreciated |
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:51 pm |
I had peeling from starting Retin A last winter, and the thing that helped my skin recover was La Roche-Posay Cicaplast, a healing ointment that's marketed as a post-peel treatment. That might work, or maybe something bland like a hyaluronic acid serum or Cerave that your skin is already used to. HA serum may be good, because dry and oily could mean your skin has trouble holding onto water, which HA would help it do.
For maintenance, I'd try something like Paula's Choice 8% AHA gel, or the big guns: Retin A (ask your derm if it's appropriate for you). RA has reduced my oiliness, yet made it plump and moist, because RA stimulates HA and collagen production.
Hope this helps. |
_________________ 30-ish, sensitive fair skin, oily and acne-prone, faded freckles; tretinoin since Oct 2010 |
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Nanaki1125
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:15 pm |
rockhugger wrote: |
I had peeling from starting Retin A last winter, and the thing that helped my skin recover was La Roche-Posay Cicaplast, a healing ointment that's marketed as a post-peel treatment. That might work, or maybe something bland like a hyaluronic acid serum or Cerave that your skin is already used to. HA serum may be good, because dry and oily could mean your skin has trouble holding onto water, which HA would help it do.
For maintenance, I'd try something like Paula's Choice 8% AHA gel, or the big guns: Retin A (ask your derm if it's appropriate for you). RA has reduced my oiliness, yet made it plump and moist, because RA stimulates HA and collagen production.
Hope this helps. |
Thank you so much for the information post! Is there any HA serum you recommend in particular? |
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:39 pm |
Eczema is an inflammatory condition where the skin barrier is failing, the dehydration is secondary. Excess sebum production can be related to systemic inflammation, the skin trying to protect itself from chemical onslaught or dehydration. Sounds silly but are you sure all you have is eczema (atopic dermatitis), not seborrhoeic dermatitis or contact dermatitis as well? Understanding of the structure and function of the stratus corneum, and how this barrier can fail or be repaired has changed a good deal since many of us were diagnosed. Can I ask why you are choosing to exfoliate with acids, and with glycolic in particular? Exfoliating with most acids can worsen dermatitis by drying your skin out and further damaging the barrier.
Good moisturisers include CeraVe (contains the balance of lipids found in the stratus corneum), Weleda Baby calendula face cream (lanolin for lipids, plus healing calendula), or a product containing the skin's water-based Natural Moisturising Factors (urea, lactic acid, amino acids) such as Eucerin. Both urea and lactic acid are suited to eczematous, dry or dehydrated skin types and exfoliate as they hydrate. IMO Cetaphil is not the best choice, it will act as a barrier but derrmatology has moved on apace since the range was formulated.
Unfortunately the regular MW hyaluronic acid cannot penetrate the skin, so it can sit on the surface drawing water out! This is more likely where the skin barrier is breached or in very dry climates. Ditto aloe vera gel, tho my skin - atopic eczema/ contact dermatitis - loves AV or HA when mixed in the hand with olive squalane (another skin-similar lipid) or the Weleda cream right before applying. It absolutely will not tolerate daily acids, so I very gently exfoliate between lactic acid peels with my regular lotion cleanser and a muslin cloth.
As or more relevant than your moisturiser is your cleansing product - now, but even more so if you do go ahead with a peel. Are you using a product that contains alkaline soaps, sulphate surfactants or other irritants? Do you allow shampoo, shower gel or toothpaste residues to contact your eczema, even the bubbles? Lastly are are you consistently meeting or exceeding all your government's recommendations for healthy eating? Foods such as oily fish, fruit and veg are anti-inflammatory and supply the nutrients needed to repair skin. Many other fats, sugar and white/ refined carbs are pro inflammatory.
HTH! |
_________________ Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Nanaki1125
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:02 am |
Firefox7275 wrote: |
Eczema is an inflammatory condition where the skin barrier is failing, the dehydration is secondary. Excess sebum production can be related to systemic inflammation, the skin trying to protect itself from chemical onslaught or dehydration. Sounds silly but are you sure all you have is eczema (atopic dermatitis), not seborrhoeic dermatitis or contact dermatitis as well? |
To be honest with you, I'm not sure. I've had skin problems for as long as I can remember. I have always had very, very dry skin to the point that it's cracked and bled in the winter time. In the summertime I get plagued with uncomfortable itchiness---feels like little stings are all over me, skin turns red, then underneath my clothes (I guess where it's a higher concentration of heat) I'd get these huge welt/itchy bumps that resemble large mosquito bites. Nothing was biting me though. This problem was worse when I was a child, but I still have bouts of it now. Needless to say I love the winter because my skin doesn't suffer from the "stings". I went to dermatologist on and off during my lifetime and every time I could never get one to listen much to what I was saying and they all seem to say the same thing "you have severe eczema and allergies, I'm prescribing triamcinolone and cetaphil". Any relief I've found for my issues, it's always been on my own through trial and error.
Firefox7275 wrote: |
Understanding of the structure and function of the stratus corneum, and how this barrier can fail or be repaired has changed a good deal since many of us were diagnosed. Can I ask why you are choosing to exfoliate with acids, and with glycolic in particular? Exfoliating with most acids can worsen dermatitis by drying your skin out and further damaging the barrier. |
When I drink water it goes right through me. It doesn't matter how much or how long I drink it, my body doesn't seem to want to absorb it unless it's mixed with something else. If I drink green tea, or Crystal Light---something of that nature, I'll hold the water, but just straight water?--Yea I have an issue with it, not sure why. Needless to say I keep cracked lips and such and very, very dry hair as well. Sooo annoying. I have tried to look into supplements that help. One time I was taking Vitamin E regularly. It seemed to help me stay hydrated/lubricated from within. Also flaxseed oil seemed to help as well (when I was taking it). I've recently started taking a hyaluronic acid supplement from Puritan's Pride and it doesn't seem to help me at all. In fact I feel as if I'm "drier" than before.
Firefox7275 wrote: |
Good moisturisers include CeraVe (contains the balance of lipids found in the stratus corneum), Weleda Baby calendula face cream (lanolin for lipids, plus healing calendula), or a product containing the skin's water-based Natural Moisturising Factors (urea, lactic acid, amino acids) such as Eucerin. Both urea and lactic acid are suited to eczematous, dry or dehydrated skin types and exfoliate as they hydrate. IMO Cetaphil is not the best choice, it will act as a barrier but derrmatology has moved on apace since the range was formulated. |
So, do you think lactic acid peels are better? It was suggested to me by an instructor that lactic acid peels were good for wrinkles, sagging, stretch marks, oily skin and ingrown hairs. I have all the above. *sighs*
Firefox7275 wrote: |
the regular MW hyaluronic acid cannot penetrate the skin, so it can sit on the surface drawing water out! This is more likely where the skin barrier is breached or in very dry climates. Ditto aloe vera gel, tho my skin - atopic eczema/ contact dermatitis - loves AV or HA when mixed in the hand with olive squalane (another skin-similar lipid) or the Weleda cream right before applying. It absolutely will not tolerate daily acids, so I very gently exfoliate between lactic acid peels with my regular lotion cleanser and a muslin cloth. |
What is does MW and AV mean? And this olive squalane you speak of, where can I find this? Lotion cleanser....something like Philosophy Purity made simple?
Firefox7275 wrote: |
As or more relevant than your moisturiser is your cleansing product - now, but even more so if you do go ahead with a peel. Are you using a product that contains alkaline soaps, sulphate surfactants or other irritants? Do you allow shampoo, shower gel or toothpaste residues to contact your eczema, even the bubbles? Lastly are are you consistently meeting or exceeding all your government's recommendations for healthy eating? Foods such as oily fish, fruit and veg are anti-inflammatory and supply the nutrients needed to repair skin. Many other fats, sugar and white/ refined carbs are pro inflammatory |
Well...as far as shampoo and conditioners go, I use Say Yes to Carrots shampoo and conditioner and some days I use Wen Pomegranate cleansing conditioner. I have very thick, curly hair, which lacks moisture of any sort it seems. Lately here though, my hair has been snapping more than normal, has been more unruly and it appears to be thinning---that's another thing that prompted me into trying to do something about my external appearance---you know, before I lose everything that makes me appealing lol. Toothpaste is Colgate Whitening and yes sometimes it gets on my chin, upper lip ect, especially when I'm in a rush in the mornings lol.
No I do not eat as healthy as I should, and I don't have much faith in the governments food pyramid to be honest, any entity that advocates a human child or adult drink cow milk and have as many servings of refined foods as our does has gained my distrust. That said, I do know that the white refined sugars, flours ect. are bad for me---unfortunately those ingredients seem to be the most ubiquitous in snacks and popular foods in general (which I do buy a lot of), so I don't take the steps to avoid them like I should. I need a whole lifestyle overhaul or an intervention even.
I apologize for such a long post on my end. Thanks so much for the helpful advice. I do look forward to your response. |
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:01 am |
IMO review your diet before you start a destructive skincare regime. There are many who have reduced or even eliminated asthma, dermatitis, hayfever and topical allergies largely with diet modification. I said "meet or exceed" because I don't have my nutrition clients go exactly by the Plate of Good Heath (UK food pyramid equivalent), I pick and adjust according to the research. If you can I would suggest a referral to a registered dietician because it is likely you have chronic deficiencies or perhaps undiagnosed absorption issues, but I would be happy to help you with the basics if you would like.
I don't see cow's dairy as any different to eating a hen's egg or whole sea fish - research supports the benefits and it is an excellent source of protein as well as calcium. Calcium is important for muscle contraction, skin membrane and barrier repair and strong hair not just bones. It is fine to avoid dairy but you MUST replace this with a calcium-rich alternative. Your government does have guidance on vegetarian and vegan diets as well as an omnivorous one. AFAIK they do not advise you eat refined foods, the percentage of wholegrains recommended is a minimum not a maximum. There are plenty of low glycaemic index wholegrains, root vegetables and beans or lentils you can swap in if you prefer to avoid, say, wheat. These are important sources of fibre and minerals.
Flaxseed oil is a good source of short chain omega-3s, however the conversion rate to the useable long chain format is only ~10%. Far better sources are oily fish or a marine algae supplement with a high percentage of DHA and EPA (the essential long chain O-3s). Omega-3s are critical to the health of every cell in the body, they are incorporated into the membranes and help it hold water and function effectively as a barrier. The balance of O-3 to omega-6 and saturated fats in the diet is critical, unfortunately O-6 and sat fats are present in most snack processed foods. Sugary and salty foods can all be dehydrating and, again, present in most snack and processed foods. Is the Puritan's Pride a regular MW (molecular weight) or low MW hyaluronic acid supplement?
AV = aloe vera. What do you mean by an instructor? IMO lactic acid peels are much safer for someone with issues like ours; lactic acid is naturally found in the skin so it's less likely to cause a negative reaction and can actually help hydrate. Olive squalane can be purchased on eBay or from most suppliers of natural essential and carrier oils. Be sure not to accidentally purchase squalene, which is different. For gentle natural skincare Weleda contains only a small number of ingredients and often gets positive reviews. My reactive skin is loving the lanolin in the baby calendula range, but they also have a sweet almond oil series for very sensitive skin and three ranges for ageing skin. http://usa.weleda.com/our-products/index.aspx
I am not familiar with Philosophy but thinking of you avoiding anything that foams as these can dry and irritate skin, and ideally anything with long ingredients lists as it becomes impossible to know what triggers a reaction.
For cracked lips Lanolips is incredible (you may have to order from overseas) plus switching out your commercial toothpaste for a natural one without sulphate surfactants - I like Aloe Dent but you may have other brands more easily available. Most commercial lip balms are based on petroleum jelly/ mineral oil which are cheap, form a barrier but do not nourish the skin like lanolin or shea butter. You could try the olive squalane on your lips, I know others have with some success. |
_________________ Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:39 pm |
I was just reading an article on this the other day. It was suggested that the best moisturiser to apply right after the peel is a natural based moisturiser.
And I think it could be right. I had a glycolic peel at the salon last week, and the beautician told me to use my lactic acid products right after. Oh boy..it literally burns.
I switched to my Trilogy natural moisturiser just for couple days to calm my skin down, and my skin was very happy. |
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Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:32 am |
I posted this in another reply lately and want to reiterate. Aloe vera is an amazing substance that heals skin amazingly. I would rub directly onto skin. Oatmeal is also a great skin-calmer and you can use it as a cleanser. Grind up the oatmeal in a coffee grinder, mix with a little water and rub gently onto face. Does not scratch or irritate and really helps skin heal. |
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Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:04 am |
Emu oil really helps with inflammation and irritation. Organic avocado oil is good, too. |
_________________ Best, Jeannine (40s, fair skin, hazel eyes, sensitive skin). To fight the dread lemming sickness, I promise not to rave about a product until I have used it for a long while. |
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